Not to disagree with the overall point, because you're totally right that social class in American society is hugely complex, but I do think it's weird when people act like someone who makes $192,000 per year, or even $500,000 a year, is upper class. My take on it is that if you have to work for a living -- if you're not independently wealthy; if your material standard of living would significantly change if you could no longer work -- then you're not wealthy, period, even if your income is very very good. Having to work for a living is inherently precarious in that it can be dependent on circumstances mostly or completely beyond your control. Like if a high-income lawyer becomes seriously disabled to the point he can't practice law anymore, then in the absence of genuine, independent wealth, his standard of living is probably going to decline a great deal.
That's not to say that high-income professionals are necessarily in the same social class as your average K-12 teacher, but I do think it's fair to say that they're not in the same social class as Jeff Bezos, either. I really don't think most people who point to Jeff Bezos and say, "I'm not like him" are being disingenuous. You can lead a *very* comfortable life with a nice house and nice things and European vacations and still imagine not-farfetched circumstances that could ruin you. And as long as you can imagine not-farfetched circumstances that could ruin you, I think it's much easier to identify with people for whom economic precariousness is a part of life than with people forever insulated from that kind of pressure.
In other words, I think a big part of social class isn't just what you have or what you make, but who your interests align with. For the vast majority of us, that isn't the ultra-rich, and that's one reason I think it's useful to make a distinction between workers with high incomes and the truly wealthy.
My wife and I can make 192K a year. She works as a cashier at fast food restaurant.
I make 30K in the military retirement.
And I have a technician job inspecting power plants, the requires me to be on the road 220 days a year. But I can come close to doubling my salary with overtime.
We have seven kids between the two of us.
My house is a 3-bedroom 2100 sq feet built in 95.
If I lose my job we are fucked.
We are struggling, but would not consider myself upper class.
When I’m back home in Boise, my wife and I don’t have a single friend, or coworker that has a bachelors degree.
The thing about the cost of child-rearing is so important here. Matt Yglesias has been hammering on this in recent years.
We have a world where "inflation" has been tepid for years, but _parents_ feel cost-squeezed because healthcare, education, and housing have run WAY ahead of the headline overall-inflation numbers.
And yes, having kids or other dependents is a huge freaking deal, income-wise. My cousin is a nurse anesthetist and on paper makes a nice salary, but she has several kids to support and a stay-at-home husband. No one would say they're poor, but my (single, no kids) lifestyle is a lot more extravagant than theirs.
Yes, you have an excellent family income more than enough to pay the bills and perhaps the occasional holiday, but your real issue, is as you mentioned, just being one difficulty (job loss, illness accident) away form financial hardship. That's where I would focus my energies on, building a strong personal safety net. There's tons of resources (books, podcasts youtube videos blogs) out there that can show the most effective way of doing this.
True story. There was no amount of money that I wasn’t willing to sacrifice to get away from my ex-wife. I walked away with $50K in debt. No assets. Even had to cash out thrift savings.
I might of exaggerated in first post, I could easily get another job… would probably have to move.
My military pension basically pays my child support (I don’t resent it all through. Me and my ex-wife actually have a good relationship now).
However it means that my real effective income is 30K lower than on paper.
Child support and Alimony and Divorce are destroyers of wealth.
In the last 10-years since divorce, I’ve actually done well. I have effectively zero debt except 2.2K in mortgage and a 300 car payment (zero interest so I don’t pay off). (780-820 Credit score)
My savings could be better, but I will be ok. My kids turn 18 as I hit 60, so will get a big jump in income.
I would give us a B in finances.
I am probably an outlier though. My situation with pension and child support and a lot of fucking kids is probably not the norm.
On a side note. 8-girls. 1 son. Only one of my daughters has to marry rich for me to retire.
I disagree with this view. People who are making 192K are just about in the top 5% of the income distribution. They can afford things that large swathes of the population cannot. They can go on international vacations; they most likely have college degrees; they can invest in the stock market and save up large amounts of money for when they retire. They eat healthier foods than people who are poorer and are far more likely to be married. They live longer. If they lose their jobs, they have much more of a cushion than people lower down on the income distribution. People in the top 5% don't have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. They are less likely to have their jobs outsourced or automated. When the coronavirus came, people in the top 5% were much more likely to be able to work remotely, and much less likely to lose their jobs. And on and on. And this is just comparing with the poor in the US, who are quite wealthy by global standards. Nobody wants to be identified as rich because it isn't cool, but if you're in the top 5% or even the top 10%, you live in a bubble of privilege. At least have the common decency to admit it.
