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Kevin Sullivan's avatar

Yeah, I'm an American who naturalized in Spain. Like it just seems completely outside of debate that Americans are way richer overall. Like the idea of a regular middle class family having a 2000 square foot detached house with a yard and two cars is just bonkers in Spain.

Yet I choose to live in Spain because I value the lifestyle and social connections.

Now onto two points.

First as someone who has done a lot of work on both continents the one thing Europe can really learn from America is to let jobs die. The Nordic system tends to do a pretty good job of this with the whole "protect the worker, not the job" philosophy, and it's no coincidence that most European tech start-ups are from there. The government accepts they don't have a role in the private allocation of labor and that the large social spending is taken from the riches created by a dynamic market. In Southern Europe, we'd still have blacksmith guilds if lots of people had their way and the protectionism is crazy. EU is helping a bit by forcing cartels to have to open up. But just as an example, when I moved to Spain it was cheaper to get a container into Southampton, UK and truck it to Madrid than to unload in Spain because of the insane costs of Spanish ports.

Now for the part with people's wealth, in Europe intergenerational wealth is so much more important than in the US. Especially now with declining birth rates so much more of people's overall wealth is inherited. These tend to be modest but it also makes mobility harder. I have major problem with how mobility is measured since most people at some point in their life will move through the quintiles of income both up and down. I can say it just seems patently obvious that the idea of being able to get a decent amount of wealth with not a lot of education is absurdly easier in the US. The adage I usually say is that "It's better to be poor in Europe and it's better to be rich in Europe, but it's so much easier to go from poor to rich in the US"

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Xavier Moss's avatar

I think this is exactly right. One thing I wonder is, how much of American wealth goes into the much stronger preference for large houses? Not only are they expensive in and of themselves, but the costs around them – having a car, maintaining access to suburbs, maintenance, time spent commuting – seem really high, and I wonder if it would account for a large chunk of the perceived quality of life gap.

I have a little pet theory about this, since it's not like larger apartments and mansions aren't status symbols in Europe. In most places, though, the prestige of a large home and the prestige of a _central_ home cancel each other out; if you're a billionaire you can have both but for most people it has to cancel out somehow. But America – due to some combination of white flight, endless land, and being rich enough for mass car ownership, etc. – completely lost the centralising force outside of a few urban areas, so 'larger even if further' became a widespead norm outside of a few metro areas. And somewhere like Manhattan, where millionaires are happy with well-located 2-bedrooms, not coincidentally feels more livable.

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