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DxS's avatar

It's not that plunder let Western Europe get better technology, but that technology let Western Europe seize more plunder.

Premodern nations everywhere imposed tribute or took slaves from or just conquered weaker states. Europeans were no different. But modern guns, ships, and financing let Europe do to the whole world what people like the Aztecs or Manchus had only been able to do to their neighbors.

It's not like Spain needed American colonies to develop guns and ships and bankers. It's the other way around: by the 1500s, Spain already had superior enough tech to conquer Mexico and Peru with tiny bands of well-timed conquistadors. The technology came first, and made the great plundering possible.

We forget, now, how much technology had already advanced in Europe by 1800, or even by 1500. It wasn't important for everyday standards of living yet, so it doesn't show in per capita income charts. But if you lived in London or Amsterdam of 1700, or even Florence of 1500, you were in a city decked with engineers and manufacturers who could sell you things that nobody could buy in India or China or the Americas. That technology wasn't making ordinary peasants better off yet, but it was already reshaping long-distance travel, and business – and war.

Ironically, the same technology that enabled so much plundering was making it unimportant. A rich ancient Roman was rich because he had many slaves working for him; conquest, and the extreme inequality that followed it, really was essential for wealth. But today we're rich because we own machines, not because we subjugate our neighbors. In fact free neighbors are worth more to us than slaves, because free neighbors are much more productive.

Capitalist growth, that leftists want to credit to plunder, is just what's made plunder no longer an important part of our world.

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1) We need to be more honest that after Britain industrialized, most other countries got richer through utilizing IP from richer countries, reverse engineering, and then improving it. In the 18th century, Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton, endorsed stealing British inventions, reverse engineering them, and then make American versions. In 1791, the American government paid $48 ($1561 in 2023 money) to English industrialists to replicate inventions for the American market. That's how the North in the U.S. became industrialized before American became on the frontier of innovation itself. While the South was just exporting cash crops like cotton. Germany, Japan, and South Korea got rich the same way. Now China is getting rich that in the same way.

https://yawboadu.substack.com/p/5-answers-to-questions-you-may-have

2) We now have a few (but not many) examples of former Vassals/colonies that surpass the metropole. Those former colonies/vassals got richer or became as rich either through winning the natural resource lottery with a small population (UAE or Qatar beating UK with having a lot of oil & gas), ingenuity and finding advantages, hardwork and etc. (Taiwan and South Korea are now equal or higher on a per capita ppp basis to Japan the former colonial master, Singapore > UK, Macau, through becoming a gambling state > Portugal), and of course US and Canada > UK or Poland & Baltic states > Russia.

3)I think it's obvious that the industrial revolution came from the continuation of manufacturing advances that Persian, Turkish, Mughal, Omani, Ming & Ching, and even perhaps even the Moroccan and more advanced African empires (Kongo, Songhay, etc.) made. The Europeans managed to trade with ALL of them, so the Europeans just continued their ideas and advance them with by developing an economic system that rewards risking capital (Dutch invented stock market) and values strong property rights protection British. Even in the 18th century, most of the world was basically feudalistic society with a King that abused property rights. Since that feudalism was dead in Western Europe since the bubonic plague, they were the first to end that type of society and make a new one. Meanwhile in Africa, Ethiopia, the only nation that avoided colonialization, was a feudalistic society where the Monarch controlled most of industry and the nobles discouraged some innovation to protect their wealth. Ethiopians were poorer than Congolese (which had a horrific colonial history with King Leopold and Belgians) until 2008.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GNP.PCAP.CD?locations=ET-CD

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