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Auros's avatar

I think it's also important to recognize here the degree to which we have willfully moved towards "de-skilling" the lower half of the workforce.

Fifty years ago, a loan officer in your local bank needed to _actually evaluate customers' trustworthiness to repay loans_. And that method of handing out credit had serious problems in terms of discrimination, but it also meant that successful loan officers had to have some real skills at evaluating people's finances. Now, instead, the "loan officer" is just filling out a web form, and getting the applicant's sign off to access their credit report, and the whole evaluation happens behind the scenes. So the programmers who make that system are "high productivity workers", and the loan officers are "low productivity workers", and in theory this probably lets us process loans more easily and cheaply -- not that the end consumer ends up paying any less. Mostly, private investors pocket that expanded margin.

And of course, all of that "highly productive" mortgage processing code, without the oversight of people who were both skilled at judging whether customers would actually pay back, and motivated to make that judgment correctly, got us the crisis of 2008.

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It seems to me that people are leaving out a key concept in this discussion. Aptitude.

And I want to be clear aptitude is not synonymous with IQ. When Eric Adam talks about the service workers and the corner office, what he is really saying (and assuming) is that the workers don't have the aptitude for whatever corner office job there is.

On the aggregate this might actually be true, but for all we know the hypothetical messenger is a brilliant student who is working his way through school.

Now let's go back to aptitude, and let me attempt to explain it. Aptitude is whether a person has the potential to successfully learn and perform a job or skill.

Now... let me be clear here. Aptitude is not just IQ. Let me give some examples:

Computer programmer: not only have the ability to think in code and logic, but also needs the patience and drive to want to do it for long periods.

Special Forces Soldier: must be able to handle stress. have quick reflexes. hand eye coordination. etc...

CEO: have the general ability to understand finance and business. Also has to have people skills (theoretically)

Cowboy: (yes I just watched Yellowstone). Be able to deal with animals. Hand eye coordination. Tolerance for discomfort. Etc...

Finally... my job in inspecting gas turbines. Must know NDT (a subset, which involves eddy current, ultrasonics, etc), hand eye coordination (we use borescope deep in unit), some computer skills (we have to keep track of 100s to 1000s of photos, label them, and write a report).... but the reason I get paid as well as I do is... must have the aptitude to enjoy unpredictable and long periods of travel. Approximately 20% of people we hire quit because of the travel.

Now getting back to productivity and high skilled, low skilled, etc... A certain jobs pay is based on the skills or education needed to perform it... some might require a longer lead time.. such as doctor, and then how many people have the aptitude to perform that job, and then how valuable that job is.

What's any job is worth is a function of. (how many people have the aptitude to do it) x (how long it takes to learn in) x (how many people exist currently that had the aptitude and training) x (how important that job is to the company... multiplier effect)

Another anecdote. My brother is a digital logic engineer for Boeing Space Systems. When he was hired by Boeing after graduation, his boss straight up told him that the University only had taught him 10% of what he needed to know. Boeing hired college graduates because completing a degree in electronic engineering was a sign that they had the aptitude to do the specific job.

What we are seeing now in some industries... especially programming, is that Google and Apple aren't solely relying on Stanford to signal they have the aptitude. They are giving chances to non-college graduates who display the aptitude via tests or past performance.

Now on to Bill Gates and Zuckerberg and being drop out. They are drop outs out of elite Universities. I think it's safe to say that when they entered Harvard or Stanford or whatever, they had a better education that some college graduates.

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