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david's avatar

Good post, but I think it's going to be hard to adjust police behavior without regaining civilian control of police departments, which itself requires weakening the power of police unions, and probably repealing or weakening police officer bill of rights legislation. Otherwise it's very difficult to effectively discipline bad actors and change the warrior culture mentality. But I think this is a pretty difficult task politically, especially for a Democratic party eager to dispel the notion that it is anti-police. So I'm somewhat pessimistic that this story has a happy ending.

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If anyone wants a really good analysis of policing and policing issues, I recommend https://grahamfactor.substack.com/

He is a regular commentator over at slow boring, a former policemen and does a pretty good job of explaining the intricacies of policing.

One of the thing that these police reform articles fail to mention is the role of prosecuting in addressing police reform.

1. Police already know who the shooters are. For instance, my wife was at the mall in Boise when the shooting started last Monday. She is ok, but it really hit home. The shooter turned out to be a convicted felon from Chicago who was well know to police. In fact he had even posted YouTube videos taunting the police about having a gun. They had even attempted to arrest him, but via some quirk of Idaho Law and possible a mistake, he wasn’t charged.

In Chicago and other cities with high rates of gun violence there is a revolving door of people who get arrested for possession of weapons, but who aren’t prosecuted or get light sentences.

One of the biggest complaints among police in these cities is that even when they arrest people, the charges are pled down or not prosecuted at all. When police do catch shooters it’s very rare for them to have had no previous records.

Of course this gets into the issue of funding for prosecutors and of our high prison rates. It’s hard to both convict more people and to simultaneously reduce the prison population.

Now of course, all the reforms Noah talks about will reduce and prevent crime, lowering the number of shooters, but crime prevention needs to have a carrot and stick approach.

I’m rather skeptical that police detectives will have on solving murders and reducing crime alone. Matt Yglesias had suggested having a second track for Police Detectives separate from patrol officers, but many people pointed out that Police Detectives mostly solve crimes because they know the players from their time as patrol officers. Policing is a relationships game.

I am however very optimistic that more beat police walking around would have an excellent effect on crime. I am currently working in Argentina and you can’t walk a few blocks without seeing police milling around.

The issue is always going to come down to money though. The neighborhoods that need the most police funding are always the ones that have the least amount of resources.

Perhaps policing, like education needs to be one of those things where funding is performed at a higher level. The state or federal level. It occurs to me that this morning s one of those areas where the US is always at a disadvantage. Much of the world, policing and education and social programs are funded at the federal level, whereas in the US, it’s more local, which of course means unequal.

Also… public sector unions are bad. It’s fun to pick on police unions, but that’s because the negative influence is just more visible. Sometimes you hear about teachers unions, but Not m going to wager that any public union is going to have a net negative impact on services.

Note, I support private unions because they give workers leverage against private companies. Public employees are effectively their own bosses, since they also vote. This skews the checks and balances.

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