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"Another future that 9/11 brought forward was an American reckoning over race and nationhood. The nation was becoming more diverse and more culturally liberal, and that was always going to provoke some sort of a conflict. As it happened, it was 9/11 and the War on Terror that precipitated that conflict, causing a wrenching and contentious debate over whether America was still a Christian country (a debate the Christians increasingly look to have lost). But already, there was a feeling that this struggle over religion was a proxy for a deeper struggle over race — when people on the Right insisted that Barack Obama was a Muslim, it was widely understood that his religion was not what was making them uncomfortable.

And so the true battle came — the Woke Era and the Trump Era. But that was destined to happen anyway, as anyone who has read American history, seen the statistics on changing demographics, and listened to subterranean chatter on the Right would have realized. And in a way, the 9/11 Era and the War on Terror might have delayed the eruption a few years, by keeping the focus on religious conflict for a little while longer, and by briefly uniting the country over the need to destroy the people who committed the attacks (as we in fact did). "

I'm really not sure about this.

First off, read the transcripts for the 2000 Presidential debates, and immigration is not mentioned once (despite unauthorized border crossings being far more frequent then than they are today), and racial issues only come up a few times, mostly with boilerplate talking points about racial profiling and school funding and stuff like that. https://www.debates.org/voter-education/debate-transcripts/ So that's where we were before 9/11. Keep that in mind.

Second, it seems to me that a lot of the rise of racial issues on the right was tied to post-9/11 trends. The Paleocon branch of the Right, represented by Pat Buchanan and so on, gained a lot of traction because they turned out to be right about invading Iraq being a bad idea while the immigrant-friendly and business-friendly Neocons turned out to be horribly wrong. The Tea Party and Birtherism, similarly, seemed to arise out of a need to fill the vacuum left by Bush's brand of conservatism after it was discredited by the one-two punch of the Iraq disaster and the financial crisis (The financial crisis would probably still happen without 9/11, but would it be enough by itself? Hard to say.). And Trump himself clearly benefited in the primary from attacking establishment Republicans over Iraq and in the general from not wanting to go to war with Russia over Syria. Studies have found that Trump made greater electoral gains in 2016 in counties with higher levels of Iraq War casualties: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ps-political-science-and-politics/article/abs/battlefield-casualties-and-ballotbox-defeat-did-the-bushobama-wars-cost-clinton-the-white-house/4E889EA6F4E606EC4279A06F46E1B59F

Third, on the left side of the political spectrum, it also seems like the hard-left socialist branch, represented by people like Noam Chomsky, likewise benefited by being right about Iraq while establishment Democrats such as our current President were wrong. Thus, Occupy Wall Street, Bernie Sanders, and while it would take too long to explain I strongly suspect that a lot of Wokeness was a reaction to that. So the left side of the political spectrum would likely look quite a bit different without 9/11 as well.

Fourth, just looking at general trends in feelings about immigration, anti-immigration sentiment was going down before 9/11, they went up a lot in the immediate aftermath, and didn't get back to pre-9/11 levels for several years. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx So clearly it had some impact on the issue directly.

Fifth, one also has to wonder about the impact on the high levels of unauthorized Mexican immigration that were going on at the time. Post-9/11 reforms tightened security at the Southern border a lot. Without that, would illegal immigration have just been a bit higher, or might the increased trade have led to faster Mexican economic growth and ended the great Mexican immigration wave a few years earlier than it did in OTL? Just eyeballing the economic growth graphs, it does seem like Mexico had a bit of a slowdown in the early 2000s, but was that due to 9/11 or due to unrelated factors that would have happened anyway? https://www.google.com/search?q=mexico+gni+per+capita+ppp&ei=CkI-YaymB4To9APBobnQDw&oq=mexico+gni+per+capita+ppp&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgUIABCGAzoHCAAQRxCwA0oECEEYAFDDEFjxEWDQE2gBcAJ4AYABeogByAKSAQMxLjKYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwis07vZg_ryAhUENH0KHcFQDvoQ4dUDCA0&uact=5 This is especially important to the immigration debate, because pro-immigration sentiment seems to go up when the Southern border is perceived as secure, and go down when it isn't perceived as secure. The summer 2014 start of the Central American migrant crisis caused a drop of support for a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants of: 5% among the general electorate, 10% among Republicans, and 15% among Tea Party Republicans. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/07/16/surge-of-central-american-children-roils-u-s-immigration-debate/ This is another issue that is really hard to predict.

Sixth, there's a lot of evidence that post-9/11 reforms greatly increased the militarization of local police. The probable impact of this on recent political events in this country should be obvious.

Bottom line, 9/11 and the ensuing wars clearly had a huge impact on US politics, and I think that today's politics would probably be very different, and quite possibly even unrecognizable, in a world in which 9/11 never happened.

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Noah writes: "And “free” societies like the U.S. and Europe were always going to use the tools of digital surveillance as the inevitable counter to the problem of non-state terrorism."

What are a couple, or so, things that need to change for those quotation marks around "free" to come off?

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