<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Noahpinion]]></title><description><![CDATA[Economics and other interesting stuff]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png</url><title>Noahpinion</title><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2026 09:06:20 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[noahpinion@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[noahpinion@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[noahpinion@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[noahpinion@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Noah, Brad DeLong, and Dan Wang discuss the Anthropic IPO]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Hexapodia Podcast is back!]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/noah-brad-delong-and-dan-wang-discuss</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/noah-brad-delong-and-dan-wang-discuss</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2026 07:59:29 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/223841880/216295e6323521ba10b0709764d11c1a.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many longtime fans of my Hexapodia podcast with Brad DeLong have been begging us to bring it back. Well, here it is! Hexapodia will now be a series of Substack Live conversations that you can tune in to, and which will be recorded as podcasts and sent out as emails. </p><p>Our first episode was a little rocky, as I got the time wrong and ended up arriving 20 minutes late. But Dan and Brad are both brilliant people, so you can watch them talk for a while before I show up! The topic of our discussion was the Anthropic IPO, inspired by my post about it last week:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;0c992698-3c45-463e-9036-bcf5f1b818a5&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Anthropic recently filed for IPO. At an estimated $1.5 to $2 trillion, it will be one of the biggest IPOs of all time, rivaling SpaceX, and possibly the biggest. For reference, Facebook&#8217;s valuation when it had its blockbuster IPO in 2012 was $104 billion, and Google&#8217;s valuation in 2004 was $23 billion. Anthropic will instantly become one of the world&#8217;s most valuable companies &#8212; Google itself is now worth $3.4 trillion, and Nvidia and Apple are both worth around $5 trillion.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Anthropic&#8217;s moat is Claude&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-02T11:03:51.832Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nln0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bdc77a3-c7e3-45e1-a044-c1158f08968f_1170x659.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_crop&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/anthropics-moat-is-claude&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:223102188,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:289,&quot;comment_count&quot;:70,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>I give the bull case for Anthropic, while Dan and Brad are both more skeptical. I think this quote sums up my side of the argument:</p><blockquote><p>My bull case [for Anthropic] is not envisioning a world where Anthropic rules all businesses, rules 100% of every industry, or close to it. I&#8217;m also not envisioning a case where AI replaces human beings in their jobs.</p><p>I&#8217;m envisioning a change in the <em>capital structure</em> of the efficiently producing economy. I&#8217;m envisioning&#8230;a world where in order to succeed in any industry, you must create a tie-up with a frontier AI company that offers you access to an internal proprietary frontier model that will be months ahead of any model distilled from it. And&#8230;that doing this will require not purchasing services&#8230;at arm&#8217;s length from that company, but tying up your capital structure with that company so that you become in some sense a subsidiary of that company. I am envisioning that. </p><p>So I&#8217;m saying that instead of something where&#8230;AI is like oil and everyone has to buy oil or the things made downstream from oil&#8230;instead of that sort of arm of length world, I&#8217;m envisioning a world in which every company in order to succeed must become a subsidiary of Anthropic, OpenAI, [or] Google&#8230;and Anthropic is simply the biggest of those fish in a oligopolistic ecosystem of a few conglomerates competing against each other via their little subsidiaries in every single industry at the same time.</p></blockquote><p>Interestingly, some economists at Google Deepmind just released a paper with a model in which this sort of thing happens. From the abstract of <a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2611.05417">Imas, Koh, and Legg (2026)</a>:</p><blockquote><p>When will advances in AI lead to economic transformation? We develop a model of how intelligence&#8230;matters for organizations&#8230;.AI expertise is reproducible while humans&#8217; are in fixed supply, and AIs may not face the same human limits on coordination&#8230;.When AI is more capable than the average human, organizations of complementary humans can nonetheless outperform AI. Increases in AI competence can change the composition of workers within firms and decrease firm size. As AI coordination improves, however, this can <strong>break the Coasean ceiling on firm size</strong> and the market structure undergoes <strong>a phase transition toward large, concentrated AI-heavy firms</strong>. [emphasis mine]</p></blockquote><p>I was envisioning a slightly more complex version, in which humans and AI are complements, where humans have private data that AI is better at using, and where one big conglomerate enters every industry but retains human workers. But I think Imas et al.&#8217;s model gets at some of the basic dynamics here. </p><p><em>Financial disclosure: I have no current position in Anthropic, but unless something major changes, I will probably buy Anthropic stock when it IPOs. 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Photo by Anonymousfox36 via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meituan_autonomous_delivery_vehicle_IMG001.jpg">Wikimedia Commons</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>When I tell people I&#8217;m becoming a China bear, they&#8217;re often surprised. &#8220;Weren&#8217;t you already a China bear?&#8221; they ask me. </p><p>Well, no. I&#8217;ve always been a China <em>bull</em> &#8212; I&#8217;ve always believed that China&#8217;s economic growth would be robust, that they would master advanced technologies, and that their geopolitical influence would grow. This is exactly why I was also always a China <em>hawk</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> &#8212; I recognized the very real possibility that China would become a global hegemon, and I didn&#8217;t especially want to live in a world ruled from Beijing. It&#8217;s why I advocated so strongly for friend-shoring, for export controls, and for military alliances to balance out China&#8217;s awesome and growing power.</p><p>This was true even as China began to show visible signs of weakness in <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-05-21/china-faces-end-of-fast-growth-that-made-it-biggest-economy">the late 2010s</a> and <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/china-is-flailing">early 2020s</a>. Xi Jinping proved himself <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/what-if-xi-jinping-just-isnt-that">less competent than his predecessors</a>, and the country&#8217;s real-estate-heavy growth model <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-chinas-economy-ran-off-the-rails">hit the skids</a>. But despite those stumbling blocks, I still predicted that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/will-this-be-the-chinese-century">this would be the Chinese Century</a>. The country had what seemed like unassailable advantages in human capital, market size, and state capacity, even as all of its possible rivals were convulsed by internal division. And the one thing that most people cite as China&#8217;s big weakness &#8212; demographic decline &#8212; <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/chinas-demographics-will-be-fine">never struck me as much of a threat</a> to the country&#8217;s power. </p><p>Now, however, for the first time I can remember, I&#8217;ve found myself becoming actually bearish on China. I still think it will be an immensely powerful country &#8212; perhaps the most powerful single country on the planet. I still think it will be at or near the forefront of technology, and that it will generally be a safe, moderately prosperous, and tolerable place for its people to live. But more and more, I&#8217;m starting to think that global hegemony of the type the U.S. enjoyed throughout most of the 20th century will be out of reach. I&#8217;m also starting to think that China&#8217;s bid for technological dominance is weaker than I had believed.</p><p>And just as my previous bullishness made me a hawk, my increasing bearishness makes me more of a China dove.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> I still think friend-shoring is important, export controls are good, and we need robust military alliances to make very sure China doesn&#8217;t try to conquer Asia. But I no longer feel the same sense of desperate urgency about these prudent measures &#8212; they feel more like an insurance policy now. </p><p>There are basically three reasons I&#8217;m revising my China expectations downward. The biggest reason is AI. China&#8217;s system is incredibly optimized for an era of technology and economic production that is very quickly coming to an end. AI will change everything, and modern China is not the kind of country that adapts well when everything changes. </p><p>The other reasons are less important but still worth mentioning. China&#8217;s new economic model &#8212; the government-supported push to capture all of global high-tech manufacturing &#8212; is not likely to succeed. And third, the country&#8217;s political situation appears to be deteriorating. Just as the Deng/Jiang/Hu era illustrated the strengths of authoritarian political systems, Xi Jinping is giving us a much-needed lesson on the weaknesses of those systems. His spiraling paranoia is turning the country inward, just as his economic policies are running out of steam.</p><p>Anyway, let&#8217;s start with those economic policies. This is an economics blog, after all.</p><h4>China&#8217;s manufacturing push is hitting its limits</h4><p>In a nutshell, Xi Jinping&#8217;s economic strategy is to dominate manufacturing &#8212; to have China be, in <a href="https://twitter.com/damienics/status/1278114690871300101">the words of Damien Ma</a>, the &#8220;make-everything country&#8221;. I&#8217;m increasingly convinced that this approach is already beginning to backfire.</p><p>Going all-in on manufacturing is a strategy you see a lot of developing countries use during their periods of rapid catch-up industrialization. And there are some good reasons for that. When you&#8217;re poor, what your people need most aren&#8217;t video games or dog-walking services, but houses and cars and refrigerators. Manufactured products are also easy to export, and poor countries don&#8217;t have big domestic markets to rely on. It might also be easier to reach the technological frontier in manufacturing, since you can reverse-engineer physical products more easily than services.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><p>Usually, as countries get rich and their needs evolve from the physical to the ephemeral, they move out of manufacturing and into services to some degree. But Xi Jinping decided that this was a mistake. He reasoned that if China continued to behave like a developing country forever, and promoted manufacturing at the expense of everything else, China could dominate the globe. </p><p>This was an interesting hypothesis, and it might have worked &#8212; indeed, there&#8217;s still some chance it might work. Militaries, after all, depend on manufacturing above all else, so in a big protracted WW2-style war, being the master of manufacturing might give you an automatic win. </p><p>And dominating key nodes in global supply chains lets you use export controls to bully other countries without actually bombing them. In fact, China is <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/02/world/asia/china-us-exports-ai-solar.html">doing this more and more</a>, using export controls on everything from tunnel-boring machines to rare earths to drones to medicines as bludgeons to force other nations to do its bidding.</p><p>In order to make China dominate global manufacturing, Xi unleashed a wave of industrial policy bigger than any the world had ever seen, spending <a href="https://www.imf.org/en/publications/wp/issues/2025/08/07/industrial-policy-in-china-quantification-and-impact-on-misallocation-568888">about 4% of GDP per year</a> on subsidizing manufacturing industries &#8212; usually through cheap bank loans, but sometimes just by sending cash directly. </p><p>For a while, this seemed to be working spectacularly. A<a href="https://www.unido.org/sites/default/files/unido-publications/2024-11/The%20Future%20of%20Industrialization%20-%20Building%20Future-ready%20Industries%20to%20Turn%20Challenges%20into%20Sustainable%20Solutions.pdf"> 2024 paper by UNIDO</a> got a lot of attention for predicting that China&#8217;s share of global manufacturing would be 45% by 2030 &#8212; equal to the United States right after World War 2. But <a href="https://x.com/gdp1985/status/2106486955441586434">cooler heads pointed out</a> that China&#8217;s manufacturing share growth had already slowed; <a href="https://www.cogitations.co/p/industrial-colossus-china-vs-1950s">more reasonable predictions</a> put its 2030 share at maybe 35-36% &#8212; still enormous, but more like America in the 1960s or the early 1920s. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg" width="958" height="639" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!saJ2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafb8d052-5c2e-4a45-b32d-8d7d1f8203f8_958x639.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/gdp1985/status/2106486955441586434">Gerard DiPippo</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And in U.S. dollar terms, China&#8217;s share peaked during the pandemic and has been drifting down since then:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ukAf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc62738cc-6a2c-4bb8-a6f9-3967a03dc44a_1080x658.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ukAf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc62738cc-6a2c-4bb8-a6f9-3967a03dc44a_1080x658.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ukAf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc62738cc-6a2c-4bb8-a6f9-3967a03dc44a_1080x658.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ukAf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc62738cc-6a2c-4bb8-a6f9-3967a03dc44a_1080x658.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ukAf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc62738cc-6a2c-4bb8-a6f9-3967a03dc44a_1080x658.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ukAf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc62738cc-6a2c-4bb8-a6f9-3967a03dc44a_1080x658.jpeg" width="692" height="421.6074074074074" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/YCCMacro/status/2116621232632193437">YCC Macro</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>In fact, despite Xi&#8217;s push, manufacturing is a shrinking share of China&#8217;s economy. China is now less industrial than South Korea, despite being less than half as rich:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aFf5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5e5f0c6-b82d-45e2-a89c-fb1e7b823b58_905x732.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aFf5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5e5f0c6-b82d-45e2-a89c-fb1e7b823b58_905x732.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!aFf5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe5e5f0c6-b82d-45e2-a89c-fb1e7b823b58_905x732.jpeg 848w, 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Unlike South Korea, China is a very large country. That means most of China&#8217;s manufacturing production is going to have to go to the <em>domestic market</em>. Even if other countries don&#8217;t slap big tariffs on your products, export markets will simply <em>saturate</em>. One of the most reliable empirical laws in all of economics is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_model_of_trade">the gravity model of trade</a>, which says that trade volumes drop off rapidly with distance. </p><p>Of course, some countries <em>will </em>put tariffs on China. The EU recently <a href="https://x.com/SanderTordoir/status/2117668900611522561?s=19">forced China to make a deal to limit auto imports</a>, and if that doesn&#8217;t work, stronger measures <a href="https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-eu-china-trade-relations-have-deteriorated">are likely</a>. That will only accelerate the natural saturation of China&#8217;s export markets.</p><p>And despite everything you&#8217;ve read about the &#8220;Second China Shock&#8221; and the big export boom, China is still far less export-intensive than Korea, and that&#8217;s not going to change:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uMsu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3ed9e3-8f6d-43d0-a4dc-ee6ca49a31ed_922x715.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uMsu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3ed9e3-8f6d-43d0-a4dc-ee6ca49a31ed_922x715.jpeg 424w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uMsu!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3ed9e3-8f6d-43d0-a4dc-ee6ca49a31ed_922x715.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uMsu!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3ed9e3-8f6d-43d0-a4dc-ee6ca49a31ed_922x715.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uMsu!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3ed9e3-8f6d-43d0-a4dc-ee6ca49a31ed_922x715.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uMsu!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e3ed9e3-8f6d-43d0-a4dc-ee6ca49a31ed_922x715.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS?end=2025&amp;locations=CN-KR&amp;start=2004">World Bank</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>China simply <em>can&#8217;t</em> be Giant Korea; it&#8217;s so big that its manufacturers need to rely on its domestic market. But that domestic market is becoming saturated even faster than the global market. Profits in <a href="https://x.com/michaelxpettis/status/2117146201518698923?s=19">the auto sector</a>, the <a href="https://asia.nikkei.com/business/materials/chinese-steel-industry-losses-snowball-as-demand-falls-and-costs-rise">steel sector</a>, the <a href="https://www.csis.org/analysis/chinas-solar-industry-upheaval-effects-will-be-global">solar sector</a>, and many other manufacturing industries are all collapsing. Weak domestic demand from China&#8217;s real estate bust has encountered massive oversupply from government subsidies, and the result is that few companies in China are making much money. That will force lots of businesses to close and consolidate, and it will starve dynamic private-sector companies of R&amp;D budgets, forcing them to rely more on research handed down by the distant, unresponsive, and unaccountable government. </p><p>Government subsidies can keep the party going a lot longer than it ought to, but already the limits have probably been reached. Chinese manufacturing indicators <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-31/china-factory-activity-manufacturing-purchasing-managers-index-services">are faltering</a>, and manufacturing investment <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-15/china-s-consumption-and-investment-wilt-as-factories-power-ahead">seems to have topped out as well</a>. </p><p>In fact, this isn&#8217;t even the only example of Xi Jinping taking a developing-country strategy and pushing it far beyond its limits. Infrastructure is another. For many years, China invested huge amounts into building more roads and bridges and high-speed trains than they knew what to do with. But there was a limit to that process, and China has now hit the limit. <a href="https://www.economist.com/china/2026/10/29/chinas-investment-in-transport-infrastructure-has-peaked">The Economist reports</a> that China&#8217;s infrastructure investment has leveled off:</p><blockquote><p>China&#8217;s years-long splurge on bridges, tunnels, expressways, high-speed rail and airports is beginning to tail off&#8230;In July this year a senior transport official said China&#8217;s main transport network was &#8220;91% complete&#8221;, and the country would pivot from expanding to upgrading existing infrastructure.</p></blockquote><p>But it isn&#8217;t so easy weaning yourself off of infrastructure overinvestment. China built so much infrastructure that it will have to spend a lot of money just to upkeep all those roads, trains, and bridges. That&#8217;s the iron logic of depreciation. And since much of China&#8217;s infrastructure isn&#8217;t really carrying many passengers or much cargo, that means China is stuck spending a significant fraction of its GDP upkeeping stuff that people don&#8217;t really need &#8212; unless, of course, it chooses to let some of that infrastructure decay into ruin. </p><p>All of this means growth will slow. And of course, it&#8217;s all happening against the backdrop of weak demand from the continuing, protracted fallout from China&#8217;s real estate bust. There are signs that the real economic damage in that sector is only getting started:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg" width="698" height="469.8076923076923" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_yxd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40310fcb-2734-4166-84da-f98f19119522_936x630.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2114847475743818202?s=19">The Kobeissi Letter</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><a href="https://x.com/rus_analit/status/2116434471629074589?s=19">Weak domestic demand</a> won&#8217;t just be a drag on China&#8217;s headline growth &#8212; it will also make it harder for China&#8217;s manufacturing sector to maintain its 30% global market share, much less expand it to 35% or more. Xi seems to think that China can just sort of pull resources off of real estate development and put them into manufacturing, one for one, like a corporate manager reassigning engineers to a different project. But it doesn&#8217;t work like that; <em>demand matters</em>, and China&#8217;s manufacturing triumphs in past decades depended heavily on the tailwind that the long property boom had been delivering. </p><p><a href="https://www.sinification.org/p/conversations-an-interview-with-yao?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Chinese economists realize this</a>, but Xi seems to have stopped listening to economists, and to have purged his government of anyone who was inclined to listen.</p><p>(And of course as the years go by, China&#8217;s accelerating population decline will reduce its domestic market size by more and more, compounding the pressure on manufacturing. I don&#8217;t expect this to be a big factor until at least 2040 or so, but it&#8217;s worth mentioning.)</p><p>In other words, Xi&#8217;s &#8220;make-everything country&#8221; strategy is likely to see only modest short-term success. It will not let China conquer the world. And the failure of this strategy will come just as a massive new technological revolution upends the global economy &#8212; a revolution that China, despite all reports, is not well-prepared to take advantage of.</p><h4>China will probably flub the Age of AI</h4>
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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Photo by Conlan Houston via <a href="https://openverse.org/image/cca7af09-6e88-401c-99d6-4bc703a3c6b2?q=abdul+el-sayed&amp;p=4">Openverse</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Democrats won a historic victory in Tuesday&#8217;s election. It was the best possible outcome &#8212; Donald Trump has made so many mistakes, engaged in such flagrant corruption, and committed such egregious acts that for his party not to have been <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/11/trump-midterm-results-schadenfreude/689277/">punished at the polls</a> would have boded poorly for America&#8217;s future. But as it is, I&#8217;m cautiously encouraged &#8212; <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/normal-americans-punished-maga">normal Americans reasserted control</a>, delivering a rebuke to the extremists who had used a moment of division and chaos to seize the commanding heights of power in our country. </p><p>It was the biggest midterm wave <a href="https://x.com/davidshor/status/2118126296240689185">in half a century</a>. Obama&#8217;s midterm loss in 2010 and Trump&#8217;s in 2018 don&#8217;t even come close. You have to go all the way back to 1974 and 1976 to find wipeouts like this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2i4L!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcde40273-129e-4410-b7b8-8e440133e1e7_961x691.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2i4L!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcde40273-129e-4410-b7b8-8e440133e1e7_961x691.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!2i4L!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcde40273-129e-4410-b7b8-8e440133e1e7_961x691.jpeg 848w, 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pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.economist.com/interactive/graphic-detail/2026/11/04/the-democrats-extraordinary-triumph-explained">The Economist</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Wait&#8230;1974 and 1976? 1974 was the year Nixon resigned due to Watergate, and 1976 was the year Jimmy Carter was elected president. Did either of those election victories herald an era of Democratic dominance in America? No, they did not. In fact, the GOP bounced back shortly afterwards, dominated American politics in the 1980s, and pulled the country to the right for decades.</p><p>So before they go patting themselves on the back for winning everything, forever, Democrats should think about that history of brief success followed by long-term failure, and ponder how to avoid a similar outcome this time. After Hannibal won a great victory, one of his generals is said to have told him: &#8220;You know how to win a victory, Hannibal; you do not know how to use it.&#8221; The Democrats must figure out how to use their victory. </p><p>That&#8217;s a tricky question. Democrats now control Congress, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re <em>in power</em>; Trump can and will veto most legislation they pass. With their limited capabilities, the Dems have to do the following, all at once:</p><ol><li><p>Block as many of Trump&#8217;s bad policies as possible</p></li><li><p>Keep the spotlight on Trump even though he&#8217;s now a lame duck</p></li><li><p>Demonstrate a clear ideology and a clear plan to the American people despite not being able to pass much legislation</p></li></ol><p>That&#8217;s possible to do, especially if &#8212; as seems very likely &#8212; Trump keeps being corrupt and making mistakes and alienating the country. The Dems won the 2006 midterms, and went on to put Obama in the White House two years later. Trump seems like he&#8217;s on a similar track:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/NateSilver538/status/2118130663631081699&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;I know the \&quot;smart\&quot; conventional wisdom is that midterms don't predict future election results. But then I look at this. And 2006 is the only modern lame-duck term with a wave like this. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;NateSilver538&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Nate Silver&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1771254203358355456/BZFn0E-J_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T23:57:57.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWUcaunXgAAOHch.