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James Borden's avatar

Possible objection is that BAD information is cheap and GOOD information is expensive. It is easy for people to have access to information that supports their already-existing vibes but difficult for people to get information about issues with a lot of complex moving parts. Sources of bad information may also work overtime to discredit the good information sources.

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I think it's perfectly plausible to spend a week in a CBD of a city which contains millions of people and come away with a sense of it being extremely clean and its streets safe at night, but this is an experience I have had all over the world.

The sense I always got about Chinese cities is that there is a level of cleanliness evident when the effort is taken in very specific places, but that there is also a level of disrepair and dinginess that can usually be found an extremely short distance away if you walk the right direction. It built for me the sense of three Chinas; the first China is Future China, the pre-depreciation China that you mention. It feels like next year. Big city CBDs felt this way, Hong Kong felt this way. The second China is Yesterday China, which is post-depreciation China that you can experience outside the inner ring roads. It feels like a shabby industrial city that someone is maybe trying to do urban renewal on, or maybe someone tried and it really didn't take off. Kunming and Fuzhou felt like this to me outside of a very restricted area. The third China is 1960 China, where you begin to really have the sense that you are in a nation with 1/3 the income of a Western one. This is what you experience if you travel between cities of any type and stop for any reason. I feel like travelers are likely to only glimpse the second China and not even have any contact at all with the third, especially if they are traveling there for conferences or the information economy. If you travel there for industry you will have a lot of contact with the other Chinas.

The feeling I got the first time I went to big Chinese cities was "this city is so Chinese", and then by the time I came back through after experiencing the central mainland, especially the industrial third tier cities, was "an extensive veneer of modernity has been put on top of this place."

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