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Falous's avatar

Quite agreed.

On the footnote: "the anti-Westernism that has always animated far-left movements is an unspoken but important motivating force behind the movement."

Have from my RnEnergy investment seat exactly the same deep sense the radical greens, de-growthers are broadly essentially old-wine in new bottles, basically retreading much of the 70s red factions. (oddly a lot of current econo-political is feeling very mid-late 70s thanks to oil crisis rerun as farce [hehe Marx ref])

Generally I find the phrases "Global South" and "Global North" to be signals of that - stupid phrases and generally i think reviving the old 70s style Tiers Mondisme (old wine, new bottles). One sees is in how the same factions decry EU and national governments talking of moving aid to developing economies to more trade and investment basis.

In re Europe and falling behind: it seems to be Krugman has fallen deep into punditism.

Draghi's critique and propositions if one looks at what EU is facing relative to the fading of the old core industrial base - and laggardism both in modernisation and in realising they need to jump into the electrification economy innovation focus post-haste, runs deep in EU industry (not as ideological as US side but maybe more dangerously social and industrial DNA rigidities: US I tihnk the Trump moment is getting a bit of sour medicine as a potentially useful cure).

More Draghi application faster is badly needed.

Shane O'Mara's avatar

"The EU is the only government that has shown much interest in degrowth." It’s not a government! And this contradicted immediately by the Draghi report. No government in Europe wants degrowth: quite the opposite. The policy debates in the UK, Germany et al are about getting growth. The Greeks among others had degrowth during great financialcrisis, and have turned their economy around. And Poland? Wow. Any government that makes their people poorer won't survive.

It occurs to me that much of the wealth they're talking about appropriating, uh, doesn't exist because you can only get it when you crystallize it. And, uh, if you were to attempt to crystallize all of that wealth simultaneously, its value would go to nothing because, uh, wealth is as much about anticipating the future, i.e., a flow concept, as it is a stock concept in the present. And who is going to pay any attention to it if it's going to be appropriated? It'll disappear. It'll be like a Dutch tulip.

These guys are all economists at some point at somewhere That at some point they must know this is all fantasy. That their numbers don't work, that they're repudiating history, common sense, economic thinking, everything.

We're in one weird trick territory. I guess Katya Hoyer's Behind the Wall GDR seems to be their ideal society.

(PS: I don't want my work week cut in two!)

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