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/MZYwkXj37f&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:49,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:124,&quot;like_count&quot;:1816,&quot;impression_count&quot;:164608,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>But it doesn&#8217;t <em>always</em> happen &#8212; the GOP lost to Obama in 2012 after their big midterm wave in 2010, and the Dems barely eked out a victory over Trump in 2020 (with a lot of help from Covid) after winning the midterms in 2018. </p><p>If Democrats are going to translate midterm success into presidential victory &#8212; to say nothing of long-term partisan dominance &#8212; they&#8217;re going to have to work hard at rebuilding their brand, their sales pitch, and their policy platform after the disastrous years of 2016-2024. </p><h4>This was a center-left victory</h4><p>One important point, which a lot of other people have already made, is that the big Democratic wave was mostly won by moderate Democrats. Here&#8217;s <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/04/us/politics/moderate-democrats-midterms.html">the NYT</a>:</p><blockquote><p>For much of the midterm campaign, progressive Democratic insurgents commanded the spotlight&#8230;But the path to Democrats&#8217; sweeping victory this week, when they seized control of both chambers of Congress, was paved overwhelmingly by moderates who had spent months persuading voters in Republican-leaning states and competitive congressional districts&#8230;</p><p>The scale of moderate gains was reflected in the growing ranks of the centrist groups on Capitol Hill. The Blue Dog Coalition, a caucus of moderate and conservative Democrats in the House, announced on Wednesday that it had added at least 14 to its ranks, nearly doubling in size, and other centrist groups including the New Democrats and Problem Solvers strengthened their numbers substantially.</p></blockquote><p>Some of this is purely mechanical. Far-left types tend to win by unseating moderate Dems in primaries in deep-blue districts and states, while moderates tend to win in swing districts and states; thus, when a wave is bigger and the Dems win more swing districts and states, moderates tend to do proportionally better than leftists.</p><p>However, there are signs that this election cycle actually represented a broad endorsement of moderate center-leftism. Ballot initiatives have <a href="https://x.com/cartoon_magoo/status/2117876175880233264">rejected various leftist policies</a> all over the country, and leftist candidates have been losing to center-left ones in deep blue strongholds:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AO6F!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe24741e-e801-461a-baf8-1347e2d9a8aa_740x465.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AO6F!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe24741e-e801-461a-baf8-1347e2d9a8aa_740x465.jpeg 424w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/elaifresh/status/2118039881561821294&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Looking like across the board wipeout for DSA SF and the progressive wing.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;elaifresh&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Elai&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1855667672710631424/6j4jub7X_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T17:57:13.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;revised with DSA's full recommendation list (beyond endorsements)\n\nmissed because DSA's voter guide webpage is so long that Claude gave up lmao&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;elaifresh&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Elai&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1855667672710631424/6j4jub7X_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVViVpUbgAA_hbn.png&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/qjXw8tmtb3&quot;},{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVViWB9b0AADzhA.png&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/qjXw8tmtb3&quot;}]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:10,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:20,&quot;like_count&quot;:281,&quot;impression_count&quot;:16519,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>And leftist candidates have generally performed more weakly at the ballot box:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YpIP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dec4181-4613-47dd-ad1f-ec8e4b0c5008_1329x476.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YpIP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dec4181-4613-47dd-ad1f-ec8e4b0c5008_1329x476.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YpIP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dec4181-4613-47dd-ad1f-ec8e4b0c5008_1329x476.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YpIP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dec4181-4613-47dd-ad1f-ec8e4b0c5008_1329x476.jpeg 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.imightbewrong.org/p/how-leftists-and-moderates-did-in">Jeff Maurer</a></figcaption></figure></div><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CJG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f674d63-5da1-41b1-ac1f-a44800606eeb_1328x495.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3CJG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0f674d63-5da1-41b1-ac1f-a44800606eeb_1328x495.jpeg" width="1328" height="495" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.imightbewrong.org/p/how-leftists-and-moderates-did-in">Jeff Maurer</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>What&#8217;s more, many of the most prominent Democrats who won high-profile races this year have explicitly endorsed centrist positions on key issues:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/TheRealERS/status/2118001215653155069&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;El-Sayed is tough on the border\nTalarico is pro-oil and gas\nAndrews is a deficit hawk\nHamilton is a megachurch pastor\nActon wants tax cuts\n\nWelcome to the post-factional Democratic Party!&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;TheRealERS&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Evan Roth Smith&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1820882720995651584/QVySTLRY_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T15:23:35.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:67,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:199,&quot;like_count&quot;:3740,&quot;impression_count&quot;:281464,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/pitdesi/status/2118054566142886018&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Talarico agrees with Trump on securing the border and cutting red tape for housing\n\nGood start  &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;pitdesi&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Sheel Mohnot&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1998468623392788480/dS-ftLeP_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T18:55:34.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MUfN!,w_1028,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep/l_play_button_usfui2,w_88,e_colorize:0/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F__ss-rehost__tw-video-preview-13_2118028137619427328.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/ziUmmlA1WG&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:19,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:30,&quot;like_count&quot;:982,&quot;impression_count&quot;:98947,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:&quot;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2118028137619427328/vid/avc1/1280x720/icDGXxQP7T_olOYf.mp4?tag=16&quot;,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:&quot;13_2118028137619427328&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Nor have many prominent Dems <a href="https://x.com/daveweigel/status/2118355869750436025">done the kind of &#8220;woke&#8221; cultural signaling</a> that they regularly did in 2020 and 2022.</p><p>There are two parts of the basic story here. First, the &#8220;woke&#8221; cultural wave of the 2010s, which peaked in 2020-21, continues to slowly recede. You can see this in continued voter support for conservative positions on cultural issues like trans sports:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/epkaufm/status/2117929733136810211&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;52% of midterm voters say support for trans rights has gone too far vs. 26% saying not far enough. \n\nProgressives should not take the result as an endorsement of their views. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;epkaufm&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Eric Kaufmann&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1668976437565480965/Urf64a2W_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T10:39:32.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWRlhvBXQAABkKS.png&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/NOimYHrGI8&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:47,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:238,&quot;like_count&quot;:2260,&quot;impression_count&quot;:88708,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Second, voters have not yet embraced the socialist movement, as demonstrated by the relatively weak performances of Bernie Sanders-endorsed candidates and the failure of the billionaire tax in California. </p><p>That means that Democrats understand that this 2026 midterm victory is a contingent and fragile one. Normal Americans have risen from their apathetic torpor and their jaded hyperpartisan paralysis, and are prepared to punish extremists of either party:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/CEBKCEBKCEBK/status/2117878708929433822&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Swing voters actually exist now. Even within demos there are huge flip-flops&#8212;eg young white men favored GOP by ~4 points in 2020, by ~15 points in 2022, by ~28 points in 2024, &amp;amp; by *negative* ~17 points now. Party &amp;amp; ideology are now playful shifting identities. Lots of potential.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;CEBKCEBKCEBK&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ceb K.&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1986616281332695040/D6poMa31_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T07:16:47.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWQ3dfIW4AAedE3.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/wA7hm9iQgp&quot;},{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWQ3de_WkAEIuto.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/wA7hm9iQgp&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Democrats won young white men tonight by 17 points, per CNN exits\n\nTrump won them *28 points* in 2024&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;PeterHamby&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Peter Hamby&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2047403150244724736/qSGxrYJz_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:23,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:57,&quot;like_count&quot;:643,&quot;impression_count&quot;:76902,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>The normie uprising has brought center-left Dems to the fore, and it has also forced more progressive Dems to tone down or strategically compromise their more extreme positions. </p><p>But moderation itself is neither an ideology nor a policy program, and herein lies the big challenge for the Dems over the next year and a half or so.</p><h4>The headless Dems</h4><p>Right now, my assessment is that most Democratic voters &#8212; including Independents and swing voters who lean toward the Dems &#8212; aren&#8217;t thinking very hard about how the country ought to be governed or what the future of America should look like. They&#8217;re simply thinking short-term thoughts about the immediate threat. They hate Trump and MAGA, and they want them gone, and it&#8217;s really as simple as that.</p><p>Nate Silver calls this &#8220;Heather Cox Richardsonism&#8221;, after the extremely popular Substack politics-and-history blogger Heather Cox Richardson:</p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:181763210,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.natesilver.net/p/what-is-heather-cox-richardsonism&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1198116,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Silver Bulletin&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KNHm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffa3bc773-0fa2-4da7-a32e-baf91e413e79_1000x1000.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;What is Heather Cox Richardsonism?&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;First, it was Blueskyism. Now, it&#8217;s &#8220;Heather Cox Richardsonism&#8221;? 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Now, it&#8217;s &#8220;Heather Cox Richardsonism&#8221;? Given the changes to the algorithm, tweets don&#8217;t really &#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">a year ago &#183; 1248 likes &#183; 228 comments &#183; Nate Silver</div></a></div><p>Silver wrote:</p><blockquote><p>The third faction [of the Dems is] <strong>Richardsonism</strong> or a term I&#8217;ll treat as synonymous with it: <strong>#Resistance Libs</strong>. They&#8217;re <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-the-no-kings-day-protest-reveals-about-support-for-political-violence-in-america/">older, with extremely high educational attainment, predominantly female, and very highly politically engaged</a>. This is the audience for a cluster of political activism encompassing things such as the <a href="https://www.axios.com/2025/10/20/washington-dc-no-kings-trump-protest-snapshot-survey-report">No Kings protests</a> and some highly popular anti-Trump Substacks<sup> </sup><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/07/style/jennifer-welch-ive-had-it-podcast.html">along with certain prominent podcasts</a> and much of Bluesky.</p></blockquote><p>Nate has a bunch of criticisms of &#8220;Heather Cox Richardsonism&#8221;, most of which I disagree with. I <em>like</em> Heather Cox Richardson. I <em>like</em> suburban moms who listen to NPR all day and who feel physically ill when they see Donald Trump on a screen. Their instincts are good. Trump is an extremely bad president &#8212; and not just bad, but uniquely bad, in ways that are degrading the long-term stability and effectiveness of the United States itself. It&#8217;s eminently reasonable and understandable to be mad about this, even to the exclusion of all other political viewpoints and causes. As for the No Kings protests, they seem to line up perfectly with &#8212; and probably contributed to &#8212; this week&#8217;s midterm results. </p><p>And for most regular people, being mad about Trump is enough. Most citizens are not political philosophers or movement leaders or intellectuals. It&#8217;s not reasonable to ask them to think about where the country should go <em>after </em>Trump, or what ideologies and ideas should guide us in the absence of such imminent threats.</p><p>But <em>someone </em>has to think about those things. Otherwise Democrats will prove just as unable to govern as Trump was &#8212; well, maybe 70% as unable to govern, which will be bad enough. And our politics will continue to be an endless series of backlash-to-the-backlash-to-the-backlash, as each party focuses all its energy on getting to the day of the revolution and none of its energy on what happens the next morning. </p><p>Right now, the problem with Resistance Liberalism is that it&#8217;s <em>headless</em>. In Trump&#8217;s first term, the Resistance was animated by various identity movements, unified by the idea of a struggle against structural racism, misogyny, and so on. Hillary Clinton made a conscious choice to frame her 2016 campaign as a battle of antiracism versus Trumpian racism, Kamala Harris did something similar in 2020, and Joe Biden quietly let his administration push what would have previously been considered <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/19/magazine/scotus-transgender-care-tennessee-skrmetti.html">extreme versions</a> of various <a href="https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/fact-sheet-president-biden-signs-executive-order-advancing-diversity-equity-inclusion-and">identitarian social causes</a>. </p><p>In fact, the American public still thought those versions were extreme, and punished Democrats in the polls accordingly. The <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/09/27/last-ditch-lesbian-bar-massachusetts-shows-how-woke-is-retreat/">end of the woke revolution</a> lopped the head off of the Resistance &#8212; it left them with all of the same rage, but without a vision of a future America. </p><p>As I see it, there are basically three factions vying to replace identity politics as the guiding ethos of the Resistance. These are:</p><ol><li><p>The leftists &#8212; Abdul El-Sayed, Zohran Mamdani, Bernie Sanders, and so on</p></li><li><p>The Warrenite progressive intellectuals</p></li><li><p>The Abundance movement</p></li></ol><p>Each of these has deep flaws that I think will end up basically disqualifying it.</p><p>The leftists are organized, purposeful, disciplined, and driven, and they probably <em>want </em>the job of leadership more than the other factions. But their movement has some fatal weaknesses that make it a bad choice to lead the Dems. First of all, the leftists are intensely <em>factional</em>, focusing relentlessly on knifing the Democratic establishment rather than building a big tent. </p><p>Second, their policies tend to be so <em>extreme </em>that they overreach and backfire. The failure of the California billionaire tax is a case in point. Americans <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/19/most-americans-continue-to-favor-raising-taxes-on-corporations-higher-income-households/">want to tax the rich more</a>, but the billionaire tax was so extreme and poorly designed that voters didn&#8217;t just reject it &#8212; they approved a competing ballot proposition <em><a href="https://calmatters.org/politics/2026/11/billionaire-tax-prop-42-result/">forbidding</a></em><a href="https://calmatters.org/politics/2026/11/billionaire-tax-prop-42-result/"> such taxes</a> in the future.</p><p>Third, leftists instinctively ally themselves with bad people and bad causes. Leftist streamer Hasan Piker <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/hasan-piker-is-bad-for-the-democrats">has praised terrorists</a> and <a href="https://x.com/KelseyTuoc/status/2040247308894511589?lang=en">supported Vladimir Putin&#8217;s seizure</a> of Crimea, incoming leftist congresswoman Darializa Avila Chevalier founded a group <a href="https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations">claiming to be dedicated</a> to &#8220;the total eradication of Western Civilization&#8221;, and so on. </p><p>And fourth, although leftism is sometimes viewed as an <em>alternative </em>to wokeness, leftists themselves tend to be very woke. Just for fun, check out <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ">the famous footage</a> from the 2019 DSA convention, or watch this widely mocked display from Representative Ro Khanna:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/RoKhanna/status/2117850539044008142&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;DEI is back! &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;RoKhanna&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ro Khanna&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1370100950086615041/CDHmaPbH_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T05:24:50.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!apnQ!,w_1028,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep/l_play_button_usfui2,w_88,e_colorize:0/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F__ss-rehost__tw-video-preview-13_2117850511411998720.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/ISsdTCwtzq&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:4376,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:878,&quot;like_count&quot;:6654,&quot;impression_count&quot;:2187255,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:&quot;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2117850511411998720/vid/avc1/480x854/APZHLysGqA97R-81.mp4&quot;,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:&quot;13_2117850511411998720&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>These shortcomings ought to prove fatal to the leftists&#8217; chances of taking over the American left &#8212; and they probably will. </p><p>The second faction vying to take over the Resistance are the Warrenite intellectuals, who are <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-poverty-of-anti-tech-thought">laser-focused on attacking the rich</a> &#8212; specifically, the rich people in the tech industry. Although Warren failed to catch fire in 2019, her faction had great success putting its people into positions of power during the Biden years. </p><p>But it kind of backfired. <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/im-kind-of-over-the-whole-anti-monopoly">The New Antitrust movement</a> got little done in a practical sense, and more fundamentally it failed to advance any kind of rewrite for our antitrust law. Years of frothing with rage against Mark Zuckerberg and the old FAANG companies just ended up looking silly when AI came along and disrupted their business models. The intellectual movement <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-poverty-of-anti-tech-thought">to &#8220;steer&#8221; the development of AI</a> toward more pro-worker technologies (whatever that would even look like) is going nowhere.</p><p>In addition to being composed primarily of a bunch of egghead intellectuals who routinely fail to catch fire with voters, the Warrenites have a fatal flaw &#8212; they&#8217;ve <em>chosen the wrong target</em>. Democrats are entirely focused on hating Trump, while the Warrenites are focused on hating Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos. Americans just fundamentally aren&#8217;t that mad at the fact that Zuckerberg and Bezos are rich. They generally <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/elon-musk-officially-most-unpopular-161214965.html?guccounter=1&amp;guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&amp;guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANtGmtGiQ6V4_2S8XMxBQt8I3RA-pwbKaGQGFVbRiDY2glf2uGSx4NEtTS1DJ4crmWXNeuGMg1eac0TAEEx_Vaf2-D2N_3Az98IwpdkYxLbYeiyKZYoDNYzuXn0evrapka6t5u-RDNB7lZ0FXFMvnWwjr4HPq8Wb704n8X0lKjAV">despise Elon Musk</a>, but only for his right-wing activities and his online attitude &#8212; when he was just a businessman selling electric cars and reusable rockets, they didn&#8217;t mind his billions. </p><p>The Warrenites are simply never going to convince the nation that the billionaire techbros, rather than the rightists of MAGA, are the biggest threat to our way of life.</p><p>Anyway, the third faction is Abundance. Of the three, this would definitely be my choice if I had to pick, since I really like <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/book-review-abundance">what the Abundance movement stands for</a>. Abundance policies, like the bipartisan permitting reform bill now making its way through Congress, are both smarter and more politically feasible than almost all of what the leftists and Warrenites want to do. </p><p>The problem with Abundance is that it&#8217;s primarily an <em>intellectual </em>movement, not a political one. It&#8217;s all about policy &#8212; about whispering in the ears of princes, rather than marching in the streets. Abundance&#8217;s leaders are nice guys like Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson who just want to see everybody be happy and get a puppy. </p><p>And all of the Abundance ideas, to a rounding error, are good ones. Many of them are going to get implemented, especially concerning housing and energy. But they will do so because elites &#8212; including <a href="https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-housing-yimby-rent-stabilization-new-york-left/">some leftists</a> and some Republicans &#8212; will be intellectually convinced that they are good things to do, not because they have the ability to harness and direct years of pent-up anti-Trump anger. Abundance will win, but it will not win all the things the Democrats would need it to win. </p><p>The Democrats need something more than any of these movements has to offer. They need an ethos that both inspires popular passion and has a chance of pragmatically working. They need something that will give regular, normie Americans &#8212; the voters who just rose up to throw out the GOP &#8212; a reason to believe in the future, and a reason to believe that the Democrats can take them to that future.</p><p>That ideology exists. It was harnessed by FDR and his successors a century ago, first to fight the Depression, then to win World War 2, and finally to build the modern society that came after the war. I&#8217;m talking about <em>liberal nationalism</em>:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;5c260f7f-0cb3-47dd-966c-ba48d0cb1968&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Back when I started blogging in 2011, I saw my main function as technocratic &#8212; I would discuss policy ideas with other intellectual econ types, and wise policymakers at the Fed, in Congress, or in the Obama administration might put those ideas into practice. Since 2016, however, technocracy has felt less and less important, and policymaking has felt mor&#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;America needs liberal nationalism back&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-05-29T09:42:27.127Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_ESV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F40e4d2f0-7a93-41ee-a8e0-1e5ca00a4cdd_1024x683.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_crop&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-needs-liberal-nationalism&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:199694721,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:603,&quot;comment_count&quot;:85,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>Here&#8217;s what I wrote in that post half a year ago:</p><p>In the 20th century, America had an ideology that was committed to forging a single national identity from a dizzying array of backgrounds. That ideology was <strong>liberal nationalism</strong>&#8230;</p><blockquote><p>FDR ended forced assimilation policies for Native Americans, and gave them <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Reorganization_Act">greater autonomy</a> on tribal lands. He maintained a group of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cabinet">Black advisors</a>, created plenty of programs to help Black people economically, created <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom%27s_People">cultural programs</a> to publicize Black achievement, and <a href="https://www.loc.gov/collections/slave-narratives-from-the-federal-writers-project-1936-to-1938/about-this-collection/">preserved the testimonials</a> of former slaves. He created campaigns <a href="https://pcusa.org/news-storytelling/news/2026/2/26/history-brotherhood-week">promoting interfaith understanding and cooperation</a>, helping to reduce America&#8217;s traditional anti-Catholic prejudice as well as antisemitism. His Federal Writers Project employed writers to document America&#8217;s cultural diversity&#8230;FDR also strongly promoted the notion of America as a nation of immigrants &#8212; an idea that still deeply holds sway over the American psyche, despite rightists&#8217; attempts to get rid of it&#8230;</p><p>FDR and the liberal nationalists were not modern multicultural progressives. They strongly believed in<em> national unity</em>. This obviously meant patriotism, respect for American institutions, and a shared sense of national purpose during World War 2, but it also meant a lot more. FDR and the New Dealers &#8212; and especially <a href="https://ohiomemory.ohiohistory.org/archives/2656">the Office of War Information</a> &#8212; advanced the notion that America had a unifying culture, set of democratic ideals, sense of history, and way of life that transcended Americans&#8217; different backgrounds. The history of the New Deal is <a href="https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-2402-i-am-american-day-1940">littered with examples</a> of attempts to forge American-ness into a sort of shared civic religion.</p></blockquote><p>The Democrats can have liberal nationalism back if they want. Moderate figures like Jon Ossoff and James Talarico can use Rooseveltian pluralistic patriotism just like Barack Obama did, in order to go beyond good-governance centrism and opposition to Donald Trump. The intellectuals of the Abundance movement can use liberal nationalism to add passion to their policies &#8212; after all, isn&#8217;t it precisely because we&#8217;re Americans that we deserve material abundance?