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Some assorted notes from Vietnam:

Channeling Matt Yyglesias: housing is the cause of all problems. It is hard to overstate how insanely expensive housing is in any capital city. Which is obviously going to affect urbanization. You have to get pretty far out in the suburbs to get anything reasonably priced but the infrastructure isn't there to support those kind of commutes. It's honestly a bit of a mystery to me because Vietnam lacks the usual culprits of zoning and NIMBYs that plague housing in the West. But there's a massive, massive shortfall in affordable housing.

Education might look good on paper but the reality often falls short. Classrooms are woefully understaffed -- 40 students is common. Teachers are underpaid -- they often offer "mandatory" tutoring on the weekends to make extra money. And the education system is very much geared towards memorization and obedience, which might make good factory workers but isn't great for the 21st century knowledge economy. I've hired a lot of uni graduates and a Vietnamese university graduate is generally less competent than an Australian university junior doing an internship.

Corruption and fraud continue to be very widespread. There's a current crackdown on corruption, which is needed. But it has a side effect of every government official being terrified of actually DOING anything right now, with even more projects than normal being mired with no progress.

The entire economic system has rife with fraud -- the FLC chairman was recently arrested for stock market manipulation, the Vin Thinh Phat chairwoman was arrested for fraud, 40,000 customers of banks were fraudulently sold bonds of Tan Hoang Minh Group...and that's just from the past few weeks. FDI is down 10% from 2021 due to reduced investor confidence.

Demographics are a challenge. Vietnam is aging quickly but doesn't have the social safety net to weather it well. Migrant workers are often locked out of subsidised childcare due to Vietnam's version of China's "hukou" household registration system. Traditional marriage has tons of downsides for women, so more and more are opting out.

There's still a fair amount of regional factionalism between north and south. No southerner has ever been General Secretary of the Party and only 2 of 12 Prime Ministers have been from the south. A constant complaint from the Ho Chi Minh City government is that a lot of the revenue they generate is distributed to other provinces rather than reinvested back into the city.

Then on top of all these challenges add the problems facing the Mekong. Upstream dams (Chinese built), salinity-issues, land sinking, rising sea levels. It feeds half the country.

All of these challenges are surmountable but as Tomas VdB says, decision making is amazingly poor for such a (theoretically) centralized political system, apparently riven by endless backdoor factionalisim that only insiders have any real clue about. One very common example, for instance, is that some development project -- a new bridge, for instance -- is delayed for years because one government department (usually the army or navy) refused to hand over the land to another government department so the construction can proceed. The Thu Thiem Bridge 2 was officially commenced in 2015, scheduled for completion in 2018, but didn't actually open 2022. And that's in the heart of Ho Chi Minh City and was a major contributor to traffic woes for over half a decade.

Despite how it might sound, I'm actually very bullish on Vietnam. Despite all those issues it is clearly better positioned than other places in Asia. Yes, it has bad demographics. But China, South Korea, Singapore, and Japan are worse. Yes, it's low-lying nature makes it vulnerable to rising sea levels. (Take a look at projections of how much of Ho Chi Minh City will be under seawater by 2050!) But those issues, and others, aren't insoluble.

But it means Vietnam can't coast on easy wins like it has for the past 50 years. France was almost comically bad at running colonies (not just in Vietnam), so a lot of economic gain was just "catch up" from doing bare minimum stuff like increasing literacy from 5% to 99% and land reform.

On a side note, there's been a notable increase in the number of Filipinos coming to Vietnam for work. Who would have predicted that even just 5 years ago?

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Having lived in VN for over 2 years (2019-2022) and witnessed government policy making first hand, I must say I am a lot less positive about Vietnam’s future than I was before.

The main reason is that decision making at all government levels seems virtually non existent. Unlike China, which has a very strong central leadership, Vietnam’s government is very fractious , with an enormous amount of infighting and score-settling all the time.

This means no one want to be accountable for decisions in case they will be used against them at a later stage.

There is also an enormous amount of rent seeking, where one group may oppose very sensible policies or development projects just in order to extract financial gain. For a communist country, Vietnamese are extraordinarily obsessed with money, and rent seeking is the quickest way for (local) officials to get rich.

Combine this with all the other factors, such as the poor education and lack of political vision, and you have a country that’s heading for a grinding halt.

Yes, some big manufacturers are still settling up factories, and these are hailed as big victories, but these are just riding on past policies. “Changing direction” is not something I think Vietnam is able to do.

The former Singaporean PM Lee Kuan Yew, already described Vietnam’s problems in his memoirs, and they haven’t been fixed. If anything they’ve gotten worse because there is so much more richness up for grabs.

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