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Matthew's avatar

This is a great post but Musk doesn't read the column.

Now, some follow up.

I think you are imputing too much faith in the Anti DEI justification for torching federal research.

Republicans and corporate aligned people have been hostile to basic science since it was white men in white coats saying, "Actually, nicotine is addictive and smoking kills". Anthropogenic climate change has been widely scientifically accepted since the 1980s and well funded efforts to deny/discredit the science have been around since then too. It goes even older than that with religious authorities, mostly on the right trying to discredit research saying that people evolved or the earth is billions of years old.

Reagan didn't pull Carter's solar panels off the white house because of DEi programs in 2005.

The "Why did those awful DEI people make the Right do this" tone of the piece is thus a bit overblown.

It was a useful bit of overreach that provided the Right an opening to enact an agenda that has been going on for decades.

As you do read Scott Alexander and are probably familiar with Elizier Yudkowsky, I wanted to leave a quote which I think is more reflective of Trump/Musk's actual purpose. (Though some left people have this pathology as well)

"Lies propagate, that's what I'm saying. You've got to tell more lies to cover them up, lie about every fact that's connected to the first lie. And if you kept on lying, and you kept on trying to cover it up, sooner or later you'd even have to start lying about the general laws of thought.

Like, someone is selling you some kind of alternative medicine that doesn't work, and any double-blind experimental study will confirm that it doesn't work. So if someone wants to go on defending the lie, they've got to get you to disbelieve in the experimental method. Like, the experimental method is just for merely scientific kinds of medicine, not amazing alternative medicine like theirs. Or a good and virtuous person should believe as strongly as they can, no matter what the evidence says. Or truth doesn't exist and there's no such thing as objective reality.

A lot of common wisdom like that isn't just mistaken, it's anti-epistemology, it's systematically wrong. Every rule of rationality that tells you how to find the truth, there's someone out there who needs you to believe the opposite. If you once tell a lie, the truth is ever after your enemy; and there's a lot of people out there telling lies."

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Robert Homer's avatar

I agree with Matthew that this is much deeper than DEI, which could be eliminated without gutting the entire enterprise. Authoritarians need to break any source of legitimacy other than their word and science does that in spades. You also left out that once the scientific edifice is broken, it would take decades if ever to build it back. I used to work at Bell Labs and I have worked for decades within the academic biomedical field. Every research field has many sub specialists not just in the knowledge but the skills in making things work. Once that is gone, it is gone.

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