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Tran Hung Dao's avatar

This is one of the few topics where I probably know more than the average internet person! I live in Vietnam -- I've been here for many years at this point. This is a pretty good summary of the current status quo. Related: last night I taking a Grab motorbike taxi home and the driver asked where I was from. I told him. "I love <country X>!" And then the non-sequitor, "I hate China! Especially the Chinese government."

But I think Noah needs to fine tune the call to action a bit. There's basically zero "grudge" in an American-Vietnamese politics that I've ever been able to detect. Trump labelled Vietnam a currency manipulator (Biden recently undid it) but that seemed more a vague "Asian countries, trade war, don't just stand there, do something" response than anything else.

America has put essentially zero official pressure on Vietnam for any human rights stuff. Just last week four people were sentenced to 10 years in prison for "anti-state propaganda" and I'm willing to bet you had no idea. Neither American embassy officials nor American press said anything about it.

So I guess I feel like it is just..."Keep doing what you're already doing". But I'd be curious to hear ideas for something more proactive than that. So here are a few random thoughts:

The US should become the #1 source for government grants/investments. (I think it is Japan, right now ... I don't actually know why Japan invests so much in Vietnam.)

The US should work harder to get its companies involved in infrastructure projects. This is hard because the US sucks at infrastructure. But the recent Hanoi metro was built by a Chinese company. That's the opposite of what you want if you're the US. Roads, airports, metros ... it is all being doing by Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, and German companies. I can't think of a single US company doing anything with infrastructure.

The US has a lot of expertise being on the cutting edge of environmentalism. And not in a scolding "you're so bad, stop polluting" way. But in a "Yes, we also once set a polluted river on fire and had toxic dumps and cities didn't have clean water" way. The US is helping clean up Agent Orange and remove land mines but a) that's tied to the American War (and being done by the US military, AFAIK) and b) there's so much more that could be done. Even in Saigon basically no household drinks tap water. There's central water treatment but rusty pipes and rusty storage tanks means it is often contaminated by E. coli by the time it gets to the tap.

Food safety is a huge problem in Vietnam and the US has tons of expertise. Vietnam gets a ton of fruit & vegetable from China. Even though everyone doesn't trust it. America loves farm subsidies. Why not subsidize sending American fruit & vegetables to Vietnam and cut the dependence on Chinese imports?

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悪魔城下町's avatar

Yes, yes, the alliance makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider Japan's huge investment in the country (at times Japan has been the number one investor in Vietnam). Many many Vietnamese (including a good neighbor of mine) come to Japan for technical training/a college education.

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