</p><p>Right now, Americans hold a bunch of basically Rooseveltian beliefs, and many Democrats still have the Rooseveltian instincts they&#8217;ve inherited from their party&#8217;s past. But we&#8217;re still not to the point where liberal nationalism has filled the vacuum of passion and inspiration left by the demise of &#8220;Woke 1.0&#8221;. The Democrats have a year and a half to resuscitate that vision. </p><p>Doing so will require some clashes &#8212; with leftists who believe that America is an evil empire, with Warrenites who want to destroy big tech companies instead of harnessing them to the national purpose, and with identitarian activists who believe that promoting a unified national culture is a form of racist oppression. But if this is not undertaken, the Democrats will either continue to drift aimlessly from backlash to backlash, or fall under the sway of highly suboptimal captains.</p><h4>Building the future in opposition</h4><p>There&#8217;s also the more pragmatic question of what Dems should actually <em>do </em>over the next two years, while they hold Congress but not the presidency. This is an inherently difficult problem, because Trump can just veto almost any legislation the Dems pass. The usual tactic here is to just obstruct anything the president wants to do, hoping that making the president&#8217;s term in office look like a failure will help the opposition in the next election. </p><p>But I believe Democrats can do better than this. First of all they can, and should, investigate Trump and his family and friends for corruption. Corruption turned out to be a <em>huge</em> issue in these midterms &#8212; even more important than I realized it would be.</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/TimAlberta/status/2118016087224983872&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;National exit (sample: 79,668) -- Importance of issues to your vote:\n\nGOVERNMENT CORRUPTION\nCrucial/Major - 90%\nMinor/No factor - 10%\n\nCOST OF LIVING\nCrucial/Major - 89%\nMinor/No factor - 11%\n\nIRAN WAR\nCrucial/Major - 74%\nMinor/No factor - 26%\n\nIMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT&#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;TimAlberta&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Tim Alberta&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1669380187882913793/l827Db_8_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T16:22:40.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:65,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:704,&quot;like_count&quot;:2165,&quot;impression_count&quot;:440501,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Even in opposition, Democrats can shine some sunlight on the Trump administration&#8217;s seemingly endless parade of dirty deeds. And in fact, it looks as if <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/after-taking-control-of-congress-democrats-vow-major-probes-into-trumps-tentacles-of-corruption">this is going to happen</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Corruption topped the list of concerns for voters who ousted Republicans&#8230;Now, the newly empowered Democratic Party is putting the issue front and center&#8230;Senior Democrats in both chambers of Congress have vowed to marshal the subpoena powers and larger investigative staffs that come with their soon-to-be majorities to probe what they say is the self-enrichment that President Donald Trump and people in his orbit have done at the public&#8217;s expense&#8230;</p><p>House Democrats are preparing a vast oversight agenda to look at how Trump and his family have become wealthier since he returned to office&#8230;Garcia, the top Democrat on the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has outlined five priorities, including Trump family business dealings, the administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations. Rep. Jared Huffman of California, the ranking Democrat on the Natural Resources Committee, said he wants to dig into Trump's White House ballroom and other construction projects, as well as the Trump family's role in mineral deals&#8230;In the Senate, Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., who is expected to become the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, said his panel will want to look into Trump's real estate projects around the nation's capital and his crypto dealings with special envoy Steve Witkoff.</p></blockquote><p>This is great. But other than this, and perhaps some bipartisan deals and some obstruction and oversight of Trump&#8217;s worst abuses, what can the Dems in Congress do?</p><p>What they can also do is to workshop their economic policy program under low-stakes conditions. America has two big economic challenges looming &#8212; the <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-is-heading-for-a-debtpocalypse">out-of-control national debt</a>, and AI. Dems can start demonstrating &#8212; and at the same time, start figuring out &#8212; how they&#8217;d address both of these challenges if they had the presidency. </p><p>The debt is actually the much harder piece of this in political terms. Deficit reduction is inherently painful, as it involves some combination of spending cuts and tax increases &#8212; both of which tend to be unpopular with the electorate. If Dems submit budgets that go all-out with spending cuts and tax hikes, Trump will just veto those budgets, and Americans &#8212; who have not yet been forced to reckon with the need for debt reduction &#8212; will praise Trump for it. </p><p>Instead, Dems will need to introduce only <em>parts </em>of their ultimate deficit reduction plans. Sunsetting the Trump tax cuts on pass-through businesses is one good idea &#8212; there&#8217;s basically no reason for people like me to pay lower taxes than Americans with W-2s, just because we&#8217;re self-employed. </p><p>AI is ultimately the thornier policy challenge, because we really don&#8217;t know <em>how </em>AI is going to affect the economy. But putting in place measures to protect human labor from the inevitable disruptions &#8212; flexible welfare programs, employment incentives, social wealth funds, and the like &#8212; has little downside, and it offers Democrats a way to sell a vision of harnessing the benefits of technology for the public good. The Dems can observe how these ideas go over with the public, and make the popular ones part of their candidate&#8217;s platform in 2028. </p><p>This midterm blowout was the first step toward building a better country and putting the chaotic, shameful Trump Era behind us. But there&#8217;s a lot of work to be done, both on the ideological side and in terms of crafting a policy program. 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Art by GPT-6</figcaption></figure></div><p>The MAGA people appear to have been laboring under a number of delusions. </p><p>First, <a href="https://x.com/BlackLabelAdvsr/status/2117266060143440254">they seem</a> to be <a href="https://x.com/rabois/status/2116219539415523785">genuinely</a> <a href="https://x.com/Andrew_Moser/status/2117320059127267585">surprised</a> by the fact that they <a href="https://apnews.com/live/midterm-election-2026">suffered a crushing defeat</a> in the midterm elections. In fact, polls, forecasts, and prediction markets had all been calling a Democratic victory for months now. But a lot of MAGA types appear to have believed that America always has some big hidden reservoir of shy Trump supporters out there that everyone always misses, and that this silent majority would ride to the GOP&#8217;s rescue and prove all the pollsters and forecasters wrong, as they did in 2016. </p><p>To put it mildly, that did not happen. The election night surprise actually favored the Democrats, who won a far more extensive and decisive victory than almost any of the pollsters and forecasters had anticipated. </p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/RonDeSantis/status/2117870135956435110&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Dems will get 55 Senate seats and 250+ House seats.  Looking at the Senate map and considering such a massive House margin, it is very unlikely Republicans will recapture the Congress in 2028.   Might not have a shot at Senate control until 2032. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;RonDeSantis&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ron DeSantis&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1661519593087676416/z4A1A3gs_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T06:42:43.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWQu6tbWYAAD5Yp.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/40BP6SjOaq&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:258,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:312,&quot;like_count&quot;:2206,&quot;impression_count&quot;:74531,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/dwallacewells/status/2117833237934330366&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;The 2010 margin was 6.8 points, an election remembered as a generational wipeout. Tonight is expected to almost double that. 2008 was 10.5 and 2006 was 8.0. A thirteen point win would be the biggest congressional margin in fifty years. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;dwallacewells&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;David Wallace-Wells&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1089335211421302784/SWVjwzZE_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T04:16:06.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWQOGsaWUAAejmT.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/LuqJbOHTBj&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:8,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:407,&quot;like_count&quot;:2388,&quot;impression_count&quot;:106217,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Even Trump&#8217;s traditional demographic support base &#8212; white voters without a college degree &#8212; abandoned the GOP in droves this time:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/StatisticUrban/status/2117870980509163857&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Non-college white voters, theoretically THE bread and butter, the special sauce, of MAGA, shifted sharply towards Democrats in virtually every state tonight. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;StatisticUrban&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Hunter&#128200;&#127752;&#128202;&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1731655701301178368/iTXTRBfW_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T06:46:04.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HWQwPt0a8AALiVZ.png&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/U0R2qujhRG&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:5,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:114,&quot;like_count&quot;:788,&quot;impression_count&quot;:14470,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Trump could try to challenge this electoral verdict &#8212; to cry that the vote was rigged, to <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/09/trump-midterms-2026/688716/">declare a state of emergency</a> and suspend the Constitution, to abuse the powers of the presidency to nullify the popular will. But my gut says that he won&#8217;t, and here&#8217;s an important reason why:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/PeterHamby/status/2117850339760394397&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Democrats won young white men tonight by 17 points, per CNN exits\n\nTrump won them *28 points* in 2024&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;PeterHamby&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Peter Hamby&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2047403150244724736/qSGxrYJz_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T05:24:03.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:113,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:598,&quot;like_count&quot;:5657,&quot;impression_count&quot;:489712,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>As long as the MAGA people could tell themselves that Trump&#8217;s opponents were a bunch of old people and women, they could fantasize about prevailing in the street confrontation that would erupt in the wake of an autogolpe. But if young men &#8212; and especially young <em>white</em> men &#8212; aren&#8217;t on Trump&#8217;s side, then starting some sort of civil war would likely not go well for MAGA. </p><p>Anyway, as of this writing, here&#8217;s what the Senate election map looks like:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q5Bo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11ce1629-20b4-450e-aef5-bb8bb44cc972_903x776.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Q5Bo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F11ce1629-20b4-450e-aef5-bb8bb44cc972_903x776.jpeg 424w, 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So is South Carolina. So is Iowa. Mississippi will probably end up blue as well. </p><p>And most of all, <em>Texas is blue</em>. Not just the Senate race, either &#8212; the GOP governor, Greg Abbott, has been unseated by Democratic challenger Gina Hinojosa. Bo French, who <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-anti-american-right">tweeted alarm at seeing Indian American football fans</a> at a University of Texas game two months ago, lost his bid for Texas Railroad Commissioner to Democrat Jon Rosenthal. </p><p>The fall of Red Texas is an epochal, era-defining event. Growing up in Texas, I saw Dems win statewide office occasionally, but these were always old-school conservative Southern Democrat types. Yesterday&#8217;s election saw Gina Hinojosa and James Talarico, both staunch progressives, win the governorship and one of the Senate seats. In fact, the only Republican now holding a statewide office is&#8230;Ted Cruz.</p><p>How did <em>that</em> happen? Part of it was bad candidate selection &#8212; MAGA primary voters tossed out the popular mainstream Republican Senator John Cornyn for not being slavishly loyal enough to Trump, and replaced him with Ken Paxton, a man who has been <a href="https://www.thebarbedwire.com/ken-paxton-scandal-timeline/">repeatedly indicted and investigated</a> for financial crimes and corruption. But Abbott was a popular, mainstream Republican incumbent governor with a strong economic track record, and he still lost to a progressive upstart challenger.</p><p>Rightists were simply unprepared for a world in which this was possible. Here was Jonathan Keeperman, whom I <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-QBwwiselI">recently debated</a> about Indian immigration, just yesterday:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/L0m3z/status/2117431189074219105&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;What model of the American electorate has Texas voting for a guy who says God is trans?\n\nSomeone steelman this for me. I&#8217;m having trouble getting there.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;L0m3z&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Jonathan Keeperman&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1989741157468049410/TA5JekVn_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-03T01:38:30.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:359,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:42,&quot;like_count&quot;:1901,&quot;impression_count&quot;:330815,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>The only possible interpretation of this huge wave election is that it was a referendum on Donald Trump. Trump is now <a href="https://time.com/article/2026/10/29/trump-approval-rating-midterm-elections-republicans/">among the least popular presidents</a> in living memory, rivaled only by George W. Bush at the end of his presidency. I wrote about why most Americans despise Trump, and my analysis hasn&#8217;t really changed:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;176fe6c4-7f8e-462a-9d1d-c86b2c62cc60&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;There&#8217;s a large market for &#8220;Trump is bad&#8221; posts. 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When people complained about the cost of living, he <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eJv810QWOs">told them to buy their daughters fewer dolls</a>. Trump was elected to stay out of Middle Eastern wars, but he plunged us into an expensive quagmire. He has relentlessly <a href="https://newrepublic.com/post/217336/donald-trump-team-bully-people-buy-russian-oil">promoted the interests of Vladimir Putin</a>, whom normal Americans hate with a passion. His antics &#8212; threatening to invade Greenland, trying to bully people into renaming the Gulf of Mexico, Lake Ontario, and artificial intelligence, and so on &#8212; seem dangerously unhinged. </p><p>Then there&#8217;s the corruption. Trump has <a href="https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/10-ways-president-trump-is-more-corrupt-this-term/">relentlessly looted the country</a> to fatten the pockets of himself, his family, and his close political allies:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/2110770211460669686&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Exclusive: A list reveals all the major donors to President Trump&#8217;s White House ballroom, including previously undisclosed contributors who have benefited from regulatory decisions, government contracts and, in one case, a pardon for a family member. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;washingtonpost&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;The Washington Post&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1060271522319925257/fJKwJ0r2_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-15T16:30:09.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:191,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:1438,&quot;like_count&quot;:2619,&quot;impression_count&quot;:268103,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://wapo.st/3UtGh0X&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Secret documents reveal donors behind $330 million for Trump&#8217;s ballroom&quot;,&quot;description&quot;:&quot;The records offer a panoramic view of a fundraising campaign that is extraordinary for its size and opacity.&quot;,&quot;domain&quot;:&quot;wapo.st&quot;,&quot;image&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/news_img/2117393424571609088/0U63XGjb?format=jpg&amp;name=orig&quot;},&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/RobertFaturechi/status/2059945275339297034&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;New: A top White House aide intervened to get a $620 million Pentagon loan for a company tied to Donald Trump Jr.\n\n&#8220;The call came from the White House: We have to get this done,&#8221; 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list of pressing worries&#8230;A Fox News <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-cost-living-concerns-weigh-gop-midterms">poll </a>published last week found 60% of registered voters are extremely concerned about government corruption, surpassing concerns about inflation and high prices. A Washington Post-ABC News-Ipsos <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/tablet/2026/10/15/oct-9-13-2026-washington-post-abc-news-ipsos-poll/">poll </a>released Sunday found some two-thirds of respondents think Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself, up 10 percentage points since September 2025. <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/713933/record-high-say-government-corruption-widespread.aspx">Gallup </a>recently found perceptions of government corruption in the U.S. have hit multi-decade highs. And an August <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/most-americans-believe-trump-has-inappropriately-profited-since-returning-power-2026-08-19/">poll </a>from Reuters/Ipsos found nearly 7 in 10 Americans believe Trump&#8217;s businesses influence his presidential decisions.</p></blockquote><p>And here&#8217;s their chart:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LyIN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ddd5ce4-44cc-4aba-bc6f-509954127466_797x708.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LyIN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5ddd5ce4-44cc-4aba-bc6f-509954127466_797x708.jpeg 424w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/10/23/corruption-midterm-election-cnbc-poll-trump.html">CNBC</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Republicans seemed to somehow labor under the delusion that regular Americans were going to just <em>ignore</em> all this. Perhaps they thought that Trump&#8217;s charisma, which allowed him to bounce back from the January 6th coup attempt, made him invincible. It&#8217;s possible they reasoned that Americans had simply become so jaded about corruption that they would ignore dozens of scandals that each would have ended any other presidency. Perhaps they believed that no matter how bad Trump got, Americans&#8217; <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-donald-trump-won-in-2024">dislike of woke culture and progressive governance</a> would always make the Republicans the lesser of two evils. </p><p>Maybe they believed that Americans never really cared about inflation in 2024, and that worries about the cost of living were just people&#8217;s way of expressing their worries about immigration and wokeness. Or maybe they believed America would <a href="https://x.com/shaunmmaguire/status/2117800966657315196">blame Dems for the assassination of Charlie Kirk</a>, and reject them at the ballot box accordingly. Perhaps they thought they could scare Americans away from the Democrats by calling them &#8220;communists&#8221; and screaming about &#8220;Western civilization&#8221;:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/2117686023631085912&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;I am not here to tell you that Republicans have done a wonderful job. I am here to tell you that the Democrat Party has been fully captured by communists who want you dead and seek to destroy western civilization itself. Go vote against them. It&#8217;s the only choice.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;MattWalshBlog&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Matt Walsh&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2014488225310515201/MViNdHE3_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-03T18:31:07.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:7403,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:7467,&quot;like_count&quot;:61678,&quot;impression_count&quot;:2529590,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>This was MAGA&#8217;s greatest delusion &#8212; the idea that the average American sees things similarly to the rightists on X. The truth is that the average American does not see &#8220;Western civilization&#8221; as a fortress under siege. The average American <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/712289/americans-support-immigration-down-strong.aspx">does not spend all day in a state of panic</a> that brown immigrants and their children are invaders bent on subjugating the white race.</p><p>One gets the sense that the MAGA people believed that the average American doesn&#8217;t even exist. For decades, ideologues and extremists in both parties have shouted &#8212; often in direct contradiction of the evidence &#8212; that swing voters don&#8217;t exist, that polarization rules everything, that moderation and appealing to the center are useless, and that electoral victory goes to whichever party mobilizes their base to come out and vote. </p><p>That was always probably wrong, but MAGA seems to have taken this flawed logic one step further, convincing themselves that the country consists only of &#8220;the left&#8221; and &#8220;the right&#8221; &#8212; that every voter is either a blue-haired trans communist or a chisel-jawed defender of Western Civilization who spends all day posting memes on X about <a href="https://slate.com/technology/2026/10/draco-malfoid-harry-potter-meme.html">gender-swapped Draco Malfoy</a>. If you have no idea what the heck gender-swapped Draco Malfoy is, or why on Earth anyone would think it&#8217;s politically important, rest assured that <em>you&#8217;re not alone</em>.</p><p>Texas and Kansas and South Carolina have been turned blue by a coalition of voters who aggressively, emphatically neither know nor care about gender-swapped Draco Malfoy, or <a href="https://www.axios.com/2026/11/02/anakin-skywalker-star-wars-maga-meme">Anakin Skywalker memes</a>, or any of the other nonsense that bounces around the rightist echo chambers on X and 4chan. It was a coalition that never read Elon&#8217;s <a href="https://x.com/LucasSa56947288/status/2113753595996987764">never-ending stream of tweets</a> about James Talarico wanting to &#8220;trans your kids and destroy the border&#8221;. It was a coalition that does not know or care whether it&#8217;s white French people or brown French people <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/france-and-the-limits-of-liberalism">burning down Paris this week</a>. </p><p>It turns out that normal Americans <em>do</em> exist &#8212; in great numbers, in fact. It&#8217;s possible to keep them divided with relentless partisanship. It&#8217;s possible to drive them to jaded apathy with relentless he-said-she-said accusations and manufactured scandals. It&#8217;s possible to get many of them to stay home on election nights, simply by ignoring their wishes for long enough. But if you push them hard enough &#8212; if you step on their face again and again, with corruption and mismanagement and disdain for their daily struggles &#8212; they will eventually bestir themselves and rise up and smack you down. They will remind you of who won the Second World War, and why.</p><p>So the Democrats, ideologically divided as they are, took a well-deserved victory. The risk now is that they don&#8217;t learn their lesson from watching Trump&#8217;s implosion. Just as MAGA convinced themselves that the average American was a meme-spouting rightist, Democrats might marinate in their own echo chambers, egged on by leftist activists and progressive pressure groups and Bluesky cancel-culture warriors. </p><p>Democrats might convince themselves that what Americans really care about is Palestine rather than the cost of living. They might embark on a borrowing binge in order to throw more money at health care, resulting in rising interest rates and rising prices. They might try to halt inflation with <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-price-controls-are-a-bad-tool">price controls</a>, with predictably terrible results. They might spend their political capital on billionaire taxes of the type that <a href="https://x.com/Jon_Hartley_/status/2117855626046894352">California&#8217;s electorate just rejected</a>. They might forget the lessons of 2024 and try to admit as many illegal asylum-seekers as possible. </p><p>And if so, I&#8217;ll be writing another version of this post in 2030 or 2034, explaining why a Democratic president got hit with a red wave in the midterms. </p><p></p><p><strong>Update</strong>: I&#8217;ll add a few tweets here that I think make good points about the election.</p><p>&#8220;Benito Tortellini&#8221; points out that even as Democrats crushed Republicans nationwide, &#8220;woke&#8221; and leftist ballot initiatives failed in blue districts around the country. This election really was the Revenge of the Normies.</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/cartoon_magoo/status/2117876175880233264&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Today's results are better understood as a left-center wave, not a woke one. Trump lost big but so did a lot of far left ideas.\n\n- Billionaire tax failed in CA\n- Transgender school sports restrictions passed in WA\n- Increased penalties for fentanyl dealing and even possession&#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;cartoon_magoo&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Benito Tortellini&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1544872358552354817/a3jlij1X_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T07:06:43.