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sch's avatar

Solar and wind are low density power systems and work 20-35% of the time. The rest of the time you need backup. You can't replace a coal/gas/nuclear plant (say 1 Gwatt plant) with 1 Gw of solar (or wind) you need to build 3-4 Gw, and then at least 12 hours of battery or some sort of backup. A review of California, UK or Canadian minute by minute power inflow and demands show that every now and then, 2-6x/year there will be days when no wind blows and essentially no sun shines. If you plan for these you will need more than 12 hours of backup. So even at $1/watt for utility solar build costs your built out system capex, ignoring the transmission lines will result in a much higher capex for the system than exists for the present coal/gas/nuclear/hydro system, which means the $ cost per kw-hr is not going to be anywhere near "so cheap it will cause an economic boom" scenario. Ask Californians what price fluctuations they see, and ask UK and German rate payers what there kw-hr costs are now versus 20 yrs ago. And you ignore the nimby factor and the environmental impact and regulatory regime that will greatly hinder any major solar/wind/transmission line build out unless we have a political revolution.

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Naive question..how "competitive" would solar be if the panels weren't being build by Uyghur slave labor and other CCP subsidies?

I'm less enthusiastic about solar also because even if you ignore the above issue, there are unanswered questions regarding massive disposal of degraded solar panels, the enormous amount of land usage needs of industry and the environmental impact on 3rd world countries from the mining for the rare earth minerals needed for a solar economy.

Can we just do Gen III or Gen IV nuclear power? We know that fission can deliver on demand power to industrial society. Solar is still a question mark to me

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