What about people who make $192K a year working overtime? I made $150K one year. But I worked like 3000 hours. (2080 is standard job).
I know quite a few people who earn 200K working overtime in the oil fields and in plants.
I’m not sure calling them privileged is really appropriate. These are not jobs that require college degrees. Just hard work, long hours and hard conditions.
All this comes down to extreme inequality (of income, wealth, social capital, and pretty much everything else) in the US. A society like Japan is much more middle-class and conformist because they can afford to be. I believe in Japan, the vast majority of households (nearly all households) have between $100K and $1M in net worth. In the US, a bigger percentage of the population has over $1M in net worth (than in Japan), but half have less than $100K in net worth, with a big percentage with zero or negative net worth. Japan now is essentially ‘50’s America.
Great post. I'd add two things. First, there's no class solidarity here in the US. Instead, we have racial solidarity. Second, I think a set of habits and values define the middle class. My friends and family are all rich--incomes healthy multiples of the median household income, seven figure portfolios--but we all still work hard (even in retirement), invest carefully, save in-order-to-pay-cash, live monogamously and soberly, and eschew buying trophy cars and such.
The lowest ranked bart train operators make $72-85K a year, not counting extremely generous benefits and overtime pay. The median household income in SF is only 87k a year, and the national median household income is 68k. The BART conductor is not, in any meaningful sense, working class. He has a government job with extensive benefits, ironclad job security, and extremely high pay for his level of education.
The blindness to the immense privileges they dollop out to government workers is one of the more irritating features of the modern left, and one that actively prevents the good government their vision of the future requires.
It all depends on how you define “working class”. You have contractors owning their own company, employing scores of people, worth millions identify as working class and railing against un-American/egghead/Commie/effete elites who screwed over God’s messenger Donald Trump.
A contractor who owns his own company, even if it's worth millions, is considerably closer to any sort of working class than a government employee who makes less, but is all but unfireable and knows it. He has, presumably, worked for a living, after all.
In the past year I think we've seen that there's a sharp distinction between people who can work remotely and those who can't. It definitely seems weird when software engineers try to relate to blue collar workers when we're not the same in many ways. (But only as a career. Certainly we can relate in other ways)
It'd be great to get a Japanese person's take on social class in Japan. For instance, what might the effect on social class be due to the population shrinking, or due to the way women are generally treated in Japanese society (particularly after they have children and are incentivized to leave the workforce)?
In general, it's an ethnically homogenous society with a stronger social safety net and much higher population density than the USA, so all those things will be factors: if people bump into each other on the street and subways and their kids go to school together, highlighting one's class differences in a society that values the group over the individual would be scandalous and potentially isolating. There is also a rural-urban divide, and a lot of factory work is done by non-Japanese immigrants who sometimes live in great poverty.
Anyways, yes, class in the USA is fascinating, and I'm always glad to read thoughtful pieces about it. Honestly, the superstar coastal metropolitan areas (NYC, the Bay Area, Seattle) are their own cosmos of class hierarchies.
There's also the generational wealth gap, and the implications that ensue. If a young family is making $500k in SF and trying to buy some ramshackle $2mm ranch home built in the 1950s but comes from parents who have nothing, and another family is making $200k in SF but has parents sitting on a couple houses and paying effectively no property taxes due to California Prop 13, how should we reason about their respective social classes? What really is implicit in social class in America, I wonder? Current family wealth, earning potential, connections to other people in social classes, couth.
You also make a great point about how race also greatly complicates categorizations of class.
As someone from 'Old England' living in SF, this whole subject is fascinating. Working in tech here I feel the same dissonance around class as I felt working in the back office of a bank in London. (The higher echelons of finance were a different world of course.) We were paid well, but there was more class diversity there than there was at the various Labour Party associated events I attended. Interns were always paid in the finance and consulting companies I worked at while the media / think tanks / political interns were paid poorly if at all so tended to be children of the well off or those who's parents had bought houses in London while it was still possible to do so on a normal salary.