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:167,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:606,&quot;like_count&quot;:8580,&quot;impression_count&quot;:347475,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Joe Weisenthal hypothesizes that this is the first election where social media use fell, and hypothesizes that people were talking to AI instead. Both of those hypotheses need to be tested with data, of course. But they are very consistent with my thesis that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-shouting-class-2-last-refuge">social media is a uniquely polarizing and radicalizing force</a> in society, and that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/save-us-digital-cronkite">AI is at least a partial remedy</a>. </p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/TheStalwart/status/2117995189411483660&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;The first post-social media election also happened to be the first election in years where moderates in both parties overperformed. You should take this question seriously.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;TheStalwart&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Joe Weisenthal&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2066048089908199424/0iHOXOcE_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-11-04T14:59:38.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;does anyone have a rough estimate of the number of ballots swung via chatgpt/claude conversations? had to be a meaningful % of voters using right&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;WillManidis&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Will 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IPO.]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/anthropics-moat-is-claude</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/anthropics-moat-is-claude</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2026 11:03:51 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nln0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bdc77a3-c7e3-45e1-a044-c1158f08968f_1170x659.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Nln0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bdc77a3-c7e3-45e1-a044-c1158f08968f_1170x659.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Art by GPT-6</figcaption></figure></div><p>Anthropic <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-10-26/anthropic-s-ipo-sets-up-defining-moment-for-wall-street-and-ai-boom">recently filed for IPO</a>. At an estimated $1.5 to $2 trillion, it will be one of the biggest IPOs of all time, rivaling SpaceX, and possibly the biggest. For reference, Facebook&#8217;s valuation when it had its blockbuster IPO in 2012 was $104 billion, and Google&#8217;s valuation in 2004 was $23 billion. Anthropic will instantly become one of the world&#8217;s most valuable companies &#8212; Google itself is now worth $3.4 trillion, and Nvidia and Apple are both worth around $5 trillion. </p><p>This naturally has a lot of people asking: What&#8217;s the upside to buying Anthropic? Even if it grew to be as valuable as Apple or Nvidia &#8212; in other words, if it became one of the most valuable companies on planet Earth &#8212; that would only be a multiple of 2 to 2.5. But if Anthropic stumbles, that lofty valuation could come tumbling down. </p><p>There are certainly <em>lots </em>of reasons Anthropic could stumble. Demand for AI could <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/ai-vs-the-railroads">take longer to materialize</a> than people think, perhaps because companies have trouble integrating AI into their existing business models. The U.S. government could decide that Claude&#8217;s hacking capabilities represent a national security threat &#8212; especially after the recent <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-internet-breaks">wave of AI-assisted cyberattacks</a> &#8212; and decide to regulate, appropriate, or otherwise restrain the company (the <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/if-ai-is-a-weapon-why-dont-we-regulate">spat with the Department of War</a> might represent the beginnings of that conflict). One company (SpaceX?) might end up monopolizing all of the compute, squeezing Anthropic&#8217;s profits. Competition from OpenAI and Google, or Chinese models, might result in a competitive race to the bottom that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-ai-bust-scenario-that-no-one">forces down Anthropic&#8217;s margins</a>. And so on. </p><p>In order to balance all that uncertainty and risk on the downside, Anthropic needs to have huge upside. It needs a way that it could be worth a lot <em>more</em> than $2 trillion in the years to come. For comparison, if you bought Google when it IPO&#8217;d, your investment would have gone up by over 130 times by today. To equal that performance, Anthropic would have to be worth $200 to $260 trillion by the late 2040s. That&#8217;s almost half of the total wealth that exists in the entire world today. For Facebook, the number is around 16x, meaning Anthropic would have to be worth $32 trillion by the early 2040s &#8212; still an impressive performance, considering that that&#8217;s more than six times the value of the most valuable company in 2026. </p><p>How could Anthropic manage that kind of growth? One possibility is that the world economy <em>itself </em>will grow at a very rapid pace, thanks to AI. Some AI researchers think that growth could soon accelerate to fantastically high levels. But <a href="https://aleximas.substack.com/p/will-ai-soon-lead-to-double-digit">most economists bet against that</a>, and even most AI industry insiders expect the growth speedup to be <a href="https://forecastingresearch.org/research/economic-effects-of-ai">much more modest</a>. Even 7% nominal growth &#8212; 4% real growth plus 3% inflation &#8212; would only make the economy about 2.75x larger by 2041, and 4.43x larger by 2048. </p><p>So in order to have the upside of a Facebook-like outcome &#8212; let alone a Google-like outcome &#8212; Anthropic probably can&#8217;t just ride a wave of economic growth.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> It&#8217;ll need to <em>capture a greater fraction of the value</em> that our economy produces. </p><p>So far, the company has been doing exactly that &#8212; and at an <em>extremely </em>rapid rate. Its <a href="https://www.axios.com/2026/04/13/anthropic-revenue-growth-ai">revenue has grown faster</a> than any company of similar size in all of history. And despite this explosive growth, the company is now making an operating profit:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6s7l!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c46f819-7589-4ad4-91cc-eddcfa45e7a0_722x962.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6s7l!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c46f819-7589-4ad4-91cc-eddcfa45e7a0_722x962.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6s7l!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c46f819-7589-4ad4-91cc-eddcfa45e7a0_722x962.jpeg 848w, 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stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/Quartr_App/status/2114725356750151995/photo/1">Quartr</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Businesses usually have to spend more money to make more money at the outset, but Anthropic&#8217;s Claude Code is a product that sells itself &#8212; relative to just one year ago, the company is making more than 3 times as many dollars of revenue for each dollar that it spends on compute:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/wallstengine/status/2114721711002358269/photo/1">Wall St. Engine</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>As <a href="https://x.com/SemiAnalysis_/status/2114714175486279932">SemiAnalysis writes</a>, this is &#8220;the most efficient scaling of a business in the history of capitalism&#8221;. <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/anthropic-s-1-teardown-jeffrey-bussgang-d9bte/">Jeffrey Bussgang has a good breakdown</a> of Anthropic&#8217;s recent IPO filing, and it&#8217;s full of amazing details &#8212; incredible user retention, a broadening base of customers, and so on. </p><p>And Anthropic is selling a product whose adoption rate is still very low. As Aaron Levie points out, most big companies are still spending only a pittance on AI, and could afford to spend a lot more:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/levie/status/2114761816199098587&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;This is the key stat. The average Fortune 500 customer of Anthropic spends less than .1% of their expenses on Anthropic. \n\nWhile that number likely will eventually asymptote somewhere (token prices coming down, and other large enterprise spend areas not going away), there&#8217;s no&#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;levie&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Aaron Levie&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/885529357904510976/tM0vLiYS_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-26T16:51:22.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;More than half of the Fortune 500 already qualifies as a significant customer, but Anthropic&#8217;s revenue from those companies averages less than 0.1% of their expenses. Its ten largest Fortune 500 customers spend more than eight times the broader cohort average while still spending&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;BenBajarin&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ben Bajarin&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2007193847433179139/N4Z9gIsH_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:165,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:71,&quot;like_count&quot;:727,&quot;impression_count&quot;:96396,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>And yet for this growth to continue, Anthropic must do more than simply make great products. It will need to stave off the competition for decades on end. It will, in Wall Street jargon, need a &#8220;moat&#8221;. </p><h4>Why Anthropic needs a moat</h4><p>When I was teaching business economics to MBAs at Stony Brook, I spent lots of time on the question of why companies make profit. This might sound like a stupid question, especially if you&#8217;ve been conditioned to think that there&#8217;s some kind of magic force called &#8220;capitalism&#8221; that companies can use to extract money from people and hand it to their shareholders. But in a world of perfect competition, companies should keep trying to undersell each other until <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-profit_condition">their profit goes to zero</a> &#8212; or at least, until it goes to a level where companies are just able to pay for their investments. Even if one company has a huge share of the market, the simple threat that new companies might be able to enter the market and compete with them should force them to keep their prices low in order to maintain their market share. </p><p>And in fact, lots of industries <em>do </em>work like this. Agriculture, in the absence of farm subsidies or other significant government support, is the most famous example. Solar power is another &#8212; energy provides huge value to the world, but solar is so undifferentiated a product that solar producers never end up making big margins.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> Airlines are a third example. Consumers (and workers) benefit from these industries, but shareholders don&#8217;t end up making huge returns.</p><p>In order to make profits (or &#8220;excess profits&#8221; above and beyond the cost of investment), companies generally need <a href="https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/economicmoat.asp">some sort of a &#8220;moat&#8221;</a> &#8212; a <strong>barrier to entry</strong> that reduces the threat of competition. This could be a <strong>government-sponsored monopoly</strong> &#8212; cronyism, or intellectual property. It could be a <strong>network effect</strong> &#8212; the natural tendency of everyone to be on the same social network or use the same electric power grid. It could be something as simple as <strong>brand loyalty</strong> &#8212; maybe everyone thinks Louis Vuitton bags are worth paying money for because of the name, or maybe everyone is just very used to using Microsoft Excel and doesn&#8217;t want to switch. </p><p>These are all reasons why some companies make high profit margins. There are probably more. Investors will tell you that if you want to assess how valuable you think a company is going to be, you should try to evaluate the strength of its moat &#8212; in fact, the term &#8220;moat&#8221; as slang for barriers to entry was coined by Warren Buffett.</p><p>Ever since AI companies like Anthropic and OpenAI burst on the scene, I&#8217;ve been <a href="https://x.com/ramez/status/2114762404789956931">hearing smart people argue</a> that they have no moat. After all, unlike famously profitable software companies like Facebook or Google, it&#8217;s not clear that AI has a network effect &#8212; whether I should use Claude Code or Codex doesn&#8217;t really depend on whether you use Claude Code or Codex. And brand loyalty to AI is probably pretty low, since coding with Claude Code and coding with Codex is probably a pretty similar experience, and since AI isn&#8217;t a prestige good like an iPhone or a Rolex. And logistically speaking, it&#8217;s <a href="https://x.com/ramez/status/2087987437670953222">very easy to switch</a> from one company&#8217;s AI products to another&#8217;s.</p><p>What&#8217;s more, catch-up in AI models is typically very fast &#8212; OpenAI and Google are typically only a little bit behind Anthropic in terms of model capability. In fact, by some measures, Google&#8217;s new <a href="https://artificialanalysis.ai/leaderboards/models">Gemini 4 Carbon model just took the lead</a> over Anthropic. Obviously this will reverse when Anthropic releases the next blockbuster model it currently has under wraps, but it shows that the other major players are still very much in the race. In terms of market share, OpenAI has been nipping at Anthropic&#8217;s heels:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YuYu!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F16ee46ee-906f-4cb8-b776-77eff53d33dc_819x819.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YuYu!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F16ee46ee-906f-4cb8-b776-77eff53d33dc_819x819.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YuYu!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F16ee46ee-906f-4cb8-b776-77eff53d33dc_819x819.jpeg 848w, 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Back in August, I wondered if the financing of data centers with private credit could cause a financial crisis if there was a bust. I followed that up with&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The AI bust scenario that no one is talking about&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-12-09T04:13:37.679Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8hQY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5d1e161b-7459-41fd-9610-ac34e6af1ac5_1024x559.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_crop&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-ai-bust-scenario-that-no-one&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:181067110,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:536,&quot;comment_count&quot;:120,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>But I think we need to talk more about the opposite scenario &#8212; the possibility that AI intrinsically <em>does </em>have a huge moat. I see a distinct possibility that <em>intelligence itself</em> &#8212; the ability to outsmart competitors in the arena of business &#8212; is a tremendous source of competitive advantage for a company. And in fact, I suspect that this is exactly what Anthropic itself is (quietly) betting on. </p><h4>How intelligence itself can be a moat</h4>
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Not mapping stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknowable possibilities of existence.&#8221; &#8212; Q</em></p><p>There&#8217;s something about the mindset of really hardcore Star Trek fans that&#8217;s very difficult to describe to people who don&#8217;t share that fandom. I can&#8217;t speak for all of us, of course, but <a href="https://x.com/scottsantens/status/2115923101624246390">for many of us</a>, there is a sense in which the world portrayed in Star Trek is not quite <em>fictional</em>. No one regards it as an exact description of the future, of course, but there is a sense in which it represents one possible future that we must achieve &#8212; a &#8220;Star Trek timeline&#8221; that either we&#8217;re on or that we need to return to. The United Federation of Planets isn&#8217;t some fantastical interstellar alliance, but an organization that <em>we must create</em>, and whose ideals we must instantiate as the governing ethos of humankind. </p><p>Our quasi-religious commitment to this utopian future came from watching the Star Trek TV shows, but the different series inspired us in different ways. The original &#8220;Kirk and Spock&#8221; series, which aired in the 1960s, was more of a <em>technological </em>vision &#8212; the idea that one day we would zip around the cosmos getting into adventures, as easily as we&#8217;d zip around the world in a boat today. But <em>Star Trek: The Next Generation</em>, which aired in the late 1980s and early 1990s, gave us a different kind of vision. It was a <em>moral </em>future for the human race &#8212; a depiction of a better way that we could face the unknown and master our own personal challenges. </p><p>There has never been another television show like <em>Star Trek: The Next Generation</em>, and there might never be one again. It is the greatest TV show ever made, not by dint of a difference in degree, but because of a difference in kind. It is a drama of pure optimism. Every other show tries to thrill us by showing us how bad or how ridiculous or how exciting someone else&#8217;s world could be; <em>Star Trek: TNG</em> thrills us by showing us how beautiful our own world could become. </p><p>For such a show to be put on the air required an incredible confluence of coincidences. For one thing, it was syndicated in its first run, meaning that it was free from constant interference by network executives. The showrunner,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> Michael Piller, also did something highly unusual when he opened the show up to outside script submissions; this allowed in a whole lot of highly innovative episode ideas. </p><p>But the real secret sauce of <em>Star Trek: TNG</em> was the creative vision of Star Trek&#8217;s original creator, Gene Roddenberry. A lot of people &#8212; and even a lot of science fiction writers &#8212; assume that even as technology makes us more powerful, human nature will remain basically the same, with all its old petty short-sighted hatreds and jealousies and selfishness and so on. Roddenberry believed otherwise. He famously declared that the people of the future would actually be <em>better people</em>, free from the flaws of his day. And so <a href="https://them0vieblog.com/2014/01/06/star-trek-the-next-generation-the-measure-of-a-man-review/">he mandated</a> that <em>Star Trek: TNG</em> have no internal conflict in its plotlines.</p><p>Some of the writers chafed at that constraint. Interpersonal conflict is the bread and butter of drama &#8212; and always an easy plot device to fall back on when you need something to go wrong. But because Roddenberry decreed it, the writers of TNG were forced to envision how <em>the ideal human being</em> would deal with various personal and external obstacles. And so every episode gave us a thoughtful, probing exploration of what the ideal human beings &#8212; or at least, people much more morally and emotionally advanced than us &#8212; would look like.  </p><p>No character embodied that ideal more than Captain Jean-Luc Picard. It&#8217;s not his personal life that&#8217;s ideal &#8212; he famously puts career over family, leading to a life full of self-doubt and regret &#8212; but his approach to the world. Picard is the ultimate Reasonable Man. He will always try to understand the alien before he opens fire. He is a legendary battle commander but would always rather negotiate than fight. He&#8217;s not necessarily the kind of man you&#8217;d want for a father, but he felt like one anyway. He values all life, and all uniqueness, intrinsically; he is zipping around the galaxy in a starship in order to discover the Universe, and occasionally to save it, but most of all to <em>understand and respect </em>it. </p><p>Understanding and respect, in fact, are Picard&#8217;s greatest weapons. He is a brilliant man, with many brilliant people under him, and occasionally he uses his intelligence to defeat an external threat. But he&#8217;s no swashbuckling space cowboy &#8212; more often than not, he succeeds in <em>understanding</em> the threat, and figures out how to help it achieve its goals without sacrificing his own. Picard realizes that the highest application of intelligence is not to thwart your enemies, but to design a world in which you and they can live in mutually beneficial coexistence. 1990s America was a uniquely hopeful and liberal time in the world, and Star Trek&#8217;s greatest captain embodied the spirit of that too-brief moment. </p><p>The character of Captain Picard was brought to life by the peerless acting skills of Patrick Stewart, who died two days ago at the age of 86. Stewart&#8217;s acting career went far beyond Star Trek &#8212; he&#8217;s widely considered one of the greatest <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-10-31/patrick-stewart-theatre-obituary-macbeth-godot-christmas-carol/107327188">Shakespearean stage actors</a> of his generation, if not of all time, and he played in dozens of films. But the tributes that are flying thick and fast around the world today almost all focus on his role as Captain Picard.</p><p>I&#8217;m of two minds about this. As a very slightly famous person, I can tell you that public and private personas are very different things &#8212; if you meet me in real life, I won&#8217;t quite be the character you&#8217;ve imagined from my writings. That goes triple for actors, whose job is literally to pretend to be someone else. Patrick Stewart was not Captain Picard, but a man with a life and a personality all his own. He was, by all reports, a good man, <a href="https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/william-shatner-star-trek-patrick-stewart-picard-tributes-1236934479/">well-loved by those who knew him and worked with him</a>, but his strengths and his flaws were very different from those of the man he played on television. To mourn his passing as the passing of Captain Picard is to engage in a parasocial relationship. </p><p>And yet, I do. I can&#8217;t help it. I never knew Patrick Stewart, but I <em>did</em> know Captain Picard, and the death of the real man who brought that fictional man to life makes me remember what I loved so much about the latter, and there is value in that.</p><p>Nor am I alone. Today the internet is flooded with tributes to Picard, praising Stewart&#8217;s portrayal as an embodiment of an ideal liberal politics, an exemplary moral figure, and even as a model of masculinity:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/2116125061572685895&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Jean-Luc Picard remains the single most compelling vision of progressive politics I am familiar with &#8212; secular, rational, compassionate, egalitarian; a believer in progress &amp;amp; abundance but also duty, hard work, and a constant battle for self-improvement and improving the world. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;mattyglesias&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Matthew Yglesias&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2096643695755833348/phm4puFm_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-30T11:08:25.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HV38BPCXYAAx9ZZ.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/PQyh0qnouD&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:342,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:687,&quot;like_count&quot;:5752,&quot;impression_count&quot;:186731,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/Pepto_Griswold/status/2115905582401994992&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Captain Picard had an ineffable influence on a young me. There's so many good moments from 'The Drumhead' alone but this scene is seared into my brain. I remember the first time I saw it and how it would come to form my moral compass. \n\nRest In Peace Patrick Stewart. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;Pepto_Griswold&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Pepto Griswold in \&quot;Hilda Training Arc\&quot;&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1880455952882647040/NMObNtbc_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-29T20:36:17.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!EDLj!,w_1028,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep/l_play_button_usfui2,w_88,e_colorize:0/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F__ss-rehost__tw-video-preview-13_2115904755994095616.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/SchalbyiVa&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:40,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:362,&quot;like_count&quot;:2699,&quot;impression_count&quot;:66667,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:&quot;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2115904755994095616/vid/avc1/956x720/f-hFYLR8yO_GYPQB.mp4?tag=14&quot;,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:&quot;13_2115904755994095616&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/Leigh_Phillips/status/2115923591724437522&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Star Trek TNG had a profound impact on me growing up, and Patrick Stewart&#8217;s role above all: the secular, rationalist, egalitarian, post-scarcity (whisper it: socialist) vision of the future, a completion of the Radical Enlightenment project married to a sort of Aristotelian sense &#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;Leigh_Phillips&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Leigh Phillips&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1470262059853959168/2wGu977L_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-29T21:47:50.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HV1FSvabQAA64we.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/t9OhBTdGrP&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:36,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:278,&quot;like_count&quot;:1614,&quot;impression_count&quot;:30751,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/zomboy666/status/2115904120574054457&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;He&#8217;ll never know this but Patrick Stewart showed countless boys how to be men. He showed that strength didn't have to mean intimidation, that intelligence should come with humility, and that you could - and should - stand up for what was right even when it cost you something.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;zomboy666&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;&#120441;&#120458;&#120482; &#120472;&#120463; &#120477;&#120465;&#120462; &#120435;&#120462;&#120458;&#120461; &#10052;&#65039;&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1225081714596352003/jLTezkqT_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-29T20:30:28.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:59,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:1294,&quot;like_count&quot;:7560,&quot;impression_count&quot;:98387,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/CRegnant/status/2115950358841442354&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Something I've been having trouble articulating is that Picard is an ideal masculine figure. He is wise and kind and understanding but when push comes to shove he makes it clear that he will engage in violence and he's gonna be fuckin good at it&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;CRegnant&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;the friend on the fourble board&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1088234587413725185/aAUdQvak_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-29T23:34:12.