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The "Thucydides Trap" implies that rival powers can't resist destructive escalation against each other. But that's an awfully selective reading of history, isn't it?

Sure, Britain and the USA fought in the War of 1812. Yet they never fought a war again afterward, not even once, even as the USA got stronger and stronger.

Sure, the USSR and the USA made opposite sides in the Cold War, and even proclaimed their wish to exterminate each other's philosophy. Yet they worked so hard to limit actual military conflict that even *other* countries' international wars after 1945 were actually much rarer than before WW2!

Are China and the USA fated to suspect and be nervous of each other? Sure, I'll buy that. But "nervous" can go two ways: escalation, or negotiation.

Some pairs of countries settled their rivalries by nervous escalation to all-out war, like Germany and Austria versus Russia in World War I. But other rivalries got eased by nervous negotiation that limited conflict, like USSR and USA in the Cold War. Not all "trapped" powers end up annihilating each other.

So, what's the best recipe for priming US-China tensions to head for "nervous negotiation" instead of "nervous escalation"?

Whatever that recipe is, it might be worth the world to find it.

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Dear Noah Smith, I think your book review bring about all the key points that needed to be considered to understand China US relationship and where it is going between the two countries. However, I may not agree that China is threatening democracies. Mostly China's role in other countries have been economic dominance and China's involvement in local culture has been minimum and that is one of the reasons that most of the Chinese projects under belt road initiatives in South Asia, Middle East or Africa have not seen much progress. Neither China is assisting partner countries in technology transfer. All the good things of Chinese cooperation wiz a wiz economic cooperation is only concentrated to East Asia and probably that is the reason China is not allowing Taiwan and Hong Kong to break away. Both Taiwan and Hong Kong are the golden goose for China.

Secondly you conclude your blog with excellent points that is that China is dominating the global manufacturing supply chain and all multinationals are very comfortable with working in main land China. Thus it seems that Chinese belligerent behavior that is mostly concentrated to Taiwan and Hong Kong is the main threat to Chinese economic progress itself. For example, multinationals work very comfortably in Africa in diamond trade or oil, and those African countries are suffering from institutional underdevelopment. Multinationals have rarely contributed to institutional aspects like political stability or rule of law in the countries they operate and have relationship with the countries that offer some benefit to international trade with natural resources despite any challenges to local development or class conflict. Thus it seems that multinationals would keep working with China and would not expect China to improve its records on human rights. The introspection has to be done by CDC and President Xi as to transform its economic gains with better domestic governance. It is that Hong Kong and Taiwan has actually contributed to Chinese economic prosperity in its historic context, whereby both the East Asian cities are the global business hub that has brought the global supply chains to main land China. It is unfortunate that China is showing belligerent behavior towards both Hong Kong and Taiwan that btw is rejected by the citizens of both mega cities. Regarding American superiority over China, I should mention that the modern world is synonymous to brand USA and the American dream any where you go into the world. Yes there is economic competition of China and the US but there is no competition of US with China in practice of liberal values, cultural aesthetics, freedom of speech because these values are the future of the world a decade after or a century after. This reality should be known to any country that opposes US value system. Remember US is the country of immigrants and every person in this world is represented in the US economy and its prosperity. No country in the world other than may be Britain can claim this. So China and its leadership should know that there is only one way to progress and that is better governance that can implement modern values into the laws that the Chinese people abide by. Economic dominance is a different story and if China rejects modern values and democratic governance, future multinationals might not find it a consumer heaven as Tesla EV found by relocating its Giga Factor there.

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