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Varado en DC's avatar

Noah says it is pure coincidence that healthcare cost decrease after passage of ACA was "coincidence"?

I have a strong reaction against that statement.

I'm not sure how I would go about gathering the data to look into this, but as someone who has worked in nine different countries and has seen both the utter insanity and the amazing capabilities of the American healthcare system I look forward to an informed examination of this issue.

Peter Drucker suggested you cannot improve what you cannot measure, in the case of healthcare perhaps just the threat of measurement was enough to curb some of the worst abuses.

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Ryan Dudzinski's avatar

Here is the latest anti-Abundance piece. You know, Noah, you should go on Nathan Robinson's Current Affairs podcast. That would make for a deeply entertaining and informative episode, I think.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/abandon-abundance

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Buzen's avatar

That was a boring standard Bernie-bro/Mamdani-stan, high taxes, redistribution left populist degrowth socialist critique, based only on the fact that the book points out how stupid all those leftist policies are and doesn’t blame everything on corporations.

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Ryan Dudzinski's avatar

Yeah, pretty much. I just like that Noah usually cites concrete examples disproving each point when he responds to that kind of thing. I don’t have the capacity nor the expertise to do so, myself.

I generally like Nathan Robinson and Current Affairs, and I myself am a progressive, but I get deeply annoyed by the types of leftist crap you’re referring to. It fucks up my side of the aisle!

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mike harper's avatar

I googled around and found that YIMBY and Abundance have common features. YIMBY is a Cri De Cour by the young middle class over being locked out of the American Dream of home ownership. Abundance is an extension into trying to get other shit done. It all seems like a very middle class project that may not resonate with folks down the economic ladder. Seems like politics today requires hate and fear to get traction.

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Buzen's avatar

When housing supply increases, all rents go down (see Seattle, Austin and most recently Jersey City) which helps renters, not only middle class home owners. And when housing supply increases, and lowers prices in economically strong cities, more people, of all income and job levels, can move to that city, increasing their own income and the GDP of the city.

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mike harper's avatar

I don't exactly know why but "Abundance" sort of sticks in my craw. Maybe because I live in what the median American would consider abundance. From my idle reading of comments on abundance I think I know what is desired. I guess I should read words from the author's mouth.

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