The (charity fundraisers or 'chuggers' I met handing out flyers for a mayoral campaign in central London were much more similar in background to those I worked at in the bank back office than those I met at the political policy events. Mostly graduates, many immigrants. (The leafleting was organised by a union who were all much more representative than the politcal policy people.)
In San Francisco us technicians get paid an awful lot more. As a software engineer for one of the big Silicon Valley companies, our team around 40% immigrants, 30% non-white, 20% not graduates, and 10% women. Perhaps we should be part of the same class as crane operators in New York or harbor pilots in the SF Bay taking home similar mid six figure salaries. I'd probably look down on the boat dealer though, seems rather vulgar.
I'm just going to quibble with the phrase "unionized semi-skilled auto workers" -- operating efficiently on an auto assembly line is actually a pretty dang skilled trade. Even auto repair requires quite a bit of training, at least if you want to do more than the odd oil change. It's certainly something a smart college-educated person can teach themselves -- my spouse is a hobbyist auto nerd (and has a Master's in MechE from MIT). But I think we really need to get away from the idea that blue-collar trade work requires any less skill or training than high-skill "symbolic analyst" stuff.
Personally I'm tech support for Tesla industrial batteries. I know quite a bit about electrical systems. I was involved in the rollout of PowerWall, and I had a hand in sketching out the designs for my own personal PowerWall system. I'm legally an "electrically qualified person", and I have the training to be allowed to go muck around inside our battery cabinets. (Basically I have the stamp of approval that says I know how to not kill myself working around AC connections up to 13 kV, and our 900 VDC batteries.) And yet I still will hire an electrician to do any electrical work that is going to take more than maybe half an hour -- a real electrician has the skill to do stuff faster, and more neatly / efficiently, than what I'd do. Even if they just got trained at a community college, or through a union apprenticeship or something.
Two things: a huge division, one many would say is the second-biggest after race, is capitalist in the literal sense vs. worker in the literal sense. That is, a business owner vs. someone who has to earn labor income because they don't own businesses.
This matters for social perception, for behavior, and *hugely* for politics. And since politics is where we have to go to change anything related to social stratification, well. Not that the sheer amount of filthy lucre we each take in somehow *doesn't* matter, but yeah, Marx was right about that proletariat vs. petty bourgeoisie thing. The view of society is just different. The owners of Hobby Lobby might or might not have college degrees (and therefore one kind of status) but they literally have power over other people's reproduction that the SCOTUS gave them. I'm a BA holder, but I will never have that kind of power (God willing). This white petty bourgeoisie is where the real power in the US is. Bill Gates/Jeff Bezos/Mark Zuckerburg are three ridiculously wealthy white guys. The white petty bourgeoisie is tens of millions.
The second thing that goes along with this is that the US system(s) of social stratification are *so* complex that more than one view of them is entirely possible, and again, politics matters here. The right-wing can and did call a head surgeon at a major regional hospital "working class" because he was a white male from western Pennsylvania. Right-wing whites routinely say things such as "I don't consider teachers to be actual workers; they get government checks."
It is hard, for me as a white left-liberal, to have any fellow-feeling for that sort of person. The practical implication, furthermore, is that one broad political coalition is at least sort of trying to make things a bit more equal. The other likes this stratification unreservedly.
Is it very hard for a white BA-holder to really *see* and be in solidarity with POC working-class people? Yes. Is a liberal/left white BA-holder more likely to at least *try* to do so in the US than a white petty bougie? I would say also yes.
A) the idea that business owners don't need to work for a living is only a couple steps above kulak bashing.
B) Hobby lobby has no power over people's reproduction. They do (and should) have power over the benefits they choose to offer their employees, and employees do, and should have the power to accept those benefits or work elsewhere.
C) the idea that small business owners are the ones running america (and doing so in defiance of the BA holders) is absurd on its face. Your whole post just reeks of envy, it comes off like an english major complaining that the finance guys make more money despite never having read chaucer.
If you're interested/able, I'd be curious to see you elaborate more on this bit:
"But when you see top college graduates marry construction workers and food service workers show up to dinner parties with private equity people, you start to realize that the world doesn’t have to be the way it was in the place and time in which you grew up."
