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rahul razdan's avatar

Interesting article. As always... a few comments...

1) Industrial policy (as classically defined) tends to be "good" for lagging countries where the future trajectory of innovation is understood. Even in this situation, it does not work well unless the industry can find a non-innovation based value (ex cost[China] or quality [Japan]).

2) Long term "industrial policy" is much more driven by the rate of innovation... and this requires quite a bit different machinery... perhaps even societal culture. Totalitarian societies are awful in this regard. Freedom is not just a moral value, but a key economic one as well.

3) The rate of innovation is highly correlated with the ability of a country to attract the world's best talent, an ability to "arm" them with resources, and a society which can accept disruption.

4) Linear economic development can be developed with a follower economy. However, over time an innovation paradigm will generate disruptive changes which lead to accelerated growth.

Finally, economists and any policy based on economic studies tend to miss the impact of these non-linear technology trends. Leading to something like the current situation where there is puzzlement at lowering inflation, raising interest rates, AND economic growth.

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I appreciate Noah's highlighting the recently released work of Juhász, Lane, and Rodrik (2023), his observations regarding the reactive tendencies of the economics profession, and laying groundwork for continuing assessments of the what, how, and why of U.S. industrial policy. The authors also posted a two-page summary of their perspective on Project Syndicate, "Economists Reconsider Industrial Policy." https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/new-economic-research-more-favorable-to-industrial-policy-by-dani-rodrik-et-al-2023-08 I offer the following observations as someone who's continuously worked in the U.S. industrial policy realm since 1978:

-- as a summer graduate intern in the industrial policy shop of Carter's Secretary of Commerce;

-- an MIT graduate research assistant (1978-82) to dissertation adviser Ben Harrison (Deindustrialization of America), the Energy Lab's photovoltaics program, and the International Motor Vehicle Program;

-- author of the manufacturing chapter of Ira Magaziner's RI Greenhouse Compact (1983 and the basis for my dissertation);

-- founder of two regional economic development consulting firms (1984-2004) (initial clients of our team: AK Gov. Bill Clinton and Burlington VT Mayor Bernie Sanders);

-- co-author of Brookings brief "Clusters and Competitiveness: A New Federal Role for Stimulating Regional Economies" (2008) which became the basis for EDA's regional industrial clusters program https://www.eda.gov/funding/programs/build-to-scale and which facilitated co-author Karen Mills becoming Obama's SBA Administrator and co-author Elisabeth Reynolds being Biden's supply chain assessment coordinator;

-- Industry Studies Association board member for industrial policy (2020-present) https://www.industrystudies.org/, the outgrowth of the Sloan Industry Studies Network (founded 1990) of 26 centers modeled on the MIT IMVP https://www.industrystudies.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49:research_centers&catid=19:site-content;

-- co-founder of the ISA's industrial policy webinar series;

-- publisher of the weekly ISA Industrial Policy and Strategy Update; and;

-- as public policy research professor at George Washington University, quarter-time staff to the American Economic Association's committees on government relations and economic statistics and consultant to Third Way's U.S. Clean Energy Industrial Strategy project.

-- From 2004 until industrial policy's revival, my focus was on improving the federal statistical system for economic decision-making and research, with a particular focus on the role of Decennial Census in the allocation of trillions in federal funding; stopping the dismantling of Economic Census, the American Community Survey, and the Survey of Business Owners; and keeping the citizenship question off the 2020 Census.

Observations for discussion:

1) In the capitalist framework, national economic competitiveness depends on the capabiity of the government to provide incentives that move the nation's businesses, the source of its economic well-being, towards greater international competitiveness. To achieve this end, economists apply the tools they know well, that is, they tend to think of industrial policy as top-down economic engineering in which analysts help policymakers determine the quantitative if-thens of competitiveness in individual sectors (e.g., semiconductors) and craft and implement programs based on the perceived if-then dynamics.

2) In practice, the economic engineering approach is difficult to make work for several reasons.

a) As technologies, markets, and each nation's competitiveness constantly change and so throw off the validity of any if-then beliefs as of the moment. The trick is to develop mechanisms that facilitate public-private consensus-building regarding responses to an ever-changing set of issues and opportunities.

i) In practice, it turns out that successful industrial policy relies on the collaborative (public-private) application of the principles of business strategy to each traded industry deemed key, e.g., chips, clean energy, AI. As a consequence, I find "industrial strategy" to be a more appropriate term than "industrial policy," as the latter implies an approach of "set and forget," which in my experience is a recipe for failure.

ii) Among the federal departments, in my view DOE has been the most successful in implementing this approach, largely because it's being headed by a former McKinsey business strategy consultant. See, for example, https://liftoff.energy.gov/ and https://www.energy.gov/policy/securing-americas-clean-energy-supply-chain

iii) Through this lens, an important contribution of the Juhász, Lane, Rodrik paper is the introduction of " the concept of “embedded autonomy,” borrowed from sociologist Peter Evans, to characterize an alternative model of regulation, based on iterative collaboration between government and firms."

iv) Again with DOE, a good example of this approach is Li-Bridge, which is focused on "the development of a robust and secure domestic supply chain for lithium-based batteries." https://www.anl.gov/li-bridge

v) The collaborative strategic approach has been applied successfully at the state and local level for the last 40 years. While it's much more complicated to do at the national scale, the principles are the same.

vi) Until recently, these regional efforts have been deemed "not interesting" by most economists, but that's changing. Dani Rodrik, mentioned earlier, and Gordon Hanson are carrying out the Reimagining the Economy project https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/wiener/programs/economy Also see Scott Stern et al. https://www.nber.org/books-and-chapters/role-innovation-and-entrepreneurship-economic-growth

b) While the U.S. has a very good federal economic statistics system for macroeconomic policymaking, it has a lousy one for industrial competitiveness. The latter requires current, reliable industry-specifiic statistics--not only on traditional measures of output, productivity, and wages but also trade in value-added (TiVA)--and we don't have that.

i) At the moment, the value of each import is assigned 100% to the last country that touched it and not allocated among all the nations that contributed value added. As a consequence, we can't satisfactorily measure the nature of U.S. competitiveness vis a vis other nations. Good news -- for FY2023, Congress gave Commerce money to boost TiVA data. https://www.bea.gov/data/special-topics/global-value-chains

ii) The U.S. has two separate systems of economic statistics by industry--one from Census and one from BLS--and about 1/3 of the establishments are assigned one NAICS code by Census and another by BLS. The result, for instance, is that BLS says the U.S. has about 200K chips production workers while Census says it has about 100K. The source of the problem is that Census is authorized to look at IRS tax data and BLS is not, so cannot sit down with Census to reconcile its business register listings with the Census Bureau's. For details, see p. 168 of FY2024 Treasury Green Book https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/131/General-Explanations-FY2024.pdf

iii) In developing the new Annual Integrated Economic Survey, Census found that about 1/4 of its case study establishments were misclassified in NAICS. This finding led me to ask OMB to direct Census to examine this problem and how it might be addressed, which OMB did in July. See terms of clearance at https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=202303-0607-003

iv) In a piece I wrote for the 2012 CAP series on industrial competitiveness, I discuss these issues but the last, which was new to me. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/economic-intelligence/

Continued in the next comment . . .

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