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;God Mode https://t.co/jyyTWdg4Vj&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;BrndnStrssng&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Brandon Streussnig&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2113338038952570880/-tVYGWQ-_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:44,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:377,&quot;like_count&quot;:4444,&quot;impression_count&quot;:82609,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/cor_de_nuit/status/2115900852875506100&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Stewart&#8217;s portrayal of Jean-luc Picard embodied the platonic ideal of healthy masculinity and good leadership. He&#8217;d deliver the lines with utmost calm, patience, and respect for his subordinates. He never had to prove a thing, or speak one word of himself.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;cor_de_nuit&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;indigo&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1859734699159035904/QpLvTYjB_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-29T20:17:29.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:4,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:104,&quot;like_count&quot;:1010,&quot;impression_count&quot;:7731,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/KashPrime/status/2115950579491217580&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;I grew up in a magical era when the leading man of the leading TV show at the time solved hard problems with intelligence, courage, honour and respect. I owe so much to his example, and continue to try to live by the example his character set. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;KashPrime&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Kashif Pirzada, MD&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1496160884993019912/Ko5Wj_RZ_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-29T23:35:05.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HV1d1lJWkAAk5hr.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/h6n1xNyIJz&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:7,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:62,&quot;like_count&quot;:561,&quot;impression_count&quot;:6989,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>The remembrance of Captain Picard comes at a pivotal moment for our species. The advent of artificial intelligence &#8212; machines that can out-think us &#8212; will naturally cause a shift in what it means to be human. As with the Industrial Revolution and the advent of agriculture, we will have to figure out a new way to live &#8212; new lifestyles, new forms of government, new systems of economic production and distribution, new reasons to value ourselves and each other.</p><p>There are many reasons that the particular future portrayed in Star Trek &#8212; one in which human beings, as they exist today, take the lead in physically exploring the galaxy &#8212; will never happen. AI is one more reason. This is in spite of the fact that <em>Star Trek: The Next Generation</em> is probably the single best prediction of modern AI ever to appear on the screen. The &#8220;engineers&#8221; on the Enterprise are clearly vibe-coding and prompting the ship&#8217;s computer,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> which is so powerful that it sometimes <em>accidentally </em>creates human-level intelligence as part of a holographic entertainment program. </p><p>But in real life, the physical requirements of deep space exploration are such that it will never make sense for human beings to be at the forefront, except potentially as digital uploads. And even if we <em>did </em>go, AI&#8217;s superhuman intelligence, data assimilation capacity, and speed would remove most or all of the need for human judgement in the loop. If the Romulans attack us, it will be Claude or GPT who handles them.</p><p>But outer space is not our true final frontier. The true space that we, as humans, are exploring is <em>our own set of possibilities</em>. In fact, Q, a whimsical omnipotent trickster-god-being that serves as Picard&#8217;s foil throughout the series, says this to Picard in the final episode of the show &#8212; see the quote at the top of this post. It is our quest to chart the unknowable possibilities of our own existence.</p><p>The ultimate destiny of humankind is a consistent theme of <em>Star Trek: TNG</em>, and the show strongly implies that we&#8217;ll eventually ascend to some sort of godlike posthumanity. There are multiple instances of humans or human-like beings turning into some sort of higher cosmic being, and Q himself implies that he&#8217;s testing humanity for admission into the realm of the space gods. This is probably where we&#8217;re headed in reality &#8212; our new <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-golden-age-of-science-is-coming">AI scientists</a> will help us figure out how to expand our consciousness and merge it with the digital realm, until we become something greater than we can currently imagine. </p><p>But before that happens &#8212; and perhaps even after it happens &#8212; it&#8217;s possible to envision a better version of Humanity Classic. It&#8217;s possible to imagine that through the right combination of technology, governance, and culture, we can put the lie to the old saw that &#8220;human nature never changes&#8221;, and become more like the characters in Gene Roddenberry&#8217;s universe. </p><p>In fact, though the overall picture is murky and the road has been stochastic, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature">there is some evidence</a> that we&#8217;ve already been moving in a more humane, rational direction &#8212; that Captain Picard is less alien to the human race of 2026 than he would have been to the human race of 1626. We once embraced slavery as a way of life; today we regard it as anathema. We once <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_burning">tortured cats to death in public</a> for entertainment; today that would land you in prison. We are <a href="https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/06/long-term-trend-in-homicide-rates.html">far less murderous</a> than we once were. </p><p>It is not clear exactly what led to these improvements. Perhaps with scarcity alleviated &#8212; with our bellies full, and tractors instead of slaves &#8212; we are naturally gentler and more magnanimous. Perhaps more information has given us more empathy toward people far away. Perhaps the social adaptations needed to handle modern economies &#8212; markets, property rights, police, democracy &#8212; have tamed and civilized us.</p><p>Whatever it was, it offers the hope that we can do more of it &#8212; that whatever cosmic ascension we might eventually undertake, human beings as they exist in 2026 are not the best we can do in the current form factor. </p><p>I won&#8217;t lie. The last quarter century has been brutal to the hopes of those raised on <em>Star Trek: The Next Generation</em>. The promise of a liberal society has not been eliminated, but <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/where-does-a-liberal-go-from-here">it has been tarnished</a> by over a decade of social media hatred and rising authoritarianism. Neither greater prosperity nor more information nor giving voice to the voiceless has made our societies more like the United Federation of Planets. Sci-fi marvels are coming to life around us, but every day the people who lead our species seem less like the crew of the Enterprise.</p><p>But as the 1990s were not the end of history, neither are the 2020s. Moral progress is not a smooth upward line; there have been reversals before (and there <a href="https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/World_War_III">certainly are plenty</a> in the Star Trek timeline). It&#8217;s about time to pick ourselves back up and start the journey again. We should all go back and watch <em>Star Trek: The Next Generation</em>, with its silly haircuts and its dated special effects, and remember who we thought we could become.</p><p>Farewell to the great Patrick Stewart. And farewell also, Captain Picard. In the greatest trek of all &#8212; our search for the possibilities of our better selves &#8212; you will always be our Captain. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/farewell-my-captain?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/farewell-my-captain?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div 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vibe-coding and prompting are easier to portray on screen than writing lines of code.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[A golden age of science is coming]]></title><description><![CDATA[AI can do things humans researchers can&#8217;t, even in groups.]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-golden-age-of-science-is-coming</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-golden-age-of-science-is-coming</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2026 09:55:51 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!SL4d!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fec55b4f8-db63-4e5c-b909-d963207c5f98_1029x686.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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Respected researchers were writing papers with titles like &#8220;<a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~chadj/IdeaPF.pdf">Are Ideas Getting Harder to Find?</a>&#8221;, &#8220;<a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05543-x">Papers and patents are becoming less disruptive over time</a>&#8221;, and &#8220;<a href="https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2021636118">Slowed canonical progress in large fields of science</a>&#8221;. In 1996, science writer John Horgan even published a book called <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201626799?lv=shuf&amp;channelId=500&amp;plpRedirect=mhFallback">The End Of Science: Facing The Limits Of Knowledge In The Twilight Of The Scientific Age</a></em>. </p><p>The fundamental idea was that the Universe only has so many insights to discover, and that we&#8217;ve picked the low-hanging fruit. It was the idea that Joseph-Louis Lagrange expressed when he said that &#8220;we cannot find more than once a system of the world to establish.&#8221; As the big ideas and the simple ideas get mined out, we&#8217;re forced to throw ever more brains at the mysteries of nature just to keep scientific progress going at a fraction of its old pace:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bjOS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa36cc960-b776-4294-b6a0-0a08beafa199_900x592.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bjOS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa36cc960-b776-4294-b6a0-0a08beafa199_900x592.jpeg 424w, 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(2020)</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>It looked like science was hitting a wall. Then along came AI.</p><p>It&#8217;s far too early to tell how much AI will eventually speed up the growth of total factor productivity. But already we can see signs of a speedup in science. Anthropic Founder Jack Clark assembled some of the hopeful data points in a recent lecture:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/drorpoleg/status/2111882070376980529&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;\&quot;If you pick different parts of science, you see the same pattern show up: Progress is accelerating, and it has started to accelerate in the last two years.\&quot;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;drorpoleg&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Dror Poleg&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2094224232561451008/O082u8IA_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-18T18:08:17.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HU7piShXYAA3usT.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/YAV5aprSLr&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;I&#8217;m speaking at the IMF in an hour about the singularity and why I believe it has begun and the choices we'll need to make. Watch live here: https://t.co/Hj9HzcXx5h&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;jackclarkSF&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Jack Clark&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/726446881547517952/ULhSTKxN_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:2,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:10,&quot;like_count&quot;:123,&quot;impression_count&quot;:21178,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Anthropic is accelerating its <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/research/early-progress-drug-development">investment into drug discovery</a>, and is already announcing some impressive preliminary results:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/Junioryu136689/status/2115197821150495150&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;BREAKING: Anthropic unveils early results from six Claude-powered drug development collaborations.\n\n&#8226; 70% shorter CAR-T signaling domain\n&#8226; ~35,000 antibody designs\n&#8226; &amp;gt;10&#215; tighter antibody binding\n&#8226; 89% less batch-record review time\nStill largely preclinical.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;Junioryu136689&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;BioTender&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2049113540146188288/j-IY5cVD_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-27T21:43:53.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVqxMo9bgAAY_CP.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/PPTaC60Lt7&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Over the past few months, Anthropic scientists have engaged in deep research partnerships with six organizations developing new medicines. We've also begun drug discovery efforts of our own.\n\nIn doing so, we&#8217;ve learned much more about how Claude can support the many stages of&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;AnthropicAI&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Anthropic&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1798110641414443008/XP8gyBaY_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:3,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:24,&quot;like_count&quot;:205,&quot;impression_count&quot;:11228,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Claude also appears to be enabling rapid progress toward <a href="https://x.com/bjing2016/status/2115235758802161846">a treatment for food allergies</a>. OpenAI, meanwhile, <a href="https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2112899854569762936">announced a possible breakthrough treatment</a> for neurodegenerative disease. </p><p>Meanwhile, Google Cloud Chief Scientist Pushmeet Kohli has a list of recent scientific advances that have been enabled by its new Gemini model, including breakthroughs in nuclear fusion reactor design, rare disease research, and quantum computing:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/pushmeet/status/2110049807385702623&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Gemini 4 Argon is a step change in model performance.  \n\nIn recent weeks, it has had a transformative impact on the Science projects in our team at <span class=\&quot;tweet-fake-link\&quot;>@GoogleDeepMind</span> and our external collaborators, and helped make a number of remarkable advances across scientific disciplines. &#129525;&#128071;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;pushmeet&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Pushmeet Kohli&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/650718639784509440/yaRuXASm_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-13T16:47:31.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:8,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:41,&quot;like_count&quot;:497,&quot;impression_count&quot;:36514,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>But as cool as these stories sound, they&#8217;re just very minor, preliminary efforts. There are a number of reasons to think that AI is going to propel us into a golden age of scientific discovery. That age might not last forever &#8212; AI might still run into diminishing returns eventually. But the next few decades are probably going to be an absolutely <em>amazing</em> time for human science.</p><p>(<strong>Note</strong>: This post is written under the assumption that human civilization survives. A golden age of science could also easily turn into <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/heres-how-were-all-going-to-die">a golden age of bioterrorism</a>, in which case all bets are off.)</p><h4>The number of &#8220;effective researchers&#8221; is no longer limited</h4><p>The most important input into science is scientists themselves. Until this year, that meant human brains &#8212; talented, highly trained human brains. The number of trained human brains could be increased by sending more people to grad school, but only to a point &#8212; the smartest people tend to be sent into the hardest research fields first, and if you 10x the number of researchers, the average quality will go down. This constraint was already starting to bite, as <a href="https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257%2Faer.20241592">Ekerdt and Wu argued in 2024</a>:</p><blockquote><p>We argue that a substantial portion of the downward historical trend in U.S. research productivity is a composition effect resulting from self-selection in researcher ability and the dramatic expansion of the research sector&#8230;[W]e find that this composition effect has lowered average researcher ability by between 37% and 53%[.]</p></blockquote><p>And of course, <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~chadj/emptyplanet.pdf">low fertility was making the problem worse</a>, because fewer children meant fewer people who were able to become future scientists. </p><p>AI just blows up this constraint completely. If an AI agent can function as an autonomous researcher, there&#8217;s no constraint on the number of researchers in the world &#8212; you can just build more of them, by building more computer chips and data centers that enable the running of more AI agents. Whether or not massive hordes of agents <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/can-a-million-ai-agents-create-superintelligence">can collaborate</a> to solve <em>individual</em> problems much faster, increasing the number of agents allows them to tackle many<em> different </em>research questions in parallel. </p><p>What&#8217;s more, these AI &#8220;researchers&#8221; can be trained incredibly quickly compared to human beings. A human scientist takes decades to train, and more years to reach the frontier of their research field by diligent reading and conversation. This is the &#8220;burden of knowledge&#8221;, and it&#8217;s commonly believed to be one reason ideas have been getting harder to find &#8212; by the time human scientists can get up to speed, they&#8217;re often <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ady8732?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F">so old that their ideas are no longer novel</a>. </p><p>AI just annihilates this constraint &#8212; it can assimilate the entire literature and reach the frontier of research extremely quickly, and it can also <em>tell human scientists where the frontier lies</em> without forcing them to discover that for themselves. It can also <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09048-1">pivot to new research directions</a> more easily than humans can.</p><p>And there&#8217;s also a self-reinforcing economic cycle here. Because scientific advances enable higher GDP, they enable more resources to be invested into the creation of yet more electronic &#8220;scientists&#8221;.</p><p>Now that doesn&#8217;t mean the amount of scientific research goes to infinity &#8212; there may still be some essential bottleneck task that human researchers are still needed to perform. <a href="https://x.com/robertwiblin/status/2115058017825611911">There are some indications</a> that AI&#8217;s progress on open-ended conceptual research tasks is slower than in other dimensions, and it may be that humans are still needed to provide some of this long-term conceptual thinking. I&#8217;d bet against this being true for much longer, but it might be true for a long time. </p><p>Even in this most &#8220;pessimistic&#8221; case, though, the amount of effective capital that scientists can use to leverage their work just went up by a <em>lot</em>. </p><h4>AI eliminates the theory bottleneck</h4><p>Science proceeds by an iterative process of theory and experiment. The theory part of that cycle is typically short, but non-trivial &#8212; it took a couple of years after the blackbody radiation spectrum was observed for Max Planck to come up with <a href="https://www.kroneckerwallis.com/max-plancks-quantum-theory-how-energy-quanta-changed-physics-forever/">the quantum hypothesi</a>s to explain it, and <em>decades</em> longer before quantum theory as we now know it was created. It took about a year for Watson and Crick to figure out the shape of DNA after the requisite data was gathered.</p><p>AI will basically eliminate the theory bottleneck entirely &#8212; or at least shorten the turnaround time between experiment and theory by an order of magnitude. AI is an absolute <em>beast</em> at math. Recently, an OpenAI model <a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/10/27/ai-makes-discoveries-in-mathematics-computer-science-physics-openai-says">solved some of the most important open problems</a> in computer science, math, and theoretical physics, and no one even batted an eyebrow because that sort of triumph is becoming increasingly commonplace. <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/openai-just-scooped-human-researchers-on-a-million-dollar-quantum-math-problem/">One of those solutions was a proof</a> that the Standard Model of Particle Physics could be mathematically well-defined &#8212; a problem that human theorists had so far been unable to tackle. </p><p>Not all research relies equally on theory, but understanding novel experimental results almost always involves some important component of either mathematical or spatial reasoning. That part of the task has now been made much, much faster. And on top of that, science is now open to a greater number of humans who aren&#8217;t naturally good at theorizing. </p><h4>AI can read the whole literature</h4><p>Much of the work of human scientists involves reading and understanding endless amounts of papers and going to endless conferences and seminars. The purpose of that work is to understand the existing scientific literature. Understanding the literature allows scientists to do the following things:</p><ol><li><p>Come up with new ideas for hypotheses to test</p></li><li><p>Avoid doing research that someone else has already done</p></li><li><p>Synthesize approaches from different areas or fields</p></li></ol><p>AI can reduce this effort to almost zero. Consider this excerpt from <a href="https://openai.com/index/scaling-ai-research-for-complex-biological-data/">OpenAI&#8217;s blog post</a> about their new research into neurodegenerative disease:</p><blockquote><p>The team divided the analysis among thousands of AI agents powered by GPT&#8209;Rosalind, an approach we call distributed biological reasoning. The agents examined a <a href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.64898/2026.03.16.711480v1">whole-brain CRISPR atlas</a>&#8230;a dataset showing how gene disruptions affect different types of cells across the mouse brain. Each agent investigated a gene disruption, analyzed cellular responses, searched scientific literature, and proposed explanations for the results. Their reports were combined into a reasoning atlas linking genes, cellular effects, relevant publications, and possible biological mechanisms.</p><p>The research team estimated that <strong>comparable human analysis and literature review, conducted one perturbation at a time, would take months to a year</strong>. The agents reproduced findings from human analyses while uncovering additional leads. Their assessments of novelty and scientific value also aligned with judgments from blinded human experts. These findings help prioritize further experiments needed to test the proposed biological mechanisms.</p><p>Some of these insights point to new leads for understanding brain disease. [emphasis mine]</p></blockquote><p>This is one case in which parallel work by a large number of agents really does make a huge difference:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/haider1/status/2112917197903540516&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;this is actually insane\n\nopenai deployed thousands of GPT-Rosalind agents to analyze millions of mouse brain cells in 32 minutes, work that could take human researchers months to a year\n\nalso the agents uncovered new leads for brain diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;haider1&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Haider.&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2047286007003848704/u2mzg86I_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-21T14:41:30.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVKWcF3aYAAgm87.png&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/rK8KklkwC0&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;GPT-Rosalind surfaced a new lead for drug discovery: could restoring cholesterol transport protect neurons from degeneration?\n\nDCTN1 is a gene linked to Perry syndrome, a rare neurodegenerative disorder. In mouse-brain data, disrupting it increased expression of genes involved in&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;OpenAI&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;OpenAI&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1885410181409820672/ztsaR0JW_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:26,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:95,&quot;like_count&quot;:1260,&quot;impression_count&quot;:51489,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Not only does instantaneous literature review vastly speed up the research process, but it allows AI to make novel conceptual leaps from combining approaches from wildly different fields of research. AI regularly <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.20695">does this in math research</a>, combining results, approaches, and theorems from far-flung places that no human mathematician would have thought to combine. </p><p>It can do it in science, too. Much of scientific innovation, historically, has been &#8220;recombinant&#8221; innovation &#8212; scientists applying insights from one field to another. With AI, <strong>essentially all research is now cross-disciplinary</strong> &#8212; AI can read not just the literature on a particular subject, but the literature on a million other subjects that might have produced useful techniques or insights for the problem at hand.</p><h4>Superscience</h4><p>So far, all of the factors I&#8217;ve listed are ways that AI can speed up science as it&#8217;s already done. I&#8217;ve basically described how AI can send gigantic hordes of superhumanly fast, superhumanly well-read, superhumanly mathematically gifted researchers to re-accelerate scientific discovery. </p><p>But it&#8217;s also possible that AI will enable types of discovery &#8212; and ways of understanding the natural world &#8212; that no network of humans, no matter how large or how brilliant it was or how long it had to work, would ever be able to discover. In <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/what-will-more-intelligence-actually">a post back in July</a>, I wrote about how that might work:</p><blockquote><p>What if there are lots of&#8230;aspects of the Universe that [are] too complex to understand in terms of simple laws, but not so complex that they just dissolve into unknowable chaos? It&#8217;s possible that we can <em>reliably control </em>these complex phenomena with AI, even if we never reduce them to the kind of principles that we can teach a grad student in a textbook&#8230;</p><p>Another way of saying this is that there may be <em>laws of the universe that humans can&#8217;t understand but AI can</em>. I call these &#8220;cloud laws&#8221; &#8212; causal regularities that can be exploited by technology, but which are too diffuse and complex for an individual human being to either intuit or communicate&#8230;</p><p>Perhaps social sciences like economics, sociology, and political science obey similarly complex regularities, and AI can help us find them. Perhaps there are physical processes &#8212; plasma, or topological materials, or aerial turbulence, etc. &#8212; that obey cloud laws instead of chaos?