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The fascination with things Japanese play a very interesting role in Western cultures, European, American, in particular. Because the Dutch enjoyed privaliged trading rights in Japan from their base on Dejima off Nagasaki they were probably the first to feel the influence of Japanese woodblock prints. Artists like Rembrandt were aware of a Japanese style that was radically different from the standard styles coming out of the Renaissance. You would not mistake what Hokusai or Hiroshige had done with what Durer had produced. By the late1850s after Japan had been forcibly opened up by Commodore Perry and the treaty ports were created, woodblock art flooded the art markets of Europe, notably Paris. Vincent van Gogh, for instance, was profoundly influenced by Japanese art.

The reason: it was unusual, it was different! It was very colorful and evocative - depictions of stops on the Tokaido, views of Mt. Fuji, kimono clad persons gathered in densely packed marketplaces, exotic fish, shunga, and so forth - hence a challenge to Western conventions. It shared with the indigenous European folk art that was being widely collected by sophisticated audiences in Europe a perspective on artistic endeavors that was not mainstream. In music the scales used by folk artists differed from the standard twelve note major/minor scales that were standard in so-called classical music for instance. Where things Japanese parted company with European folk art was the level of sophistication.

As I understand the appeal of "weeb" culture in America today it is a kind of folk art movement that draws upon Japanese anime, video games, and manga. Like the European variant of the 19th century it is the merger of Western folk art tendencies with Japanese cultural artifacts, Not surprisingly what the folk art culture in America does with its Japanese artifacts -how an American audience feels emotionally about the Japanese artifacts - is going to be very different from what Japanese feel about these things.

That said there are going to be people - like me for instance - who have spent a lot of time in Japan, reading and speaking the language, who are able to appreciate the Japanese artifacts in a manner fairly similar to the way Japanese do. When I lived in Japan I read manga on a regular basis. My original interest in Japan was piqued by savoring the art of Hokusai. For us, the world of "weeb" is foreign territory. We are not part of the American subculture fascinated by :weeb" folk art.

In the same sense nobody would confuse van Gogh's paintings of cherry blossom trees or his versions of woodblock pictures with what artists like Hokusai and Hiroshige produced. Vincent was responding to a deep seeded desire to incorporate folk art into "high art" and he found the Japanese example helpful in realizing that ambition.

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Michael's avatar

Rawhide Kobayashi is a very important reference point in this discussion imo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7WIULLXUAAbagR?format=jpg&name=900x900

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