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Naomi's avatar

As someone who worked on the 2010 census, I suspect the new numbers are not reflective of truly large change at all, but rather a more accurate representation of how Hispanics always thought of themselves, because 2010 was when they started specifying “Hispanic” as an ethnicity rather than a race, if my memory serves. My job was to go to people’s houses and ask them the census questions again as a quality control survey of sorts. Invariably, the Hispanic people I talked to wanted to put down “Hispanic” as both their race and their ethnicity, but there wasn’t a default Hispanic option in the race category. In training, we were instructed VERY clearly and explicitly to insist that they pick something else as their race, and only put down “other” with a Hispanic write in value if they insisted after asking three times. If that training was reinforced consistently across the census, it would explain a lot of the shift, especially if the 2020 census included Hispanic as a default race option.

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"You’re Chinese-Peruvian-Polish? That’s cool, I’m from Texas and I lived in California, Japan, and New York!"

This was basically my experience growing up in New York in the 80's and 90's. When you made friends with someone you'd ask them something like "where are you from?" or "where is your family from?" or something and you'd get a breakdown of countries of origin. I knew the ethnic layout of my neighborhood (mostly Italian and Irish) and the next neighborhood over (mostly Italian and German). I knew which countries most of my friends' parents and grandparents had come from. Older members of my family would sit around at family gatherings talking about how their parents/grandparents got to the US and what our oral histories said about which parts of their countries they came from. Maybe as first- and second-generation immigrants it was their way of holding onto their roots.

Later I found out this was not really the norm in the US, in two ways. One, I heard Asian friends complaining about White people asking them the "where are you from" question, which they interpreted as a denial of their Americanness rather than just a normal topic of conversation, as it is for New Yorkers from a patchwork of ethnically-sorted immigrant enclaves, like myself. Two, I noticed some POC online mocking White people for talking about where our ancestors came from. I think for obvious reasons most Black Americans won't be able to trace their countries of origin so I can understand where this difference came about.

Then at 29 I moved to Georgia-the-country, and upon hearing my last name, people often ask me where I'm "really" from - meaning, where is the name "Zupancic" from (answer: it's a South Slavic name, and by oral tradition my ancestors came from "somewhere near Vienna" so geographically I think they were probably Slovenian). In Georgia, by the way, there are different suffixes on surnames associated with different regions of the country - "ia" for Samegrelo, "dze" for Imereti, "shvili" for central and eastern Georgia. People here sit around talking about which villages they are "from", having moved to the capital but still maintaining ties to, and associations with, the ancestral homeland.

Which is all to say I think perhaps there's something universal about this type of self-identification, although it's interesting how it intersects with different political realities, like racism and people's feelings towards immigrants from different places.

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