&#8230;</p><p>[H]uman collaboration is bottlenecked &#8212; it&#8217;s limited by our ability to intuit patterns at an individual level, and to communicate these patterns from one individual to another. AI, being a computer, just doesn&#8217;t have this sort of limitation; it can work with vast, diffuse patterns without having to break them into pieces or simplify them in order to compress them into the tiny pipelines of person-to-person explanation&#8230;</p><p>If much of the Universe turns out to be ruled by cloud laws, we could be on the precipice of a scientific renaissance.</p></blockquote><p>In order to discover cloud laws, AI will need huge amounts of data about the natural world. AI figured out human speech by assimilating essentially all of the text humans have ever written. If it&#8217;s going to figure out hidden patterns in biology, neuroscience, materials science, etc., it&#8217;s going to need similarly massive amounts of data from physical instruments. </p><p>That data will be far, far more than humans &#8212; individually or collectively &#8212; would be able to parse, label, characterize, or model. But AI was built to do this. If scientists simply build huge arrays of sensors to measure complex phenomena like the brain, the cell, the economy, etc., they may be able to feed this flood of data to AI directly and bypass human cognitive intermediation entirely. AI would then learn about the world <em>directly</em>, and it might learn things that humans never could. </p><p>This &#8220;superscience&#8221;, if you want to call it that, would actually go beyond the kind of science humans have done heretofore. Many of the technologies it yielded would be beyond human comprehension &#8212; indistinguishable from magic. But to the AIs, they would make perfect scientific sense.</p><p>In any case, it seems clear that the scientific slowdown that threatened human progress will now be delayed &#8212; at least for a while. 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type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KCl-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b5caa2f-6bdf-48cc-9785-963744ee4cae_1006x600.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KCl-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b5caa2f-6bdf-48cc-9785-963744ee4cae_1006x600.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KCl-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5b5caa2f-6bdf-48cc-9785-963744ee4cae_1006x600.jpeg 848w, 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I have a fun announcement today, which is that I have a new side gig. I&#8217;ll be joining the Japanese VC firm Coral Capital as a Venture Partner! That&#8217;s less prestigious than it sounds &#8212; basically I&#8217;ll just be doing a few blog posts and helping to introduce them to folks in the U.S. But it&#8217;s still cool, and the Coral team is really great. The reason I&#8217;m doing this, of course, is to encourage more American investment into Japan, in order to revitalize that country&#8217;s economy. That was the subject of my book, <em><a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-weeb-economy">The Weeb Economy</a></em> (alternate title: <em>Weebs Will Save Japan</em>), which Coral helped to promote. I also want to contribute to <a href="https://www.mod.go.jp/j/press/wp/wp2026/pdf/DOJ2026_EN_Full.pdf">Japan&#8217;s ability to defend themselves</a> from an increasingly threatening regional environment; Coral is involved with defense tech as well. </p><p>Anyway, here are some excerpts from <a href="https://x.com/james_riney/status/2113044536645882073">Coral&#8217;s announcement</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Today we&#8217;re thrilled to announce that Noah Smith is joining Coral Capital as a Venture Partner&#8230;Noah is one of Japan&#8217;s greatest champions on the world stage&#8230;He lived in Japan for years, speaks the language, and has spent two decades studying its economy. Last year he published <em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%96%E3%81%8C%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%82%92%E6%95%91%E3%81%86%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BC%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E5%A4%A7%E5%A5%BD%E3%81%8D%E3%82%A8%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8E%E3%83%9F%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%81%AE%E7%B5%8C%E6%B8%88%E8%AB%96-%E3%83%8E%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9F%E3%82%B9%EF%BC%88Noah-Smith/dp/4296002090">Weebs Will Save Japan</a></em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%96%E3%81%8C%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%82%92%E6%95%91%E3%81%86%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BC%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E5%A4%A7%E5%A5%BD%E3%81%8D%E3%82%A8%E3%82%B3%E3%83%8E%E3%83%9F%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%81%AE%E7%B5%8C%E6%B8%88%E8%AB%96-%E3%83%8E%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9F%E3%82%B9%EF%BC%88Noah-Smith/dp/4296002090"> (Nikkei BP)</a>, a book on how Japan&#8217;s cultural gravity and industrial strengths can power its next era of growth. His next book, now in progress, covers Japan&#8217;s defense tech sector and national security. He has argued forcefully that Japan should attract more foreign capital and talent, that Japan can be America&#8217;s arsenal, and that Japan&#8217;s manufacturing prowess is one of the most underpriced assets in the global economy.</p><p>Long before we started working together, Noah was already making the case we&#8217;ve built our firm around&#8230;</p><p>The world&#8217;s focus is shifting from bits back to atoms. Reindustrialization, defense, energy, robotics, and physical AI are the defining investment themes of the next decade, and they play directly to Japan&#8217;s strengths. In these industries, language and culture barriers matter far less than monozukuri, the process power and manufacturing know-how Japan has compounded over decades. And as the world de-risks from Chinese supply chains, Japan has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to deepen its ties with the United States and fill the manufacturing voids being left behind&#8230;</p><p>Japan is America&#8217;s most important ally. It is the <a href="https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/direct-investment-country-and-industry-2024">largest foreign direct investor in the United States</a>, and Japanese companies support more American manufacturing jobs than any other foreign investor. Japan hosts more US service members than any other country in the world. The US-Japan corridor is the most consequential economic relationship in the world right now, and we intend to be the firm that bridges it.<br><br>This is the thesis we laid out in <a href="https://coralcap.co/2026/01/coral-capitals-2026-thesis/?lang=en">JAPAN IS BACK</a>, and it&#8217;s why we&#8217;ve partnered with companies leveraging Japan&#8217;s strengths to compete globally. <a href="https://coralcap.co/2026/06/accelerating-japan-with-anduril/?lang=en">Anduril</a> is not just selling to Japan but building in Japan, with plans to invest billions in manufacturing capacity here. <a href="https://kyotofusioneering.com/">Kyoto Fusioneering</a>, <a href="https://terawatt-technology.com/">TeraWatt Technology</a>, <a href="https://ookuma-dd.com/">Ookuma Diamond Device</a>, <a href="https://gitai.tech/">GITAI</a>, and many more are taking Japanese hard tech to the world&#8230;</p><p>The lost decades are over. It&#8217;s time the whole world knew.</p></blockquote><p>So anyway, you&#8217;ll be hearing a little more about that in the coming weeks and months! </p><p>OK, on to the roundup. First we have a very fun podcast appearance, in which I discuss a wide variety of topics with former streamers Lukas and Saila on their podcast, Plausibly Deniable:</p><div id="youtube2-8QlwiX9Cp7s" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;8QlwiX9Cp7s&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8QlwiX9Cp7s?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>And <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3cU3OBRKnYGY7fyGF6x2Th">here&#8217;s a Spotify link if you prefer</a>.</p><p>OK, on to this week&#8217;s interesting stories!</p><h4>1. The humanities are dying</h4><p>Back in 2022 I wrote a post arguing that the boom in humanities and social science education had created &#8220;<a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-elite-overproduction-hypothesis">elite overproduction</a>&#8221; &#8212; too many educated people expecting high-status jobs, and not enough academic, journalistic, legal, political, and nonprofit jobs to satisfy their dreams. I argued that this was one reason for the social unrest of the 2010s, as legions of frustrated smart people spent their energy and extra time attacking the American system they felt had jilted them &#8212; and applying ideas they had learned in academia to modern American politics via social media.</p><p>But whether or not that argument was right, I don&#8217;t think overproduction of humanities scholars is going to be a big problem going forward. From a new study called &#8220;<a href="https://academysciencesletters.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/humanities_in_crisis_circulation_report.pdf">The Humanities in Crisis</a>&#8221; by Ober et al., here&#8217;s a chart of the number of humanities dissertations in the U.S.:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-gdL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20dc3565-bc88-4ee7-a557-2e3a4c8d4ca2_877x415.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-gdL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20dc3565-bc88-4ee7-a557-2e3a4c8d4ca2_877x415.jpeg 424w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-gdL!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20dc3565-bc88-4ee7-a557-2e3a4c8d4ca2_877x415.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-gdL!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20dc3565-bc88-4ee7-a557-2e3a4c8d4ca2_877x415.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-gdL!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20dc3565-bc88-4ee7-a557-2e3a4c8d4ca2_877x415.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-gdL!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20dc3565-bc88-4ee7-a557-2e3a4c8d4ca2_877x415.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://academysciencesletters.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/10/humanities_in_crisis_circulation_report.pdf">Ober et al. (2026)</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Interestingly, the humanities decline has been going on for over a decade, while the decline in the social sciences is post-pandemic.</p><p>Why this is happening is not clear yet. Most people talk about the humanities being colonized by wokeness and driving reasonable people away from the field (Ober et al. discuss this theory at length). I personally suspect that the difficulty of getting a job as a humanities PhD is probably a bigger factor. Fewer undergrads are majoring in the humanities because they think it isn&#8217;t a good route to getting a job; this means less demand for humanities profs, and thus for humanities grad students.</p><p>But whatever it is, the humanities are clearly dying in American academia. </p><h4>2. Krugman&#8217;s data center crowd-out story is fishy</h4><p>I love Paul Krugman, and he&#8217;s usually right about things, but I do think he&#8217;s had <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/what-the-ai-boom-is-doing-for-americans">a bit of a blind spot when it comes to AI</a>. In <a href="https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/ai-versus-everything-else">a recent post</a>, he argued that the data center boom is crowding out other types of investment:</p><blockquote><p>Massive spending on data centers is crowding out investment in everything else in the economy&#8230;Surges in private spending, like the current immense AI boom&#8230;drive up interest rates. And that is where we are now: the surge in AI spending is driving up interest rates and crowding out all other investment. Indeed, in my October 4 <a href="https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/who-dropped-the-bonds-interest-rates">primer</a> I argued that the AI boom is the main cause of soaring long-term interest rates&#8230;</p><p>In other words, all that money going into construction of datacenters and purchasing foreign produced semiconductors comes at the expense of investment in everything else&#8230;[C]onstruction of datacenters appears to be diverting funds and resources from the construction of housing, office buildings, and factories &#8212; more or less everything that isn&#8217;t AI-related.</p></blockquote><p>But as <a href="https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2026/10/no-datacenters-are-not-crowding-out-other-investments.html">Alex Tabarrok notes</a>, the first chart Krugman uses to tell his story &#8212; courtesy of Steve Rattner &#8212; actually tells the opposite tale:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fmh4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dcaa274-b808-4124-bf60-e7e8458ce0d1_1002x587.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fmh4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dcaa274-b808-4124-bf60-e7e8458ce0d1_1002x587.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fmh4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dcaa274-b808-4124-bf60-e7e8458ce0d1_1002x587.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fmh4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0dcaa274-b808-4124-bf60-e7e8458ce0d1_1002x587.jpeg 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Steve Rattner via <a href="https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/ai-versus-everything-else">Paul Krugman</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>First of all, how is $51 billion of data center spending supposed to crowd out $120 billion of other spending? If supply curves slope up and demand curves slope down like they&#8217;re supposed to, a positive shock to the demand for data centers should only <em>partially</em> crowd out other spending. </p><p>Of course it&#8217;s possible that non-data-center investment is being crowded out not just by current data center spending, but by forward-looking expectations of <em>even more</em> data center spending in the future. That&#8217;s perfectly reasonable &#8212; interest rates might have risen in response to those forward-looking expectations, choking off non-data-center investment immediately. </p><p>But as Tabarrok also points out, the timing for that story is very odd. Rattner&#8217;s chart shows non-data-center construction falling off a cliff sometime in mid-2025. But the big rise in real interest rates happened three years earlier in 2022-23:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dcnS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7f092fe-c208-4a97-86ba-d5583c05f8e9_1320x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dcnS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7f092fe-c208-4a97-86ba-d5583c05f8e9_1320x450.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dcnS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd7f092fe-c208-4a97-86ba-d5583c05f8e9_1320x450.png 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Why would it take three years for rising rates to start crowding out non-data-center construction? It&#8217;s not clear. </p><p>So for Krugman to be right, the sequence of events has to have gone like this:</p><ol><li><p>Real rates rise in anticipation of AI boom (1/2022 - 10/2023)</p></li><li><p>GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 make everyone realize AI is a big deal (12/2022-3/2023)</p></li><li><p>Non-data-center construction falls years later (8/2025)</p></li></ol><p>That <em>could</em> be true, I suppose &#8212; any macroeconomic story will generally hold up if you throw in enough assumptions about long and variable lags &#8212; but it seems pretty fishy! In any case, just posting charts of &#8220;data center go up, other stuff go down&#8221; is not sufficient to prove that significant crowd-out is occurring. </p><h4>3. China&#8217;s local governments are in big trouble</h4><p>Because of the history of how Europe developed strong governments, we tend to associate state capacity with high taxes. But that&#8217;s not always the case. Despite its fearsome state capacity, the People&#8217;s Republic of China has always been a low-tax country. A lot of the responsibility for paying for public goods &#8212; and, until recently, for industrial policy &#8212; was farmed out to local governments. But instead of collecting taxes &#8212; much of which they would have to remit to the central government &#8212; those local governments often chose to <em>sell real estate</em> to pay for their operations. </p><p>That strategy is now hitting a wall. The country&#8217;s property sales are crashing:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg" width="670" height="450.96153846153845" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:630,&quot;width&quot;:936,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:670,&quot;bytes&quot;:54576,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/i/222264141?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!5OXO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F54b16bbf-3aa5-41c0-bb73-dc71f20a29fc_936x630.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2114847475743818202">TKL</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>So China&#8217;s local governments are no longer taking in nearly as much money as they used to. As a result, they&#8217;re going deeply into debt. Shih and Elkobi have <a href="https://jonathan-elkobi.github.io/homepage/uploads/Shih_Elkobi_End_of_Fiscal_Autonomy_CQ.pdf">a new paper</a> showing the extent of the problem. They write:</p><blockquote><p>[W]e show that fiscal autonomy has been heavily eroded in the vast majority of localities in China since 2018. The bond data show that by the end of 2025, average monthly debt servicing had surpassed 50 per cent of monthly budgetary and extrabudgetary income for all but seven Chinese provincial units.</p></blockquote><p>The problem is the collapse in property sales (&#8220;EBF&#8221;):</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg" width="634" height="397.3066666666667" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:564,&quot;width&quot;:900,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:634,&quot;bytes&quot;:25974,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/i/222264141?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KSIn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa14ed4ff-f922-4ac5-9b34-f8dc5de97f45_900x564.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/vshih2/status/2114619515615207865">Victor Shih</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The central government will pick up the bill, but <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/a0ffc43a-231a-40aa-b5f9-521757830087?syn-25a6b1a6=1">it&#8217;s heavily indebted as well</a>, so it will pay the local governments&#8217; bills only reluctantly.</p><p>The upshot here is twofold. First, the relative provincial autonomy that drove China&#8217;s dynamism during the 1990s, 2000s, and early 2010s may now be over; everything looks likely to be increasingly centralized. And second, China&#8217;s local governments are going to be too burdened by debt to do much of anything for a few years. China&#8217;s local governments were one of its strongest engines of growth during the long boom, but that era looks like it&#8217;s over now. </p><h4>4. Is AI the vindication of financial capitalism?</h4><p>The speed of AI progress has been truly dizzying. A lot of this has come in the form of cost declines &#8212; each AI task keeps getting much much cheaper every year. Epoch AI has a good chart showing this:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg" width="558" height="697.7719298245614" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vaok!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F43606064-a952-464d-be48-20ed2846e6f5_1026x1283.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/EpochAIResearch/status/2102510281176023529">Epoch AI</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>But <a href="https://x.com/karthiktadepall/status/2102914093757895049">Karthik Tadepalli estimates</a> that if we look at AI&#8217;s cost decrease as a function of how much we&#8217;ve spent on AI research, it doesn&#8217;t stand out as much:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i4L4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84adfade-f640-4de4-b2a7-ec0c3cb80ae8_1500x1080.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i4L4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84adfade-f640-4de4-b2a7-ec0c3cb80ae8_1500x1080.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i4L4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84adfade-f640-4de4-b2a7-ec0c3cb80ae8_1500x1080.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i4L4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84adfade-f640-4de4-b2a7-ec0c3cb80ae8_1500x1080.jpeg 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84adfade-f640-4de4-b2a7-ec0c3cb80ae8_1500x1080.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1048,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:98399,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/i/222264141?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84adfade-f640-4de4-b2a7-ec0c3cb80ae8_1500x1080.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/karthiktadepall/status/2102914093757895049">Karthik Tadepalli</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>In other words, a big reason AI is getting so cheap, so fast, is that we&#8217;ve been pouring unprecedented amounts of cash into making it better. In fact, we&#8217;ve been basically spending all the cash that we saved over the previous decade and a half of hoarding cash. </p><p>James Gilliland <a href="https://x.com/jegilliland/status/2103106470531215743?s=61">wonders</a> if this was the plan all along:</p><blockquote><p>It pains me to say this, but if we actually &#8220;get AGI,&#8221; the resulting boom in industrial capacity from robotics and massive society-wide wealth creation will look like a total vindication of neoliberalism&#8230;The discourse about financialization and offshoring being a generational mistake may be replaced by a very different historical interpretation: that the late 20th and early 21st centuries were an enormous capital-accumulation phase, freeing up civilization-scale pools of liquid capital that could ultimately be deployed to accelerate and bring about the most consequential technological phase-change in human history&#8230;In that telling, what looked like deindustrialization and betrayal from inside the period (I grew up in the Rust Belt, I know) becomes the prelude to reindustrialization on an almost unimaginable scale.</p></blockquote><p>For decades, it looked like financial capitalism was broken &#8212; no one was thinking for the long term, everyone just cared about quarterly numbers and shareholder buybacks, equity couldn&#8217;t fund massive investments, everyone just wanted to maximize short-term profits and outsource anything capital-intensive to China, and so on.</p><p>Then AI came along, and suddenly it looks like we were actually saving up for something useful. We weren&#8217;t, of course &#8212; no one knew AI was as big of an opportunity as it&#8217;s proving to be. But maybe financial capitalism worked. Maybe companies like Google just looked at the available investment opportunities before AI and said &#8220;Nah&#8221; &#8212; just like Corporate Finance 101 says they were supposed to do.</p><p>And then finally a good investment opportunity came along, and they poured in every dollar they had &#8212; and it worked. </p><h4>5. A cool Japanese trick for building more housing and infrastructure</h4><p>Going to Japan can be a radicalizing experience for Westerners. The cleanliness, the lack of crime, the artistry, the attention to detail, and plenty of other things make Japan feel <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/tokyo-is-the-new-paris">almost magical</a>. But one of the most magical things is the <em>housing</em>. Japanese cities build enormous amounts of housing &#8212; far more than their counterparts in the U.S. Housing in Tokyo or Osaka isn&#8217;t exactly <em>affordable </em>&#8212; Japanese salaries are far lower than American salaries &#8212; but regular people can afford to live fairly near the city center, and Japanese rents <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/julia-r-cartwright-32754a194_tokyo-nyc-housing-activity-7511497532569477121-alch">haven&#8217;t risen for a long time</a>. </p><p>How do they do it? A lot of analyses focus on Japan&#8217;s <a href="https://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html">streamlined, efficient zoning laws</a>. The fact that they use bureaucrats instead of courts to do environmental review speeds things up a lot as well. But an often-overlooked factor is how Japan gets <em>local political buy-in</em> for new housing development projects. Instead of either trying to steamroll NIMBYs or kowtowing to them &#8212; the two approaches used in the United States &#8212; Japan manages them as stakeholders in the process of local development. </p><p>Cremieux had a good blog post about this about a year ago:</p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:152537099,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/yes-and-urbanism&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1163860,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Cremieux Recueil&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!txGc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8273d979-4429-4cb6-a748-dd5dacd7aab1_512x512.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;\&quot;Yes, and...\&quot; Urbanism&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;Alternative subtitle: &#8220;What can we learn about zoning from how other places manage it?&#8221;&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2025-05-06T18:54:29.025Z&quot;,&quot;like_count&quot;:81,&quot;comment_count&quot;:27,&quot;bylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:109001275,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Cremieux&quot;,&quot;handle&quot;:&quot;cremieux&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5795cad2-b537-436d-9f35-f838ed76b31a_886x1273.jpeg&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:null,&quot;profile_set_up_at&quot;:&quot;2022-10-29T06:10:07.743Z&quot;,&quot;reader_installed_at&quot;:&quot;2024-06-20T17:14:29.987Z&quot;,&quot;publicationUsers&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:1116544,&quot;user_id&quot;:109001275,&quot;publication_id&quot;:1163860,&quot;role&quot;:&quot;admin&quot;,&quot;public&quot;:true,&quot;is_primary&quot;:true,&quot;publication&quot;:{&quot;id&quot;:1163860,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Cremieux Recueil&quot;,&quot;subdomain&quot;:&quot;cremieux&quot;,&quot;custom_domain&quot;:&quot;www.cremieux.xyz&quot;,&quot;custom_domain_optional&quot;:false,&quot;hero_text&quot;:&quot;I discuss papers that ought to be discussed.&quot;,&quot;logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8273d979-4429-4cb6-a748-dd5dacd7aab1_512x512.png&quot;,&quot;author_id&quot;:109001275,&quot;primary_user_id&quot;:109001275,&quot;theme_var_background_pop&quot;:&quot;#FF81CD&quot;,&quot;created_at&quot;:&quot;2022-10-29T06:11:30.631Z&quot;,&quot;email_from_name&quot;:null,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Cremieux&quot;,&quot;founding_plan_name&quot;:&quot;Justiciar&quot;,&quot;community_enabled&quot;:true,&quot;invite_only&quot;:false,&quot;payments_state&quot;:&quot;enabled&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:null,&quot;explicit&quot;:false,&quot;homepage_type&quot;:&quot;magaziney&quot;,&quot;is_personal_mode&quot;:false,&quot;logo_url_wide&quot;:null}}],&quot;twitter_screen_name&quot;:&quot;cremieuxrecueil&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:1000,&quot;status&quot;:{&quot;bestsellerTier&quot;:1000,&quot;subscriberTier&quot;:null,&quot;leaderboard&quot;:null,&quot;vip&quot;:false,&quot;badge&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;bestseller&quot;,&quot;tier&quot;:1000},&quot;subscriber&quot;:null}}],&quot;utm_campaign&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;,&quot;source&quot;:null}" data-component-name="EmbeddedPostToDOM"><a class="embedded-post" native="true" href="https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/yes-and-urbanism?