I don't know anything about class in Japan but that indeed sounds like a very different reality than the one I'm living in the US. Are there any books / studies / cultural writing you'd recommend that talk about e.g. how/if class stratification has changed in the US over time, or how class works in Japaan?
If you haven't done so already, Noah, I heartily recommend Paul Fussell's Class. Pushing nearly forty years old, specifics certainly will not have aged well, but the man himself makes for delightfully entertaining company. I'm going to dig up my copy this weekend...
Uh, which large corporations do you have experience with? Because I have seen a pretty big rise in the amount of healthcare costs covered by employees (instead of the employer).
And moving from DB to DC being better for workers is definitely debatable.
Japan has some of the lowest wealth inequality in the developed world by some metrics. In 2019, according to Credit Suisse in 2019, the richest 1% of Japanese people controlled 17.9% of private wealth.
Sci-fi rec: “The City & The City” by China Miéville. the people we walk past every day are in a different city in some metaphorical sense, but this is a book where it’s literally true. this isn’t magic or parallel worlds or whatever, just enforced by legal and social norms that keep the cities separate.
Wouldn’t say any of this makes us markedly different from any of the other places I’ve spent significant time in, either in Europe or Asia.
You are totally right that class is multidimensional though: otherwise terms like “hood-rich” and memes like “gender studies degree barista” wouldn’t exist.
Not to disagree with the overall point, because you're totally right that social class in American society is hugely complex, but I do think it's weird when people act like someone who makes $192,000 per year, or even $500,000 a year, is upper class. My take on it is that if you have to work for a living -- if you're not independently wealthy; if your material standard of living would significantly change if you could no longer work -- then you're not wealthy, period, even if your income is very very good. Having to work for a living is inherently precarious in that it can be dependent on circumstances mostly or completely beyond your control. Like if a high-income lawyer becomes seriously disabled to the point he can't practice law anymore, then in the absence of genuine, independent wealth, his standard of living is probably going to decline a great deal.
That's not to say that high-income professionals are necessarily in the same social class as your average K-12 teacher, but I do think it's fair to say that they're not in the same social class as Jeff Bezos, either. I really don't think most people who point to Jeff Bezos and say, "I'm not like him" are being disingenuous. You can lead a *very* comfortable life with a nice house and nice things and European vacations and still imagine not-farfetched circumstances that could ruin you. And as long as you can imagine not-farfetched circumstances that could ruin you, I think it's much easier to identify with people for whom economic precariousness is a part of life than with people forever insulated from that kind of pressure.
In other words, I think a big part of social class isn't just what you have or what you make, but who your interests align with. For the vast majority of us, that isn't the ultra-rich, and that's one reason I think it's useful to make a distinction between workers with high incomes and the truly wealthy.
I agree.
My wife and I can make 192K a year. She works as a cashier at fast food restaurant.
I make 30K in the military retirement.
And I have a technician job inspecting power plants, the requires me to be on the road 220 days a year. But I can come close to doubling my salary with overtime.
We have seven kids between the two of us.
My house is a 3-bedroom 2100 sq feet built in 95.
If I lose my job we are fucked.
We are struggling, but would not consider myself upper class.
When I’m back home in Boise, my wife and I don’t have a single friend, or coworker that has a bachelors degree.
The thing about the cost of child-rearing is so important here. Matt Yglesias has been hammering on this in recent years.
We have a world where "inflation" has been tepid for years, but _parents_ feel cost-squeezed because healthcare, education, and housing have run WAY ahead of the headline overall-inflation numbers.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/inflation-contrarians
Oh hey, I live in Boise!
And yes, having kids or other dependents is a huge freaking deal, income-wise. My cousin is a nurse anesthetist and on paper makes a nice salary, but she has several kids to support and a stay-at-home husband. No one would say they're poor, but my (single, no kids) lifestyle is a lot more extravagant than theirs.
*we are not struggling
Yes, you have an excellent family income more than enough to pay the bills and perhaps the occasional holiday, but your real issue, is as you mentioned, just being one difficulty (job loss, illness accident) away form financial hardship. That's where I would focus my energies on, building a strong personal safety net. There's tons of resources (books, podcasts youtube videos blogs) out there that can show the most effective way of doing this.
Good luck
There are YouTube videos on how to get out of child support?
