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While I don’t necessarily disagree with anything in this post, I moved to Tokyo from the US and for me life is much better even with a lower salary. I don’t need a car which saves me a lot of money, and my commute is relaxing and stress-free since I don’t have to deal with traffic. My apartment is small but it has everything I need. In the US most of my house was unnecessary space. I can walk to hundreds of restaurants within 10 minutes and food is cheap enough that I can eat out for every meal if I want. I don’t have to spend time at the gym because I can stay in shape through normal daily activity here. I can walk around day or night and feel safe and never be hassled by the homeless, mentally ill, or drug addicts.

So while Japan does have problems, most things have been moving in the right direction. Working hours have been decreasing, gender equality has been increasing, etc. If the economy can get better it will be a near-perfect place to live. Whereas I feel the US has been getting worse. The politics and culture are terrible, and to get Japan-level cities and transit would require bulldozing much of the country and starting over from scratch. I’m always shocked when I visit the US at how bad the cities and infrastructure are. It definitely feels much poorer than Japan despite it being richer on paper.

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I wanted to say some things about the "dense city, walkable cities, no car cities, etc", since it is a topic of so many posts.

Of course I get what you mean when you praise denser cities, public transit, etc., but I live in one of those extremely praised "big walkable european cities blablabla", but I'm not born there, I'm from a smaller city, so I experienced both a more car centric and a more transit centric city. The transit is VERY modern and well developed (subway station every 1km that brings you anywhere in the city), buses/trams literally everywhere, etc.

One thing to note is that I own a car even in the bigger city where I live because you rapidly discover how longer trips, usually are exponentially (yeah ok, not really exponentially) faster with a car compared to public transport. If you live 100 meters away from a subway station, work 15 mins away from your house, and can use the subway to cover 90% of your trip to work using the subway then yeah, that's great, better than using the car.

But that's not the case for everyone, I know many people that have to do 1 hour or 1 and 1/2 hour trips to go to work and would do the same route in 30-40 minutes using a car (because you know, there are no intermediate stops).

If you want to go outside the city for the weekend, the advantage of the car becomes even clearer.

Yes, a 21 yo student can bear all of this and maybe he doesn't even notice certain things, but when you grow up or have a family, you notice all of this.

In fact where I live now it's damn full of cars, there is an excellent public transport (that I exclusively used for 2 years), but its FULL of cars. A ton of people have cars here.

I'm serious that you need a car anyway, even if your city has good public transport.

I would do 1/3 of the things without a car, expecially weekend trips, because it would be a nightmare relying only on public transit and trains.

In fact you can see that car ownership for major european countries is just like 10-20% less than american's, not that big of a difference considered that enormous geographical differences.

Sometime when I read this "omg paris/barcelona is literally heaven on earth" by some americans it's like you're reporting stuff from a place that doesn't exist. Even here, people dream of a good salary, a nice house and a nice car. Yes, a nice car, I mean, in many western european countries there's a huge culture and passion around cars, and in fact super-high car ownership rates, how the hell it is spreading the idea that we are somewhat anti-car here, or that it is an american thing lol.

A nice car is still a life goal for the vast majority of people here, for cultural and practical reasons.

Also, you can trust me that one thing I've never heard in my entire life is "wow, my dream is to live in a tiny shitty apartment that costs 700k in a horrible 12-storey building, in a dense walkable city where I have to use the bus at 1.30 am, along with junkies and weirdos (yeah I don't know where you got that info, but many european big cities and especially their public transit are ABSOLUTELY not safe by night)".

Nobody says that, the vast majority of people dreams of a good salary, a nice house and NOT living in a big city because of the way you're forced to live if you don't earn 10k per month (small and pricey houses, forced to use the public transit to go everywhere, etc.).

I think that there are good reasons to want to live in single houses and to have denser more walkable cities, I'm just saying it's not all pros, there are also cons to that.

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