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Gunpowder as a technology was brought with the Mongols to Europe.

In addition, you should read a book by Tonio Andrade called "The Gunpowder Age" which goes into why the Europeans, despite getting gunpowder later, were able to build the best cannons and guns.

His basic thesis is that Europe had terrible walls in comparison to China and this caused China to not develop the gun type weapons earlier.

Chinese walls in the year 200 AD were, as a matter of course, 5 to 10 meters wide, of a similar height, with a trapezoidal cross section made by stacking pounded earth and then cladding the outside in stone.

When gunpowder first appeared in the 800's, it could do nothing to these walls. Short of digging under the walls and blowing them up, gunpowder weapons were too weak to do anything to the walls that they already had had for a thousand years.

So they developed a lot of incendiary and grenade type anti personnel weapons, but not many cannons type weapons. Remember it took the biggest cannon ever produced to knock down the Theodosian walls around Constantinople... And those walls were about as thick as the walls around several dozen Chinese cities.

When gunpowder got to europe, it was a different story.

There were a lot of castles and walls that had walls that were 1 to 3 feet thick and made of stacked stones. Really weak, crude cannons could knock them down easily. And they did. So Europeans started working on the cannons to knock down all the legacy fortifications they had. This caused them to iterate and develop them further. Add in their use on ships, and Europe had an incentive to work on fast, accurate, high velocity guns.

When the Europeans had to develop new walls to resist cannons, the innovation was the star fort. These were carefully designed walls with angles to avoid presenting an enemy with a direct perpendicular shot. In addition, their walls had a squat trapezoidal cross secton and we're built out of packed earth clad with stone. The walls that the Europeans developed to stop gunpowder were similar in construction to the walls the Chinese had been building since before gunpowder was invented.

It was these fortifications and the accompanying cannons that enabled the Europeans to successfully place forts around the world and resist efforts by local kingdoms, that often outnumbered them by orders of magnitude.

The argument is oversimplified here, hut it's a great book.

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Benjamin's avatar

When talking about drones, these two facts should not go unmentioned:

- Ukraine is currently producing more combat drones than both Russia and all NATO countries combined (about 4 million, growing fast).

- And the drone supply chain in Ukraine is already highly local and becoming more so by the day; China plays an ever-smaller role.

If free countries want to learn, Ukraine is who they can learn from.

Read more:

- https://jamestown.org/ukraine-leads-world-in-drone-innovation-and-production/

- https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2025/04/08/ukraine-is-making-fpv-drones-without-chinese-parts-and-at-lower-cost/

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