LOL, when I read your comment my first thought was, divorce, the great destroyer of wealth. 😫
True story. There was no amount of money that I wasn’t willing to sacrifice to get away from my ex-wife. I walked away with $50K in debt. No assets. Even had to cash out thrift savings.
I might of exaggerated in first post, I could easily get another job… would probably have to move.
My military pension basically pays my child support (I don’t resent it all through. Me and my ex-wife actually have a good relationship now).
However it means that my real effective income is 30K lower than on paper.
Child support and Alimony and Divorce are destroyers of wealth.
In the last 10-years since divorce, I’ve actually done well. I have effectively zero debt except 2.2K in mortgage and a 300 car payment (zero interest so I don’t pay off). (780-820 Credit score)
My savings could be better, but I will be ok. My kids turn 18 as I hit 60, so will get a big jump in income.
I would give us a B in finances.
I am probably an outlier though. My situation with pension and child support and a lot of fucking kids is probably not the norm.
On a side note. 8-girls. 1 son. Only one of my daughters has to marry rich for me to retire.
I disagree with this view. People who are making 192K are just about in the top 5% of the income distribution. They can afford things that large swathes of the population cannot. They can go on international vacations; they most likely have college degrees; they can invest in the stock market and save up large amounts of money for when they retire. They eat healthier foods than people who are poorer and are far more likely to be married. They live longer. If they lose their jobs, they have much more of a cushion than people lower down on the income distribution. People in the top 5% don't have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. They are less likely to have their jobs outsourced or automated. When the coronavirus came, people in the top 5% were much more likely to be able to work remotely, and much less likely to lose their jobs. And on and on. And this is just comparing with the poor in the US, who are quite wealthy by global standards. Nobody wants to be identified as rich because it isn't cool, but if you're in the top 5% or even the top 10%, you live in a bubble of privilege. At least have the common decency to admit it.
What about people who make $192K a year working overtime? I made $150K one year. But I worked like 3000 hours. (2080 is standard job).
I know quite a few people who earn 200K working overtime in the oil fields and in plants.
I’m not sure calling them privileged is really appropriate. These are not jobs that require college degrees. Just hard work, long hours and hard conditions.
All this comes down to extreme inequality (of income, wealth, social capital, and pretty much everything else) in the US. A society like Japan is much more middle-class and conformist because they can afford to be. I believe in Japan, the vast majority of households (nearly all households) have between $100K and $1M in net worth. In the US, a bigger percentage of the population has over $1M in net worth (than in Japan), but half have less than $100K in net worth, with a big percentage with zero or negative net worth. Japan now is essentially ‘50’s America.
Great post. I'd add two things. First, there's no class solidarity here in the US. Instead, we have racial solidarity. Second, I think a set of habits and values define the middle class. My friends and family are all rich--incomes healthy multiples of the median household income, seven figure portfolios--but we all still work hard (even in retirement), invest carefully, save in-order-to-pay-cash, live monogamously and soberly, and eschew buying trophy cars and such.
Sounds upper-middle. Is it typical of upper-middle to eschew trophy purchases?
That's an excellent question. Dunno. What do you think?
Perhaps keeping up with the Joneses is about possessions for the middle class and about kids’ achievement for upper-middle?
Perhaps it’s my geo, but among my colleagues in tech and friends (mostly with advanced degrees), no one cares what you drive.
The lowest ranked bart train operators make $72-85K a year, not counting extremely generous benefits and overtime pay. The median household income in SF is only 87k a year, and the national median household income is 68k. The BART conductor is not, in any meaningful sense, working class. He has a government job with extensive benefits, ironclad job security, and extremely high pay for his level of education.
The blindness to the immense privileges they dollop out to government workers is one of the more irritating features of the modern left, and one that actively prevents the good government their vision of the future requires.
It all depends on how you define “working class”. You have contractors owning their own company, employing scores of people, worth millions identify as working class and railing against un-American/egghead/Commie/effete elites who screwed over God’s messenger Donald Trump.
A contractor who owns his own company, even if it's worth millions, is considerably closer to any sort of working class than a government employee who makes less, but is all but unfireable and knows it. He has, presumably, worked for a living, after all.
