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I’m a little surprised that Noah sees a college degree as a way to weed out prospective cadets. Why not increase training, including some “Plato and math” (some sort of history of race riots might be more applicable, though), but keep it open to anyone?

Pretty sure plumber and nail technician don’t require a college degree, and neither does my profession: actuary. You *do* have to pass 9-10 notoriously difficult exams, each with approximately a 50% pass rate, so if someone had an Associate or Fellow designation, you can be pretty confident they know what they’re talking about. That’s the sort of thing you’re shooting for with police, college degree or not.

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I think police needing to become more professionalised (similar to lawyers, doctors and plumbers) is something many voters should be able to get behind.

That said, I don’t think the article engages that fairly with activists who are opposed to the Atlanta training facility and the reasons why anti-police activists are arguing the USA is “over-policed.”

To begin with, whilst crime rates in Atlanta have dropped by 45% since 2009, there has been a mixed trend in the homicide rate since then. Despite this, around a third of the city’s budget in 2022 (~$250 million) was spent on its police force. To a lot of people, this has produced diminishing returns. They feel that there has not been a substantial reduction in homicides over the past decade that sufficiently justifies the enormous budget being spent on the police department every year. And that this could be better spent on programmes that reduce the underlying conditions that lead to high crime rates.

This isn’t just a thing in Atlanta either. “Defunding the police” activists observe (rightly or wrongly) that across the country, the overwhelming majority of police time is not spent on stopping violent crime, but rather; traffic stops for broken tail lights; issue citations for so-called “quality of life” offences like public drinking, “disorderly conduct,” and fare evasion; and arrest people for minor drug offences. And when police do respond to violent crimes, they often do a pretty bad job of it. I think it was around 50% of people killed by police had some kind of disability. I can’t imagine how unnecessary this would have been if they had the help they needed beforehand.

Funnily enough defunding police activists would actually agree with your suggestion that the police should be replaced with a highly specialised and professionalised organisation of public servants to respond to violent crime. Just that they also argue that the non-violent crime stuff should be handled by the community as a whole. There was an interesting leaflet made by one of said activists (also called Noah, heh) on the issue: http://www.irrelevantpress.com/store/police-abolition-101-a-collaborative-zine-project-nia-amp-interrupting-criminalization

I think the characterisation of the Atlanta activists as “environmentalist-NIMBYs” is unfair. Atlanta tree cover is an important defence against climate change and storm water flooding. But more importantly, some argue it would be better to construct environmentally friendly neighbourhoods, reducing the increasing cost of living across the city (opposite of NIMBYism). Overall, it’s a combination of the environmentalist concerns but just a general attitude that the cost of this project ($90 million of which a third is paid via taxes) is not sufficiently justified by the claimed benefits. A lot of the countries that you showed as having more training hours do not-to the best of my knowledge require massive $90 million training premises in each city in order to achieve this.

Overall this was a really insightful and informative blog post. I find that the central message of creating a more professionalised police force is something everyone can get behind. Just that I think the activist arguments could do with some more thorough engagement as you’ll find more common ground with them on this issue than you might expect.

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