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;embedding_publication_id=35345"><div class="embedded-post-header"><img class="embedded-post-publication-logo" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!txGc!,w_56,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8273d979-4429-4cb6-a748-dd5dacd7aab1_512x512.png" loading="lazy"><span class="embedded-post-publication-name">Cremieux Recueil</span></div><div class="embedded-post-title-wrapper"><div class="embedded-post-title">"Yes, and..." Urbanism</div></div><div class="embedded-post-body">Alternative subtitle: &#8220;What can we learn about zoning from how other places manage it&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">a year ago &#183; 81 likes &#183; 27 comments &#183; Cremieux</div></a></div><p>One of his sources is <a href="https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/481571569562840686/pdf/Land-Readjustment-in-Japan-Case-Study.pdf">this World Bank case study</a> by Matsui Minoru, which explains Japan&#8217;s approach of &#8220;land readjustment&#8221;. </p><p>In the U.S., when we think of &#8220;redevelopment&#8221;, we think of a developer basically kicking existing tenants out of their homes and building something else where their homes used to be. But in Japan, it often involves building the existing tenants a new home on the same spot, which they are then entitled to rent for the same price they were paying before. Here&#8217;s an illustration:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R5fY!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d621cbf-0e2d-4d45-9a32-542099a01c48_840x371.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R5fY!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d621cbf-0e2d-4d45-9a32-542099a01c48_840x371.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R5fY!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d621cbf-0e2d-4d45-9a32-542099a01c48_840x371.jpeg 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/481571569562840686/pdf/Land-Readjustment-in-Japan-Case-Study.pdf">Matsui (2019)</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Japan actually has incredibly strong tenant protections. You&#8217;d think this would make it harder to tear down old buildings to build new housing, but thanks to land readjustment, it&#8217;s easier than in America.</p><p>Cremieux then goes on to explain how Japan uses land readjustment in lieu of America&#8217;s more forceful eminent domain laws to build high-quality infrastructure:</p><blockquote><p>With land readjustment, no one is expropriated. Everyone maintains a plot and infrastructure gets built. People only compromise on size, proximity, to other plots, and so on. As a means of provisioning urban infrastructure, this is obviously going to be more acceptable to large numbers of people than is the use of eminent domain. But is it better than simply not building at all?</p><p>People who already own land might wish to keep it a certain way. Land readjustment might not be for them, and it&#8217;s likely to make them very upset because the people around them might vote to change their claims around.<sup> </sup>But enough people will agree to land readjustments in enough places that it can have radical impacts on economic geography, rewarding those who accept it with access to new infrastructure and higher densities. There will even be some people who elect to have the government or firms build infrastructure on their jointly-held parcels, letting them bid to build on their land. When the building is through, it&#8217;ll be returned to its owners in their newly-arranged plots.</p></blockquote><p>People who stubbornly insist on thinking of Japan as a hierarchical, conformist, collectivist society will surely find ways to convince themselves that this is the kind of thing American individualism would never allow. But in fact, Japan&#8217;s system has far stronger protections for individual renters, while America&#8217;s system often only gets things done using the heavy hand of government. </p><p>What Japan&#8217;s land-use system really shows is the value of negotiation, compromise, and respect for individual dignity. Those are all lessons we could stand to learn.</p><h4>6. Phones bad</h4><p>As someone who has been shouting about the ills of smartphone-enabled social media for years now, it gratifies me to see that more people around the world &#8212; and especially in developed countries &#8212; are coming to see social media as something that&#8217;s bad for democracy:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg" width="422" height="872.4604651162791" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1778,&quot;width&quot;:860,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:422,&quot;bytes&quot;:166194,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/i/222264141?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8Pgm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe48ab3d5-1b00-4782-b384-b39cdbae5725_860x1778.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/10/01/across-the-globe-people-increasingly-say-social-media-is-harming-democracy/">Pew</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>That&#8217;s in addition, of course, to other negative effects &#8212; <a href="https://x.com/BrandonLuuMD/status/2106700870985322586">cognitive difficulties, reduced emotional well-being</a>, and <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/are-you-finally-ready-to-admit-its">ultra-low fertility</a>. </p><p>What can we do about the problem? One thing we can do is to make sure people grow up without overdosing on phone-enabled social media, so that they can learn to use it when they&#8217;re older without it shaping their personalities and minds as much. Greece is leading the charge &#8212; its legislature recently passed <a href="https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/greece-passes-social-media-ban-children-under-15-2026-10-23/">a ban on social media for children under the age of 15</a>. </p><h4>7. China is losing market share in low-end manufacturing</h4><p>Most countries&#8217; industrial development follows a familiar pattern. They start out making simple stuff like clothes, furniture, and toys, and doing simple electronics assembly. They then shed those labor-intensive starter industries as they move up into more capital-intensive, high-tech, higher-value sectors like machine tools, autos, electronics components, and so on. </p><p>A lot of people are saying that China is going to buck this trend. The leadership has declared that even as the country moves up the value chain in traditional fashion, <a href="https://andrewbatson.com/2023/10/03/china-wants-those-low-end-industries-after-all/">it wants to keep the cheap labor-intensive stuff</a> from migrating overseas as it usually does. This is <a href="https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2026/china-squeeze-response-our-critics">being called the &#8220;China Squeeze&#8221;</a>, and people are writing that it threatens other countries&#8217; path to development. If China keeps outcompeting Bangladesh, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. in the low-end industries, how are those countries supposed to industrialize? </p><p>Except the China Squeeze doesn&#8217;t seem to be succeeding. Despite the leadership&#8217;s wishes, China is losing market share in lots of labor-intensive industries:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg" width="606" height="580.1025641025641" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!E6uV!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F533f2e68-f23f-4840-9a81-ec2f42c3af5c_819x784.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/kyleichan/status/2107425802434535565">Kyle Chan</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And which countries are gaining in these industries at China&#8217;s expense? Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Mexico (and some European countries):</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg" width="674" height="510.107421875" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kYp5!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda91b724-21c2-4d33-a24d-5bf0d6ee6feb_1024x775.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/kyleichan/status/2107425808809705953">Kyle Chan</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Modern pundits often just assume that the Chinese state is industrially omnipotent &#8212; that if Xi Jinping declares &#8220;This industry shall remain in China&#8221;, then indeed it shall. But the outmigration of low-value labor-intensive manufacturing industries looks like a law of nature that even the mighty CCP can slow, but not halt.</p><p>Good. </p><h4>8. Rent control bad</h4><p>John Burn-Murdoch did the Lord&#8217;s work when he synthesized the results of 112 studies on rent control into a single chart:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_9-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F056467af-1717-4ddf-960d-e09f82788e25_920x706.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_9-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F056467af-1717-4ddf-960d-e09f82788e25_920x706.jpeg 424w, 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But it removes the incentive for developers to build new housing, which raises rents in other nearby areas and drives some people to homelessness. It also removes the incentive for landlords to upkeep their properties, resulting in decay. (And that&#8217;s not even getting into the ways that rent control policies <a href="https://x.com/CSElmendorf/status/2107118971774464348">can be gamed</a>.)</p><p>I know lots of people love rent control, but it&#8217;s really a loser of a policy. 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I remember clicking on the little blue square of the Netscape Navigator icon &#8212; that little ship wheel with a starry sky behind it &#8212; and feeling like an entire new magical world had opened up. My life changed that day, and the world changed. In a way, the internet is like another realm layered on top of ours &#8212; a higher plane, where we exist as spirit creatures, unmoored from our physical bodies.</p><p>Fantasy stories like that often end with a cautionary tale, where the wizards &#8212; lustful for both power and knowledge, as usual &#8212; go too far and summon some kind of Doom upon themselves and the realm they created. In October 2026, that sort of story happened in reality. <a href="https://x.com/spicey_lemonade/status/2045314904014352422">Experts had been warning for months</a> that the arrival of AI agents that are extremely good at coding was going to cause serious disruptions to the digital realm sometime this fall. For a while things seemed calm, but this month the chaos exploded:</p><blockquote><p>[A] wave of artificial-intelligence-powered attacks&#8230;has flooded the internet in recent weeks, as hackers increasingly turn to agents and AI hacking tools that make intrusions faster and harder to track than ever before&#8230;At the same time as new tools speed up hackers, cyber defenders are also racing to fix the fast-growing volume of <a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-is-finding-bugs-that-hackers-can-exploit-get-ready-for-bugmageddon-baaff236?mod=article_inline">security bugs discovered by AI</a>, before hackers can exploit the new flaws&#8230;On Wednesday, organizations scrambled to patch newly uncovered bugs that could allow <strong><a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/cybersecurity/ai-just-found-a-bug-that-puts-up-to-70-of-the-worlds-websites-at-risk-fd0902ea?mod=article_inline">takeover of as many as 70%</a> of the world&#8217;s websites</strong>. Hackers are now actively trying to break into websites by leveraging these flaws, <a href="https://www.wsj.com/market-data/stock/amzn?mod=article_chiclet">Amazon.com</a> says. [emphasis mine]</p></blockquote><p>For a more sophisticated description of what&#8217;s going on, I recommend Zvi Mowshowitz&#8217;s post &#8220;The Hackening&#8221;:</p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:221622350,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://thezvi.substack.com/p/the-hackening&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:573100,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Don't Worry About the Vase&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The Hackening&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;Last week at a small conference, there was talk about a future event referred to as The Hackening. As in, within 6-12 months, many predicted that due to advanced AIs and AI agents the internet would become a severely hostile place. Some worried that this could rise to the level of &#8216;assume any phone connected to the internet is rooted&#8217; and several people&#8230;&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-23T21:13:08.768Z&quot;,&quot;like_count&quot;:95,&quot;comment_count&quot;:25,&quot;bylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:10446622,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Zvi Mowshowitz&quot;,&quot;handle&quot;:&quot;thezvi&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e61e08-4086-4cba-a82c-d31d64270804_48x48.png&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Zvi Mowshowitz writes at thezvi.substack.com (Twitter @thezvi) about a variety of topics, currently primarily AI, attempting to model the world. &quot;,&quot;profile_set_up_at&quot;:&quot;2021-04-17T22:11:09.548Z&quot;,&quot;reader_installed_at&quot;:&quot;2023-10-25T06:31:48.842Z&quot;,&quot;publicationUsers&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:506043,&quot;user_id&quot;:10446622,&quot;publication_id&quot;:573100,&quot;role&quot;:&quot;admin&quot;,&quot;public&quot;:true,&quot;is_primary&quot;:true,&quot;publication&quot;:{&quot;id&quot;:573100,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Don't Worry About the Vase&quot;,&quot;subdomain&quot;:&quot;thezvi&quot;,&quot;custom_domain&quot;:null,&quot;custom_domain_optional&quot;:false,&quot;hero_text&quot;:&quot;A world made of gears. Doing both speed premium short term updates and long term world model building. Currently focused on weekly AI updates. Explorations include AI, policy, rationality, medicine and fertility, education and games.&quot;,&quot;logo_url&quot;:null,&quot;author_id&quot;:10446622,&quot;primary_user_id&quot;:10446622,&quot;theme_var_background_pop&quot;:&quot;#9A6600&quot;,&quot;created_at&quot;:&quot;2021-11-18T14:55:31.300Z&quot;,&quot;email_from_name&quot;:null,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Zvi Mowshowitz&quot;,&quot;founding_plan_name&quot;:&quot;Founding Member&quot;,&quot;community_enabled&quot;:true,&quot;invite_only&quot;:false,&quot;payments_state&quot;:&quot;enabled&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:null,&quot;explicit&quot;:false,&quot;homepage_type&quot;:null,&quot;is_personal_mode&quot;:false,&quot;logo_url_wide&quot;:null}}],&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:100,&quot;status&quot;:{&quot;bestsellerTier&quot;:100,&quot;subscriberTier&quot;:1,&quot;leaderboard&quot;:null,&quot;vip&quot;:false,&quot;badge&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;bestseller&quot;,&quot;tier&quot;:100},&quot;subscriber&quot;:null}}],&quot;utm_campaign&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;,&quot;source&quot;:null}" data-component-name="EmbeddedPostToDOM"><a class="embedded-post" native="true" href="https://thezvi.substack.com/p/the-hackening?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;embedding_publication_id=35345"><div class="embedded-post-header"><span></span><span class="embedded-post-publication-name">Don't Worry About the Vase</span></div><div class="embedded-post-title-wrapper"><div class="embedded-post-title">The Hackening</div></div><div class="embedded-post-body">Last week at a small conference, there was talk about a future event referred to as The Hackening. As in, within 6-12 months, many predicted that due to advanced AIs and AI agents the internet would become a severely hostile place. Some worried that this could rise to the level of &#8216;assume any phone connected to the internet is rooted&#8217; and several people&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">16 days ago &#183; 95 likes &#183; 25 comments &#183; Zvi Mowshowitz</div></a></div><p>If you would like some <a href="https://x.com/cgtwts/status/2113254987249955220">lists of the hacks</a> that had taken place as of yesterday, <a href="https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/2113141875368468508">here are a few</a> from <a href="https://x.com/rynorhn/status/2113300046821175778">Twitter</a>. The most important hacks mostly involved PHP, a software language that underlies much of the Web. After AI found critical vulnerabilities in PHP, the National Security Agency <a href="https://x.com/NSACyber/status/2112903220209098897">issued the following statement</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Effective Immediately, all organizations using PHP for their systems are advised to be prepared for an update addressing two critical vulnerabilities. PHP is widely used for web applications. These vulnerabilities often provide a direct path to the server's file system or database. If an immediate update is not feasible, it is recommend that organizations take the system offline until it can be fully mitigated. NSA will follow up shortly with more specific guidance.</p></blockquote><p>Cybersecurity experts and web companies warn that <a href="https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/ai-discovered-bugs-may-soon-trigger-fresh-disruptions-cyber-experts-say-2026-10-23/">this is just the tip of the iceberg</a> &#8212; a lot more craziness is on the way. Azeem Azhar calls it &#8220;<a href="https://www.exponentialview.co/p/the-internets-wuhan-moment">the internet&#8217;s Wuhan moment</a>&#8221;. </p><p>Basically, what&#8217;s going on is this:</p><ul><li><p>The internet runs on a bunch of code written by human beings over a period of years. Human beings are sloppy and fallible, so there are lots of vulnerabilities in this code.</p></li><li><p>AI models are really good at coding now, so they&#8217;re able to find and exploit a lot of those old vulnerabilities that were just lying around. AI agents work incredibly fast and cheap, so they&#8217;re capable of finding a whole LOT of vulnerabilities very quickly.</p></li><li><p>Open-weight AI models &#8212; especially from China &#8212; have democratized access to high-quality AI hacking. These models can be fairly easily &#8220;abliterated&#8221; &#8212; i.e., their guardrails can be easily removed, so that they will do illegal or unethical things. </p></li><li><p>This is allowing a combination of countries, crime syndicates, and <strong>regular people</strong> to hack tons of websites and online infrastructure, all at once. </p></li></ul><p>This last part is really key. You don&#8217;t need the resources of a nation-state or even a big organized crime ring to commit cybercrimes now. You don&#8217;t even have to know how to code, or how websites work, or what &#8220;hacking&#8221; even really means. Consider this example:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/cryptopunk7213/status/2113635562166866115&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;the hacker that stole 5200+ records from a university asked his telegram AI bot:\n\n\&quot;Can you find about like what scam or thing they done in past like spoofing calls or somthing?\&quot;\n\nthe AI then scoured websites, found exploits in a public university's platform and stole records. i'm&#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;cryptopunk7213&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ejaaz&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/2028549983431987200/A0a062o__normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-23T14:16:02.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVUkUVYXQAAIHCF.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/U2pOLDqJ2l&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;&#8252;&#65039; A low-skill hacker used a jailbroken DeepSeek V4 to breach an Indian public university and steal 5,200+ student and faculty records, Unit 42 says.\n\nThe AI agent even drafted a \&quot;NEXT EXPLOIT OPPORTUNITIES\&quot; plan.\n\nUnrelated criminals now run the same cheap DeepSeek setup.&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;IntCyberDigest&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;International Cyber Digest&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1831435438562615296/imkSFey2_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVL9kn9WMAAkStI.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/LpujcpkWid&quot;},{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HVL9mHSXUAAnXkO.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/LpujcpkWid&quot;}]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:4,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:22,&quot;like_count&quot;:151,&quot;impression_count&quot;:51874,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>When you can hack into a university and steal files by typing &#8220;Can you find about like what scam or thing they done in past like spoofing calls or somthing?&#8221;, <em>there is no barrier to cybercrime</em>. There is effectively <em>no moat</em> of knowledge or skill or resources. It&#8217;s open season for anyone who wants to hack anything. </p><p>Just a year ago, the internet was a bright and airy garden with few predators. As of this October, it&#8217;s a chaotic realm haunted by infinite demons. </p><p>This sudden explosion of AI-assisted hacking raises the possibility that the internet itself, as we have known it, will cease to function &#8212; at least, for a while. </p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/NSACyber/status/2112903220209098897&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Effective Immediately, all organizations using PHP for their systems are advised to be prepared for an update addressing two critical vulnerabilities. PHP is widely used for web applications. These vulnerabilities often provide a direct path to the server's file system or&#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;NSACyber&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;NSA Cyber&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1263161369987252224/KIWMshih_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-21T13:45:58.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:1303,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:10844,&quot;like_count&quot;:70327,&quot;impression_count&quot;:12435605,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Jeremie Harris, founder of Gladstone AI,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> <a href="https://x.com/jeremiecharris/status/2113346578886885735">wrote that</a> &#8220;There's a decent chance the internet ceases to exist as such, at least for a time.&#8221; John Gedmark, founder of satellite company Astranis, was just one of many people talking about <a href="https://x.com/Gedmark/status/2113449401058541960">creating air-gapped local networks</a> to prepare for the possibility that the internet itself might go down:</p><blockquote><p>Basically everything connected to the internet is at risk. Not just company websites and the usual databases of sensitive personal information, but all our critical infrastructure-- banks, power grids, pipelines, government agencies, all of it&#8230;[A]t Astranis we&#8217;ve seen a massive uptick in demand for truly air-gapped, sovereign networks, deployed via dedicated satellite to span an entire country or connect a large enterprise&#8230;Over the past year we&#8217;ve begun working with some of our customers on what it will take to implement truly air-gapped, standalone networks in support of mission critical use cases like core government functions, emergency response, defense, core infrastructure, or all of the above.</p></blockquote><p>And Jason D. Clinton, deputy head of cybersecurity at Anthropic, warned back in August that humans may need to temporarily abandon the internet:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/JasonDClinton/status/2090543566682718542&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;The vulnerability tsunami is coming in just a few months and there won&#8217;t be enough time to patch critical infrastructure. Network isolation described below (air-gaps and data diodes!) needed now!&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;JasonDClinton&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Jason D. Clinton &#128312;&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1836256630121598976/D4QeJuxW_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-08-20T20:56:41.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;NSA and others releases guidance on applying prevention tactics to strengthen defense of U.S-based programmable logic controllers being targeted by cyber actors using AI. Learn more: \nhttps://t.co/HO99aak50Y \n#cybersecurity #AI&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;NSACyber&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;NSA Cyber&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1263161369987252224/KIWMshih_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:39,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:206,&quot;like_count&quot;:1698,&quot;impression_count&quot;:974873,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Some people may respond to this by shrugging and saying &#8220;Who cares? When the AIs take down the internet, people will go offline and touch grass.&#8221; In fact, I&#8217;ve been saying that on X, but it&#8217;s obviously sarcastic. Yes, it would be fine if internet <em>entertainment</em> became unavailable. But over the past three decades, we&#8217;ve moved essentially everything in our society to the online realm. </p><p>Every piece of critical infrastructure in our entire country is networked, in some way, through the internet. You don&#8217;t <em>need </em>the internet to run a power plant or a water treatment facility &#8212; we ran those things before the internet existed. But we <em>do </em>run them all over the internet, because for a long time the internet seemed like an unassailable, utterly reliable piece of infrastructure. It never went down, it was always available, and previous waves of fear over the Y2K bug or various worms and viruses never really turned into anything serious. So for the sake of convenience, everything is at least partially online now. </p><p>Consider your life&#8217;s savings. Do you think there&#8217;s a piece of paper somewhere that records how much money you have? Or which stocks and bonds you own? In general, there is not. Your entire life&#8217;s savings exist as entries in the databases of banks, brokerages, etc. And all of those databases are, directly or indirectly, connected to the internet. The only thing standing between you and total involuntary redistribution of most of your wealth is the cybersecurity capabilities of banks and brokerages. And as of this October, those cybersecurity capabilities are looking a lot less reliable. </p>