In the past year I think we've seen that there's a sharp distinction between people who can work remotely and those who can't. It definitely seems weird when software engineers try to relate to blue collar workers when we're not the same in many ways. (But only as a career. Certainly we can relate in other ways)
Totally. The ability to work from home has led to a large split in probable outcomes (economically, health-wise) for families in those buckets.
It'd be great to get a Japanese person's take on social class in Japan. For instance, what might the effect on social class be due to the population shrinking, or due to the way women are generally treated in Japanese society (particularly after they have children and are incentivized to leave the workforce)?
In general, it's an ethnically homogenous society with a stronger social safety net and much higher population density than the USA, so all those things will be factors: if people bump into each other on the street and subways and their kids go to school together, highlighting one's class differences in a society that values the group over the individual would be scandalous and potentially isolating. There is also a rural-urban divide, and a lot of factory work is done by non-Japanese immigrants who sometimes live in great poverty.
Anyways, yes, class in the USA is fascinating, and I'm always glad to read thoughtful pieces about it. Honestly, the superstar coastal metropolitan areas (NYC, the Bay Area, Seattle) are their own cosmos of class hierarchies.
There's also the generational wealth gap, and the implications that ensue. If a young family is making $500k in SF and trying to buy some ramshackle $2mm ranch home built in the 1950s but comes from parents who have nothing, and another family is making $200k in SF but has parents sitting on a couple houses and paying effectively no property taxes due to California Prop 13, how should we reason about their respective social classes? What really is implicit in social class in America, I wonder? Current family wealth, earning potential, connections to other people in social classes, couth.
You also make a great point about how race also greatly complicates categorizations of class.
As someone from 'Old England' living in SF, this whole subject is fascinating. Working in tech here I feel the same dissonance around class as I felt working in the back office of a bank in London. (The higher echelons of finance were a different world of course.) We were paid well, but there was more class diversity there than there was at the various Labour Party associated events I attended. Interns were always paid in the finance and consulting companies I worked at while the media / think tanks / political interns were paid poorly if at all so tended to be children of the well off or those who's parents had bought houses in London while it was still possible to do so on a normal salary.
The (charity fundraisers or 'chuggers' I met handing out flyers for a mayoral campaign in central London were much more similar in background to those I worked at in the bank back office than those I met at the political policy events. Mostly graduates, many immigrants. (The leafleting was organised by a union who were all much more representative than the politcal policy people.)
In San Francisco us technicians get paid an awful lot more. As a software engineer for one of the big Silicon Valley companies, our team around 40% immigrants, 30% non-white, 20% not graduates, and 10% women. Perhaps we should be part of the same class as crane operators in New York or harbor pilots in the SF Bay taking home similar mid six figure salaries. I'd probably look down on the boat dealer though, seems rather vulgar.
Why use a picture of my beautiful home town - Edinburgh, Scotland for a piece on America's social classes? Is it because we are one of the parents? :D
Why is there a photo of Edinburgh, Scotland in this article?
I'm just going to quibble with the phrase "unionized semi-skilled auto workers" -- operating efficiently on an auto assembly line is actually a pretty dang skilled trade. Even auto repair requires quite a bit of training, at least if you want to do more than the odd oil change. It's certainly something a smart college-educated person can teach themselves -- my spouse is a hobbyist auto nerd (and has a Master's in MechE from MIT). But I think we really need to get away from the idea that blue-collar trade work requires any less skill or training than high-skill "symbolic analyst" stuff.
Personally I'm tech support for Tesla industrial batteries. I know quite a bit about electrical systems. I was involved in the rollout of PowerWall, and I had a hand in sketching out the designs for my own personal PowerWall system. I'm legally an "electrically qualified person", and I have the training to be allowed to go muck around inside our battery cabinets. (Basically I have the stamp of approval that says I know how to not kill myself working around AC connections up to 13 kV, and our 900 VDC batteries.) And yet I still will hire an electrician to do any electrical work that is going to take more than maybe half an hour -- a real electrician has the skill to do stuff faster, and more neatly / efficiently, than what I'd do. Even if they just got trained at a community college, or through a union apprenticeship or something.
Two things: a huge division, one many would say is the second-biggest after race, is capitalist in the literal sense vs. worker in the literal sense. That is, a business owner vs. someone who has to earn labor income because they don't own businesses.
