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James Borden's avatar

I agree having only half read the post. If wealthy donors want to contribute to society they can give money for scholarships for brilliant people who could not otherwise afford or think about a high-quality university. Please also read Michelle Goldberg on last week's hearing every word of which I agree with. (Marginally related I have learned an hour ago how good the University of Sao Paulo really is.)

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I still give money to my school (which has a large endowment and admits lots of rich kids) because they gave me very generous financial aid that allowed me to attend way back when. Most of the kids I hung out with back then also had big aid packages (sometimes they were so poor they got living stipends as well). I got a good education there (yes- I know I could have gotten the same nearly anywhere if I selected the right courses and profs) and I feel it is only fair that I sponsor modest scholarships for students today (but there is no way I would give them a building- even if I had the money to do so).

One thing the large schools still do is give large grants to poorer students. Some of this is due to discriminatory pricing - charging rich kids a high price so that it can be nearly free for the middle class and the poor, but for many of the top schools nearly half of the entering classes are receiving substantial financial aid. This is a good thing. One of the aid recipients I helped sponsor was the son of an illegal immigrant from S Korea. The dad owned a convenience store and had two kids. The deal was he could only afford to pay for one tuition at a time, so the kids took turns going to school for a year and then working at the store for a year (until they were able to transfer into schools that gave them big aid packages - most state schools do not- maybe that supports Noah’s argument for bigger gifts to state schools).

As to that list of state and community schools giving the most bang for the buck, I am guessing that for the NY and CA schools it is Asian kids that are responsible for the outperformance rather than the school itself. The Asian kids who would have been able to get into better schools if they still admitted students based upon test scores. The ones the Ivies discriminate against. Probably immigrant kids (Latinos) driving the Texas results as well.

Maybe the best bang for the charity buck in education is not at the university level but in primary and secondary education- providing a safe environment focused on learning and preparation for the middle class and poor kids with high potential.

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