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Tksr's avatar

I think what really irks many progressives, especially those outside the US, is that America faced no real 'consequences' as a result of the Iraq war. Just a bunch of perfunctory disclaimers and Op-eds admitting how 'wrong' it was post-fact. But no real, negative, ramifications for either the country, the hostile media, the foreign-policy elite or even the government. No sanctions, no international isolation, not even a thousand extra body-bags courtesy of a foreign power supplying Saddam with weaponry to aid against a hostile, illegal invasion. Just a "yep, got it, shouldnt have done that, soz guys, probably wont do it again for a good while, btw see how humble we are? The Chinese/Russians would never!". But none of the tangible 'consequences' that the US regularly threatens to mete out to others.

Of course, this is because in the real-world, there are only 2 countries (excluding EU) that have the power to sanction anybody and nobody is/was going to sanction the US for crimes past or present. But then you are left face-to-face with the reality that the balance between raw, coercive power and geopolitical ethics/laws is not as even, or 'favorable' towards the latter, as you might like. Progressives hate the idea of compromising with this aforementioned reality.

I actually sympathize with the first bit Re 'consequences'. Americans can't be permitted to go prancing about the world stage selectively applying some international laws/norms whilst violating others, invading countries, drone-bombing weddings, etc. All the while proclaiming that there is some perfectly unique, feedback-loop within their system that then 'rights the wrongs' and so invalidates the need for the sort of severe outside censure/penalties which they are happy to dish out themselves. Luckily (for non-Americans), power dynamics are shifting and the raw US power that underpins a lot of their, use-of and immunity-to, unilateral, punitive, actions, is now in a gradual but irreversible relative decline. Massive countries like China, India, Indonesia, Nigeria, etc, countries with no obviously deep links to the US (maybe outside of a momentary convergence of interests) will shift the balance of power and by mid-century should cement a truly multi-polar world.

Progressives, however, are then going to have to come to terms with the fact that the US will no longer be the hegemonic rule-breaker par-excellence. China already boasts very similar levels of geopolitical power and by mid-century will likely have overtaken the US in a lot of key metrics. China, already, is nigh-on impervious to western censure and is growing increasingly impatient with any criticism. How will the progressives then react to a nation that doesnt even present them with the illusion that their disapprobation matters?

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Philip George's avatar

"killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people" in Iraq = Error

Russia invading Ukraine = Crime against humanity

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