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Rory Hester's avatar

I want to comment on the following:

"The U.S. currently does a pretty good job of identifying top STEM talent — which was a big focus of the original NDEA — but it lacks the broad-based mid-level engineering competence required to compete with China in high-tech industries. This is a rationale for cheaper college and free community college (Republicans might be appeased by pairing this with incentives for students to learn STEM subjects). "

Working internationally and with Europeans, I've actually thought a lot about this.

The problem with the United States is we have become a heavily service and financial oriented economy.

At the very top of engineering and science level, we do relatively well.

The issue is as Noah say, we lack the mid-level engineering (and technical) competence to compete with China and India.

The issue is the same people who would be good at this level, don't go into technical/engineering fields. They have better opportunities going into non-stem fields, make more money, more prestige, etc....

I see a lot of discourse about we need to just more training to get the less technically skilled trained for these positions, but I'm skeptical.

Yes there is certainly some untapped talent available, but I honestly think a bigger problem is the allocation of talent.

I attribute this to two issues.

1. demand. so much of this level of work has been off-shored, that there currently aren't enough jobs in this area. Therefore the salaries for this skilled technical/field engineering work just aren't high enough or in demand enough to entice talented people into this area.

2. culture. Because of the above, the perception of this productive technical work with involves a combination of manual and intellectual skills isn't as prestigious as it should be.

I think the United States is going to need a pretty serious reboot of culture and the economy to fix the issue.

The easiest bet is as Noah says to increased skilled immigration, but it would take massive amounts of immigration that won't fly politically to transform our economy, and there is something unsettling about the idea that the United States can't provide their own internal expertise as well.

To top it off, this mid-level engineering/technician education is best provided by big State Schools and Technical Colleges, and already I am reading that the Four-year college industry is about to kill Biden's free community college program because they fear competition.

The simple fact our country graduates way to many Bachelor of Arts degrees and not enough Associate of Science degrees.

We produced top level engineers to design new high-tech products. But instead of producing the type of highly competent factory supervisors and technicians to build these products, we instead pump out marketing and business majors who handle the paperwork to off-shore our production, import the products and then sell the products.

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vladcykka12's avatar

I gotta say, as a leftist, this is pretty convincing stuff. Not that I'm for increased *military* spending (nor am I American) but it does sound pretty disappointing that America can only do public goods under the guise of national security. And it's nice that you agree that the culture of natsec-public goods has to change but aren't there a lot of collateral damages when it comes to framing everything as a natsec question? Like increased militaristic culture, xenophobia?, increased nationalism?

But given the current circumstances in the US right now, Biden really should've taken a leaf out of Eisenhower's book and instead bank on the natsec part of his BBB bill (tech capability vis-a-vis China)

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