This matters for social perception, for behavior, and *hugely* for politics. And since politics is where we have to go to change anything related to social stratification, well. Not that the sheer amount of filthy lucre we each take in somehow *doesn't* matter, but yeah, Marx was right about that proletariat vs. petty bourgeoisie thing. The view of society is just different. The owners of Hobby Lobby might or might not have college degrees (and therefore one kind of status) but they literally have power over other people's reproduction that the SCOTUS gave them. I'm a BA holder, but I will never have that kind of power (God willing). This white petty bourgeoisie is where the real power in the US is. Bill Gates/Jeff Bezos/Mark Zuckerburg are three ridiculously wealthy white guys. The white petty bourgeoisie is tens of millions.
The second thing that goes along with this is that the US system(s) of social stratification are *so* complex that more than one view of them is entirely possible, and again, politics matters here. The right-wing can and did call a head surgeon at a major regional hospital "working class" because he was a white male from western Pennsylvania. Right-wing whites routinely say things such as "I don't consider teachers to be actual workers; they get government checks."
It is hard, for me as a white left-liberal, to have any fellow-feeling for that sort of person. The practical implication, furthermore, is that one broad political coalition is at least sort of trying to make things a bit more equal. The other likes this stratification unreservedly.
Is it very hard for a white BA-holder to really *see* and be in solidarity with POC working-class people? Yes. Is a liberal/left white BA-holder more likely to at least *try* to do so in the US than a white petty bougie? I would say also yes.
A) the idea that business owners don't need to work for a living is only a couple steps above kulak bashing.
B) Hobby lobby has no power over people's reproduction. They do (and should) have power over the benefits they choose to offer their employees, and employees do, and should have the power to accept those benefits or work elsewhere.
C) the idea that small business owners are the ones running america (and doing so in defiance of the BA holders) is absurd on its face. Your whole post just reeks of envy, it comes off like an english major complaining that the finance guys make more money despite never having read chaucer.
If you're interested/able, I'd be curious to see you elaborate more on this bit:
"But when you see top college graduates marry construction workers and food service workers show up to dinner parties with private equity people, you start to realize that the world doesn’t have to be the way it was in the place and time in which you grew up."
I don't know anything about class in Japan but that indeed sounds like a very different reality than the one I'm living in the US. Are there any books / studies / cultural writing you'd recommend that talk about e.g. how/if class stratification has changed in the US over time, or how class works in Japaan?
If you haven't done so already, Noah, I heartily recommend Paul Fussell's Class. Pushing nearly forty years old, specifics certainly will not have aged well, but the man himself makes for delightfully entertaining company. I'm going to dig up my copy this weekend...
I was just thinking about this since I read a review of the book on Astral Codex Ten...https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-fussell-on-class.
The most interesting part to me is towards the end when thinking about how things have changed over time, with newer ways to signal your class.
(A) unions were declining long before 1980
(B) large corporations haven't slashed benefits, and moving away from pensions towards defined contribution plans is better for everyone.
“ large corporations haven't slashed benefits”
Uh, which large corporations do you have experience with? Because I have seen a pretty big rise in the amount of healthcare costs covered by employees (instead of the employer).
And moving from DB to DC being better for workers is definitely debatable.
Three additional class attributes to consider:
1. religion: Evangelical is a lower class thing.
2. fitness: Being physically fit in a America is now yet another dimension of social class.
3. smoking: Does smoking make one lower class regardless of all else? I think it does if over 25.
Agree on the last two. How long will it take for the social costs of alcohol consumption to sink in and for the rich to shun it?
Japan has some of the lowest wealth inequality in the developed world by some metrics. In 2019, according to Credit Suisse in 2019, the richest 1% of Japanese people controlled 17.9% of private wealth.
Sci-fi rec: “The City & The City” by China Miéville. the people we walk past every day are in a different city in some metaphorical sense, but this is a book where it’s literally true. this isn’t magic or parallel worlds or whatever, just enforced by legal and social norms that keep the cities separate.
Wouldn’t say any of this makes us markedly different from any of the other places I’ve spent significant time in, either in Europe or Asia.
You are totally right that class is multidimensional though: otherwise terms like “hood-rich” and memes like “gender studies degree barista” wouldn’t exist.