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George Carty's avatar

To what extent is the decline of Europe's Green parties in the recent EP elections a result of Europeans beginning to see through what I'd call the "Green-Left lie" -- namely the notion that environmentally-meaningful degrowth would be possible only at the expense of "the rich".

This of course isn't the case, because while multi-millionaires may live highly profligate lifestyles, their consumption of physical resources is far less (as a multiple of what ordinary people would use) than their paper net worth is, and certainly doesn't compensate for their minuscule share of the total population. Millionaire wealth is overwhelmingly just _claims_ on other people's economic activity, or "fictitious capital" in Marx-speak.

The only way environmentally-meaningful degrowth would be possible only at the expense of "the rich" is if you define "the rich" so broadly that it encompasses a huge chunk (perhaps a majority) of the developed world's population.

Perhaps one reason why the far right in particular has benefited is that Europeans sense that Greens are asking them to sacrifice on the global South's behalf, and the far right would argue that the global South (especially Africa and the Middle East) is the author of its own misfortune by failing to restrain its population growth. Plus the far right explicitly defends fossil-fuelled lifestyles, consistent with their being backed by the Russian petrostate.

(Which makes it ironic that Jem Bendell further down in the thread you screenshotted basically argues that Europe should let Russia just take what it wants, even if he dresses it up in calls for "ceasefire" and "negotiated peace".)

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Liam Roche's avatar

I’m surprised at your comment on the European Parliament elections. The far right did make some gains, but very minor ones. The centre right and centre left will again dominate the EP, with a big majority, which is contrary to much of the public narrative on this election.

The Centre does hold, at least in Europe!

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