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Richard's avatar

I spent 20 years in China. Americans by and large just don't "get" that there is effectively no such thing as a private company in China, at least not in sensitive sectors. TikTok will act as an arm of the Chinese state when it pleases the CCP, or it will die. Ban it.

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I highly disagree that we should ban Tik Tok. If we do we just give the government license to ban any app or information source that the government doesn’t like. It’s Tik Tok today. It can be Youtube tomorrow. I think Fox news is a propaganda outlet destroying the country. Why don’t we ban Fox? And then why not the New York Times? It’s bad enough that liberals want to regulate the internet to cleanse it of “misinformation.” To give the government discretionary power to ban entire sources of information is a horrible idea. If that’s what they do in China, then why should we do it here? Democracies are not supposed to “wield sharp power,” at least not where it undermines the liberties of their own citizens. And if Tik Tok can track us, then so what? Can’t any company track us? Can’t the NSA already listen in on our private phone calls? Would we have to start banning social media companies to fix that? We could just pass privacy laws. But I understand that’s a lot less sexy than using the administrative state as a blunt instrument to plan the public good. And we’re unanimously obsessed with using the government to do big theatrical things now. Our politics is so deranged that besides cracking down on China to protect the steel industry and curry favor with the red state voting bloc, we have to freak out about the potential indoctrination of the electorate by an app full of videos of people screaming and dancing that each last only seconds long. It is my conviction that each political party is shoring up their own incompetence and covering their ass (for votes) by competing with each other for who can pretend to talk the toughest game on China. But to compete zero sum with a peaking, mock geopolitical power, by “friendshoring” and reviving manufacturing, we just put a greater strain on our deteriorating relationship with China and encourage an increasingly brittle regime to lash out. With our economic trade war, I think we are pushing Xi to support Putin in Ukraine, and we’re also pushing him into becoming a peacemaker in the middle east. We are creating a whole new sphere of influence with our inability to rationally deal with and talk to China which is entirely self-serving for the populists in our government. It’s horrible. You praise the US for finally starting to act like a “nation state.” I think the fact that we don’t care at all about international trade law is a horrible thing, and that we have totally forgotten how dumb industrial policy is, etc. It’s a strong economy and freedom that will make the US the superior of China, a commitment to western ideals and free trade, not protectionism or national security crackdowns on the internet. Why do we want to mirror China’s policies that aren’t giving them any edge on us and which are sinking their economy, and could be pushing them towards greater aggression on the world stage? And we’ll just make our own citizens hate their government more. Our bipartisan China policy is completely hysterical and stupid.

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