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Matthew Yglesias's avatar

This strikes me as in some ways less a contrast to yesterday’s gloomy post about autocratic takeover than a complement to it.

As you note at the end, the EVs that are “going to win” are Chinese EVs. America is going to face pressure to stall the EV transition to prop up our auto industry, lose export markets anyway, and have our top domestic automaker be Tesla whose CEO is deeply embedded in the global autocratic axis. I’m glad the new cars are less polluting! But this still seems like part of the story of the rise of the Chinese century.

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Even if you make just one or two longer trips per month, it still doesn't make much sense for many to own an EV.

I live in a big European country that is much more densely populated than the US. You can arrive anywhere with a 500km trip.

I have to make a 500km trip about once a month, and it obviously I would never, never use an EV to do it. Refilling gas is super-fast on the highway and it takes like 2-3 minutes, and then you can go.

With a tesla model 3, at highway speeds, when it is cold (from what i can see online) you can maybe do around 250km, for me it would mean one complete charge and a bit more to make the last few km, or like two 80-85% and a last shorter charge for the last few km. Assuming that I'm starting the trip at 100% charge. If I'm correct it would add like at least 45 minutes to the trip, likely some more.

On a 3.30 trip it doesn't make much sense honestly.

It would be better in the summer or when it's warmer, but for some few months it would be like that.

And this is a best case scenario with a really good EV that has an extremely fast charging speed and a good price for what you get. At least in europe 95% of the alternatives are far worse in one or all the categories mentioned above.

The newly announced renault 5 base price is 35.7k and has a max charging speed of 100kw and a smaller range.

A much, much bigger problem here in europe is that there are a ton more people that live in condos and have no way to charge it at home, compared to the US, and the vast majority of them park in the streets (me and my family included, but again, the average person doesn't have a garage). And there are exactly zero chances that charging stations will be built on sidewalks. Not only it would be extremely impractical (1) sidewalk are often really narrow, 2) do you reserve half the sidewalk "spots" for EVs when there are still hundreds of millions of petrol cars? 3) the cost of that?), it would also be a nightmare from a logistical point of view.

The best of both worlds is by far PHEV for the foreseeable future, where you can get much of the advantages of the EV but still aren't forced to hunt for a charging station, or wait long times to "fill the tank".

I disagree that price is the only problem: for first, I've seen a ton of forecasts about incredible adoption rates for EVs ten years ago that didn't pan out, along with forecasts of "this will be cheaper in 2025" that really never materialized.

And second, the charging problem is a real one: I think that we need better battery technology. Some startups are promising C/3 discharge rates and 70-100% better battery density. That would be game-changing. At that point you could really charge it weekly at a supercharger-like station for like 5 minutes to fill half of the "tank", and you'd solve the chargning problem for like 98% of people.

There is no doubt that one day EVs will be the obvious choice for everyone, but I think the super-hyped EV enthusiasts need to assess the issue more realistically and don't assume that pointing out flaws is because "uh conservatives" or "uh did you run the math??" (not talking about you in particular).

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