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Doug Orleans's avatar

Thank you for this! I've been wanting to write an essay about this for a long time but now I can just point to yours. It always bugs me when people say things like "people deserve to be compensated for their labor", or, worse, "you have to appreciate this work of art because clearly it took a lot of effort to create". It seems rude to bring up Mein Kampf as a counterexample, maybe I'll use your wavy swords thing instead.

One reason I think people hold on to this intuition is that we teach kids that effort is important, and we teach this by attaching value to effort directly. E.g. "A for effort", participation trophies, "showing up is 80 percent of life", "genius is 2% inspiration and 98% perspiration". This is fine, we want to encourage kids to put in the effort because usually effort is a good thing, and its benefits are not immediately obvious. But we don't do a good job at teaching that *productive* effort is the actual goal.

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Marc Robbins's avatar

As a complete non-economist, I have a perhaps out of left field question: why do we care what Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Karl Marx etc thought? Really smart guys and all that, but hasn't the field of economics progressed far beyond them? I mean, physicists respect Newton and Maxwell but don't base their arguments on disputes among that generation of scientists, or chemists with Priestley and Faraday. And I suspect that, great as they were, Weber and Durkheim do not dominate what sociologists say to each other.

The only field that seems similar to me (based on limited knowledge) is philosophy where Hegel, Hume and the like still define much of the dialogue.

Is the labor theory of value just a curiosity from those early days or if it still represents a live debate that has continued on since their time, what would that imply?

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