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Auros's avatar

Man, I hadn't heard that a serious MMT-er had held out African forced labor as an example. This reminds me of Scott Alexander's fairly persuasive argument that a "job guarantee" almost certainly leads into a scenario where you have second-class citizens who are stuck working those guaranteed jobs in order to survive at subsistence, while the first-class citizens continue to work in the normal market.

This is why we should have UBI, not a jobs guarantee. UBI says that you're allowed to live at subsistence while NOT working -- which you might just do indefinitely, but it won't be comfortable, so most likely you'll still be looking for work. The point of UBI is precisely to make sure that nobody faces the choice between tolerating a shitty, coercive employer, and suffering some dire consequences (homelessness, hunger, or even worse, their children experiencing the same).

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As an occasional MMT dabbler I might be able to explain some of the stuff around taxation you were wondering about above. I think the usual MMT way of thinking here is that things work like this:

1) government says all ten people in the economy will need to pay $1 in taxes each (for a total of $10).

2) We hire Susan as a firefighter and pay her $10.

3) The other 9 people in the economy need to provide some good or service to Susan in order to get the $1 they owe the government.

4) boom, now you've got a market economy.

I think in reality you'd want to spend more money into the economy than you plan to tax back out, at least until you achieve the right level of liquidity. So the government might hire two people to do firefighting, injecting $20 into the economy, but still only tax $10 out, leaving the extra $10 behind to continue circulating.

My understanding (maybe wrong) of the idea here though is that we think of government spending as creating money, and taxes destroy money. So the government doesn't pay for things with taxes - in an MMT model, taxes are simply collected and burned in big bonfires, and then as a completely separate action, the government prints new money and spends it into existence.

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