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I actually think the real determinant will be geography. It's not just India that matters here. I strongly suspect it will be 'The Entire World' vs 'China'

We have that China has an attack vector aimed at all of its neighbours: Vietnamn, Thailand, The Phillipines, Indonesia, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, and so forth. However, the USA has no attack vectors aimed at any of these countries! Being the far away power.

This means that the rational realist approach for any of these nations is to ally with the United States.

The USA can not threaten the sovereignty of any of these nations the way that China can. Which means they will ally with the USA. Furthermore the USA has proved to uphold international law over the past 60 years or so which allowed these nations to trade freely and they do not know if China will allow them to do the same.

History matters here too, China has invaded many of these countries dozens of times in the past already. And none of them were very happy about that. China already has border disputes with basically all of their neighbours: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

Some of these nations will try to balance for as long as they and can as I suspect Indonesia will. But if push comes to shove they will ally with the USA.

Due to the USA (And perhaps ultimately the Dutch) creating the current structure of the global liberal word order China is checkmated at the outset because of where all the attack vectors point at. China will undoubtedly try to invade Taiwan, but strongly suspect it will find itself with no allies besides a weak ally in Russia.

I suspect we will have hot proxy conflicts with in total a few million dead the coming decade, and with near certainty we will have navy battles in the Indo-Pacific for a while but I think due to the structure of the international system and nuclear weapons we won't have a WW3.

The global liberal order is indeed dead. The world is multipolar now and you will find a rise in illiberal nationalism in all of the western world (as is already happening(and this is rational btw)), Israel is an apartheid state (and we will continue to support Israel), and you will see China spend all of its energy to carve out it's own block in this world. They will try, and we will try, but we'll mostly end up on top.

(Also 85% of the world's trade is done in dollars and the Ukraine war didn't change this)

We should still manufacture all of the important things as much as possible of course.

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California is building lithium extraction operations for US batteries:

https://www.enr.com/articles/58102-groundbreaking-lithium-extraction-plant-launches-in-california

It will need to be protected against drones and missiles the way Israel was today. Fortunately, it is close to US Air Force bases, so as threats materialize, it will not require too much adjustment to defend it.

For the 2024 election, Ukraine hitting Russian oil targets is problematic, because it causes inflation, which US voters get furious about. But it’s a very important illustration of the weakness in the new Axis.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-strikes-may-have-hit-15-russian-refinery-capacity-nato-official-2024-04-04/

This year, EVs are predicted to be 13% of new vehicle sales in the US:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46340514/ev-sales-are-just-getting-started/

If oil supplies get disrupted by war, this number can ramp up very rapidly. GM has got a handle on EV production finally, and cheaper models will appear later this year:

https://apnews.com/article/bba3a9cbbd2aad0953cbc113e53d041c

Starting a war with the New Allies would be bad business for China. Selling $15K EVs in the US would destroy our auto industry, which would make us weaker in a war. But it would take a few years, so China would have to wait.

Then again, both Biden and Trump know $15K EVs will destroy the US auto industry (and our economy for several years), so neither are likely going to let China sell them here. Dangling a carrot in the grey area could both keep US auto-makers in business and delay China’s plans for war.

The New Allies are very big markets for Chinese goods and EVs. They would lose those very rapidly.

Russia is not going to switch to EVs: its grid sucks, it is giant, and it’s got lots of oil, which it will keep trying to use, even as Ukraine keeps blowing their facilities up.

India may have a hard time weaning itself from cheap Chinese EVs, but it is developing its own EV industry:

https://restofworld.org/2024/e-rickshaw-yc-electric-india/

In a few years, it should be less dependent.

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