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several hundred million dollars in property damage and theft &#8211; France faces a toxic mix of urban rebellion, political drift and economic crisis&#8230;There was rampant looting in Paris, Marseille, Bordeaux and other cities, while the city hall in Limoges, which survived two world wars, was badly damaged by fire and its clock spire collapsed.</p><p>The violence at the weekend, which led to some 2,400 arrests, followed weeks of protests by French students angry about crumbling schools, a lack of teachers and dismal job prospects.</p></blockquote><p>If there&#8217;s a reason I&#8217;m writing about this a bit late, it&#8217;s because &#8220;rioting in France&#8221; is a little like &#8220;rain in Seattle&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_France">not exactly an unusual occurrence</a>. In 2023, France had <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahel_Merzouk_riots">a week of nationwide riots over a police killing</a>. From 2018 to 2020, France was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_protests">rocked by over a year and a half</a> of near-continuous &#8220;Yellow Vest&#8221; protests and riots over economic issues. I remember two decades ago, reading about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots">weeks of rioting in the French suburbs</a>, accompanied by endless photos of burning cars. And so on. </p><p>French people like to riot. But this time, things are a little bit different, for a couple of reasons. First of all, this wave of unrest is accompanied by serious economic troubles. 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stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But unlike some countries whose rates have also risen, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2026/oct/21/french-borrowing-costs-failure-to-pass-budget-govenment-bonds-violent-street-protests">investors have serious doubts</a> that France&#8217;s government will take the necessary steps to pay back what it owes. The price that investors have to pay to insure against a French sovereign default has shot up even more abruptly than interest rates:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg" width="1265" height="652" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4ZKr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e0d967d-128a-4831-93b4-4b8c60119db7_1265x652.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://en.macromicro.me/charts/68251/france-5year-cds">MacroMicro</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Basically, investors are starting to think that France won&#8217;t pay back its debt &#8212; that instead of raising taxes or cutting spending, the country will simply pay the cost of rising interest rates by borrowing even more money. Instead, investors are starting to worry that France will simply default on its bonds. </p><p>In <a href="https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/whats-the-matter-with-france">a widely read post</a> a couple of weeks ago, Paul Krugman argued that the problem lies with France&#8217;s old-age pensions, which are eating an increasingly enormous amount of the country&#8217;s GDP and seem politically immune to any cuts:</p><blockquote><p>The rise in interest rates on French government bonds is largely driven by heightened perceptions of the risk that France could default on its national debt&#8230;France is on a fiscally unsustainable path. Debt is already very high as a percentage of GDP, and the French government is adding to that debt by running large budget deficits even though there is no emergency like a war, a severe recession, or a pandemic to justify such deficits. Furthermore, France has an aging population, which means that pension costs will, other things equal, grow much faster than revenue&#8230;</p><p>France does stand out, even among fiscally troubled nations, in one main way: its persistent inability to get realistic about retirement&#8230;The official French retirement age&#8230;was only 62 in 2023&#8230;The average actual age of retirement&#8230;was lower in France than anywhere else in Western Europe&#8230;Macron&#8217;s center-right government was on track to gradually raise the retirement age to 64, still low by the standards of other advanced nations. But due to opposition by the extreme right and the extreme left parties in France, this rise has been frozen until after next year&#8217;s election.</p></blockquote><p>In other words, France needs austerity, but it can&#8217;t get it, because the French people demand ever-increasing spending. France&#8217;s government already takes up a larger share of GDP than almost any other rich country &#8212; significantly more than Sweden or Denmark:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k09P!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcba5126e-7dc3-4a97-99ad-c1ad76e771f2_1020x726.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k09P!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcba5126e-7dc3-4a97-99ad-c1ad76e771f2_1020x726.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k09P!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcba5126e-7dc3-4a97-99ad-c1ad76e771f2_1020x726.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k09P!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcba5126e-7dc3-4a97-99ad-c1ad76e771f2_1020x726.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k09P!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcba5126e-7dc3-4a97-99ad-c1ad76e771f2_1020x726.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k09P!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcba5126e-7dc3-4a97-99ad-c1ad76e771f2_1020x726.jpeg" width="1020" height="726" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/historical-gov-spending-gdp?tab=line&amp;time=2000..latest&amp;country=FRA~GBR~SWE~DNK~DEU~NLD~USA~CAN~AUS&amp;mapSelect=~FRA">OWID</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And indeed, a very hefty chunk of that social spending goes to either old-age pensions or to health (which is heavily weighted toward the old):</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/social-expenditure-as-percentage-of-gdp?time=2007..latest&amp;country=~FRA">OWID</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Of course, there&#8217;s another way to do austerity besides cutting spending &#8212; France could raise taxes. But this will also be tough. France&#8217;s taxes are already higher as a share of its GDP than any other rich country, including the famously high-tax Scandinavian countries:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_tf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ed71aff-ce2f-44fd-8d7e-966e47175ee2_1020x720.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_tf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ed71aff-ce2f-44fd-8d7e-966e47175ee2_1020x720.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_tf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ed71aff-ce2f-44fd-8d7e-966e47175ee2_1020x720.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_tf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ed71aff-ce2f-44fd-8d7e-966e47175ee2_1020x720.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_tf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ed71aff-ce2f-44fd-8d7e-966e47175ee2_1020x720.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!j_tf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2ed71aff-ce2f-44fd-8d7e-966e47175ee2_1020x720.jpeg" width="662" height="467.29411764705884" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tax-revenues-as-a-share-of-gdp-unu-wider?tab=line&amp;time=2000..latest&amp;country=FRA~DNK~SWE~DEU~GBR~NOR&amp;mapSelect=FRA~DNK~SWE~DEU~GBR~NOR">OWID</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Could taxes go up even more? It&#8217;ll be difficult. In 2019, <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-11-14/france-s-wealth-tax-should-be-a-warning-for-warren-and-sanders">I wrote about the underwhelming results</a> of France&#8217;s previous experiments:</p><blockquote><p>The wealth tax might have generated social solidarity, but as a practical matter it was a disappointment. The revenue it raised was rather paltry; only a few billion euros at its peak, or about 1% of France&#8217;s total revenue from all taxes. At least 10,000 wealthy <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-tax/macron-fights-president-of-the-rich-tag-after-ending-wealth-tax-idUSKCN1C82CZ">people left</a> the country to avoid paying the tax; most moved to neighboring Belgium, which has a large French-speaking population. When these individuals left, France lost not only their wealth tax revenue but their income taxes and other taxes as well. French economist Eric Pichet <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228281017_The_Economic_Consequences_of_the_French_Wealth_Tax">estimates</a> that this ended up costing the French government almost twice as much revenue as the total yielded by the wealth tax&#8230;</p><p>Another French experiment was the so-called <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-supertax/france-waves-discreet-goodbye-to-75-percent-super-tax-idUSKBN0K11CC20141223">supertax</a>, a 75% levy on incomes of more than 1 million euros. Introduced by socialist President Fran&#231;ois Hollande in 2012, the supertax added to the exodus of wealthy individuals, most notably actor Gerard Depardieu and Bernard Arnault, chairman of LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton. Star soccer players threatened to go on strike, and there was fear that France would become a wasteland for entrepreneurs. Meanwhile, the supertax raised much less money than even the wealth tax had -- only 160 million euros in 2014. The unpopular tax was repealed two years after its adoption.</p></blockquote><p>France is in a difficult position here. Its membership in the EU, and its location near to other French-speaking countries like Belgium, Switzerland, and Luxembourg, make it trivially easy for rich French people to pick up and move to other countries if they see their fortunes under threat of confiscation. </p><p>France <em>could</em>, of course, try taxing the middle class to pay for expanded social spending, perhaps by an increase in the VAT. But this burden would fall on many of the same people who are now protesting and rioting in the streets, so it&#8217;s probably a political nonstarter as well. </p><p>In fact, the current riots are making the strains in France&#8217;s bond market worse, by making the politics of austerity seem more intractable. Various groups of protesters and rioters are demanding enormous amounts of additional government largesse &#8212; <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c6vg98lw017po">billions of euros</a> of increased spending on schools, <a href="https://laboursolidarity.org/en/n/4137/17-october-will-see-a-mass-outpouring-of-popular-support-lets-organise-for-victory">increases in pensions</a>, increases in social benefits, and even subsidies for consumer goods like fuel. That demonstrates that there&#8217;s still enormous grassroots political pressure for higher government spending; even if France&#8217;s leadership doesn&#8217;t cave in to this pressure, leaders will probably be averse to making the deep cuts to spending required to put France on a sustainable fiscal path. </p><p>And that, in turn, is probably making it <em>harder </em>to enact any of the spending that the protesters are demanding. When protesters demand increased spending, bond markets respond by charging higher rates on French government borrowing. That increases interest costs for the government, which makes it harder to raise social spending &#8212; the exact opposite of what the protesters wanted.</p><p>Fundamentally, the French riots show the limits of the European left-liberal welfarism that has been the region&#8217;s default approach to governance for the last half-century &#8212; and which American progressives want to emulate. The French populace &#8212; or at least a powerful chunk of it &#8212; simply doesn&#8217;t seem to be able to recognize the difference between a <em>sustainable </em>welfare state and an <em>unsustainable </em>one. Instead, social benefits seem to be a one-way ratchet &#8212; higher benefits raise expectations for even higher benefits, until even the most milquetoast and inadequate of austerity measures end up causing cities to burn. </p><p>That one-way ratchet also calls into question the viability of Keynesian fiscal stimulus &#8212; the main tool that left-liberals (including me) prefer to combat deep recessions. <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-nobel-for-new-keynesian-macro-at">Few serious macroeconomists now question</a> that stimulus is effective in raising aggregate demand in a severe downturn. But Keynesian policy requires that fiscal largesse during a bust be matched by fiscal austerity during a boom, so that deficits don&#8217;t grow unsustainably. The problem is that while &#8220;austerity during the boom&#8221; is easy to say, it&#8217;s politically very hard to enact.</p><p>Hanno Lustig, reading Krugman&#8217;s post about the unsustainability of France&#8217;s borrowing, recalls the years of the Euro crisis, in which Krugman urged France to spend, spend, spend to fight the recession:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/HannoLustig/status/2108946559723327715&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;May come as a bit of a surprise to those of us who were following Paul's writings in the 2010s when he was railing against Eurozone \&quot;austerity craziness\&quot;. \n\nWith interest rates at the zero lower bound, he argued that fiscal consolidation in a depressed economy was self-defeating:&#8230;&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;HannoLustig&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Hanno Lustig&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1925325196782972928/wMmAORCM_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-10T15:43:36.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HUR6vtMW8AENF9W.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/THdcUhSfHt&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman warned that France&#8217;s deteriorating public finances are on an &#8220;unsustainble path&#8221; and at risk of unleashing a debt crisis across the euro area https://t.co/M4BodYe5k6&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;business&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Bloomberg&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1631723279676317709/-fjgaR2p_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[]},&quot;reply_count&quot;:35,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:135,&quot;like_count&quot;:685,&quot;impression_count&quot;:100573,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Lustig is being a little unfair to Krugman here. In fact, here&#8217;s what Krugman <a href="https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/franc-thoughts-on-long-run-fiscal-issues/">actually wrote in 2011</a>, in the first post that Lustig cites:</p><blockquote><p>[W]e won&#8217;t always be in a liquidity trap. Someday private demand will be high enough that the Fed will have good reason to raise interest rates above zero, to limit inflation. And when that happens, deficits &#8212; and the perceived willingness of the government to raise enough revenue to cover its spending &#8212; will matter&#8230;At a future date, when we&#8217;re out of the liquidity trap, public finances will matter&#8230;[T]he biggest source of our long-run deficit isn&#8217;t the overhang of debt, it&#8217;s the prospective current cost of paying for retirement, health care, and defense. So such a crisis &#8212; again, it&#8217;s very much hypothetical &#8212; could spiral into something very nasty, with very high inflation and, yes, hyperinflation.</p></blockquote><p>Krugman was actually talking about the U.S., but he might as well have been talking about France. Keynesians don&#8217;t just say &#8220;more government spending is good&#8221; &#8212; they recognize that there are limits, so they urge governments to cut spending during good economic times.</p><p>But Lustig has a point, nonetheless. The Keynesian prescription &#8212; deficits during the bust, austerity during the boom &#8212; requires that whoever is in power during the boom take the political hit for doing the austerity. In practice, you can <em>sometimes </em>find politicians willing to spend their political capital on taking that hit, but it&#8217;s tough. Even Macron caved in the end. </p><p>When we look at actual French borrowing and spending during the Euro crisis of the early 2010s, it&#8217;s clear that neither the austerity <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/opinion/paul-krugman-the-fall-of-france.html">Krugman feared</a> nor the stimulus he desired was actually happening. Look at the charts above, and you&#8217;ll see that government spending didn&#8217;t rise<em> or</em> dip during the 2010s &#8212; it just sailed on, unperturbed, as if the recession didn&#8217;t even exist. The same was true of French government debt:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eea-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39acef0e-c0d5-48c7-bc05-e58d7d138889_1020x730.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eea-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39acef0e-c0d5-48c7-bc05-e58d7d138889_1020x730.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Eea-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F39acef0e-c0d5-48c7-bc05-e58d7d138889_1020x730.jpeg 848w, 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gross-public-sector-debt-as-a-proportion-of-gdp?tab=line&amp;country=FRA~DEU&amp;mapSelect=~FRA">OWID</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Germany actually did do austerity during the bust. France did not. In fact, they didn&#8217;t do anything &#8212; they just kept borrowing and spending. </p><p>That points to a political-economic problem for Keynesian liberalism. It suggests &#8212; as <a href="https://about.libertyfund.org/books/democracy-in-deficit/">James Buchanan foresaw</a> &#8212; that spending is often less likely to be determined by the wise judgement of technocrats, and more likely to be determined by angry ignorant people burning down government buildings. </p><p>Finally, France&#8217;s riots show the limits of one more pillar of modern left-liberalism &#8212; tolerance toward mass immigration. </p><p>It&#8217;s not obvious that African or Middle Eastern immigrants are disproportionately behind these riots. Viral videos of rioters and looters &#8212; including <a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-xRQIeCnQxE">the famous video</a> of the French video game store owner trying to defend his shop against young hoodlums &#8212; show a racially mixed crowd of rioters with plenty of white representation. Some past waves of riots have been driven by immigrants and their children &#8212; for example, the anti-police riots of 2023. But others, like the much longer-running Yellow Vest riots of the late 2010s, were mostly white. </p><p>Still, France&#8217;s public appears more and more inclined to blame &#8220;migrants&#8221; for the chaos in their streets. When the disorder began, the political fortunes of the anti-immigration right-wing candidate Marine Le Pen soared:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9eKU!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc298bd-d15d-4de0-b842-4d7a37f6cf22_1197x494.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9eKU!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc298bd-d15d-4de0-b842-4d7a37f6cf22_1197x494.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!9eKU!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc298bd-d15d-4de0-b842-4d7a37f6cf22_1197x494.jpeg 848w, 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://polymarket.com/event/next-french-presidential-election">Polymarket</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>In contrast, the chances of the only major left-wing candidate, Jean-Luc Melenchon, didn&#8217;t budge. Melenchon is promising lavish increases in social spending, but the public is disinterested; instead, <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/liberalism-needs-a-new-philosophy">as in Germany with AfD</a>, and indeed <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/20/world/europe/france-protests-europe-centrist-far-right.html">all over Europe</a>, the people are gravitating toward whoever promises to stop immigration. </p><p>America is not France, of course. Our immigrant mix is very different, and our ability to assimilate large numbers of immigrants is much greater. Our attitudes toward immigration have <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/712289/americans-support-immigration-down-strong.aspx">turned positive again</a>, at least partly as a reaction against Trump&#8217;s brutality. But France shows that the left-liberal approach to immigration simply doesn&#8217;t work equally well for all countries. </p><p>So France&#8217;s riots aren&#8217;t just one more case of French people going wild in the streets. They demonstrate the limits of European-style left-liberalism &#8212; the lavish welfare state, the tolerant attitude toward mass immigration, and the trust in Keynesian demand management. 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Oct 2026 08:45:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F2Iq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc32d26e4-3148-4652-b05f-70ec4b28985e_810x705.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F2Iq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc32d26e4-3148-4652-b05f-70ec4b28985e_810x705.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F2Iq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc32d26e4-3148-4652-b05f-70ec4b28985e_810x705.jpeg 424w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em><strong>WARNING: This post contains spoilers for the movie You Can See Everything.</strong></em></p><p>A few days ago, I had the great pleasure of seeing Nathan Fielder&#8217;s new film, <em>You Can See Everything</em>. I&#8217;ve been a fan of Fielder&#8217;s work for a long time, so I basically knew what to expect, but it was still incredible &#8212; every bit as good as you&#8217;ve heard. Go see it if you haven&#8217;t.</p><p>The film is a documentary about the notorious fraudster Elizabeth Holmes (of Theranos fame) and her partner Billy Evans. But it&#8217;s also sort of a horror movie about liars. That was interesting enough that it made me want to write a post about the movie &#8212; about the nature of lying, and of belief, and of human communication in general. </p><p>If you read even a little bit about the history of Theranos, there is absolutely no question that Elizabeth Holmes is a deliberate fraudster and a prolific, aggressive liar. Holmes <a href="https://x.com/AlecStapp/status/2112298800333414491">presented potential investors with fake financial results</a> in 2015. She <a href="https://abcnews.com/US/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-owns-key-allegations-testimony/story?id=81368572">personally added fake logos</a> of pharmaceutical companies to Theranos&#8217; own reports. She <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-attempts-to-clear-up-the-bad-blood-with-wsj/">flatly stated that Theranos didn&#8217;t dilute blood samples</a>, then admitted in court that she intentionally concealed the fact that they did dilute blood samples. Theranos employees <a href="https://x.com/AlecStapp/status/2111916665160278366">detailed the whole deliberate fraud</a> in anonymous online posts years before the story broke.</p><p>But <em>You Can See Everything</em> doesn&#8217;t cover much of this actual history. Fielder doesn&#8217;t bother to indict Holmes and prove that she committed fraud &#8212; the court case already did that. Instead, he offers a window into the psychology of someone who could commit such an epic fraud. Holmes and Evans allow Fielder into their home with the goal of proving that they&#8217;re just regular, good people trying to improve the world. Instead, Fielder depicts the couple &#8212; quite accurately &#8212; as monsters of deception and manipulation. </p><p>It&#8217;s doubtful that any other filmmaker could have done nearly as good a job of this. The blurry line between what&#8217;s real and what&#8217;s fake has always been a major theme of Nathan Fielder&#8217;s work &#8212; he loves hiring actors to simulate past and future interactions, constructing facsimiles of whole buildings, and so on. And of course he&#8217;s very skilled with the tricks of the visual storyteller&#8217;s trade, using deliberate cuts, camera angles, and creative edits to make the audience think and feel what he wants them to.</p><p>Whereas many filmmakers would have regarded Holmes as a subject to be studied, Fielder seems to see her as an opponent to be challenged and beaten. If he can shoot what Holmes wants him to shoot, but ultimately seize control of the narrative, then he&#8217;s the more powerful storyteller. This, I think, is why he doesn&#8217;t bring in outside evidence to show what a well-documented liar Holmes is. That would be cheating. Instead, he has to venture into the monster&#8217;s lair alone, and defeat her in single combat. He has to film the movie that <em>she asks him to film</em>, and let her show him only what <em>she wants him to see</em>, and still have audiences walk away having seen the story that <em>he wants to tell</em>. </p><p>And of course he succeeds, because he&#8217;s very good, but also because he gets to edit the film, and editing is more powerful than acting. Score one for the good guys.</p><p><em>(Major spoilers begin here.)</em></p><p>How does Fielder win the contest? Over the course of <em>You Can See Everything</em>, he captures Elizabeth Holmes saying a number of strange and extraordinary things:</p><ol><li><p>Near the beginning, Holmes tells Fielder that she&#8217;s never lied in her life. After he presses her, she half-admits that she may have told small white lies out of convenience. But the audience gets to watch her repeatedly assert something obviously, fantastically false, always with the same sincere, relaxed, wide-eyed expression on her face.</p></li><li><p>Later on, Fielder shows Holmes the famous &#8220;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlllabwmWcc">Who&#8217;s on first?</a>&#8221; comedy routine, which she claims never to have seen. After watching it, Holmes claims not to have realized that the baseball player&#8217;s name is &#8220;Who&#8221; &#8212; thus missing the entire point of the sketch. </p></li><li><p>Fielder recruits Amanda Seyfried, who played Holmes in the miniseries <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dropout">The Dropout</a></em>, to help him figure out what&#8217;s going on with Holmes and her partner. At one point, Holmes is calling on the phone from prison. Seyfried asks Holmes if she knew Seyfried would be on the call, and Holmes says &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure if I knew.&#8221;</p></li></ol><p>It&#8217;s moments like these, more than any simple lie, that reveal Holmes&#8217; true character. In fact, Fielder seems like he passes up several chances to catch Holmes in a straight-up lie on camera. After all, what would one lie, or even three lies, really prove? Everyone lies sometimes, and capturing a couple of those instances during weeks of living with Holmes wouldn&#8217;t be hard. It would be a cheap trick, and it wouldn&#8217;t really prove that Holmes is a liar in general. </p><p>Instead, the moments Fielder captures demonstrate something deeper and far more unnerving about Holmes&#8217; relationship to the truth. Holmes is a very special and powerful kind of liar &#8212; someone for whom deception and manipulation are as automatic and as continuous as breathing. </p><h4>Type 1 liars and Type 2 liars</h4>
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But although <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/">he has a Substack</a> (which you should definitely follow), he doesn&#8217;t write nearly enough. So I&#8217;ve been encouraging him to write more by cross-posting his posts on my blog.</em></p><p><em>Somewhat to my surprise, Ramez has turned out to be a lot more of an AI skeptic than I would have though. He&#8217;s certainly not dismissive of the technology, but he disagrees with many of the more expansive and dramatic claims coming out of the big labs (especially Anthropic). In his first post in this series, he expressed skepticism that recursive self-improvement (RSI) would lead to a fast takeoff of AI capabilities in the near future:</em></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;3d88eab1-f0ae-415b-b529-1cb16c8373d4&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;One of my fundamental beliefs about the world is that Ramez Naam ought to blog more. Ramez is one of the world&#8217;s greatest futurists &#8212; he predicted the solar and battery revolutions long before these were widely understood. If you were reading Ramez in 2011, you were able to understand the future of both energy technology and climate change, &#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Where&#8217;s the &#8220;intelligence explosion&#8221;?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:1515370,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Ramez Naam&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;AI, climate tech, and deeptech investor. Speaker on AI, energy, and disruptive technologies. 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Agent swarms have been in the news a lot, both because of the <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/openai-report-says-network-was-hacked-rogue-ai-agents-rcna594590">Hugging Face attack</a>, and OpenAI&#8217;s solution of the famous Navier-Stokes problem is also <a href="https://venturebeat.com/technology/openai-solves-longstanding-math-problem-with-10-000-agent-swarm-but-cant-rule-out-benefitting-from-a-researchers-private-codex-data">widely attributed</a> to a large swarm. But Ramez argues that parallelization is just another kind of input that suffers from diminishing returns, and that we should therefore temper our expectations about what agents swarms are able to achieve.</em></p><p><em>As was the case with his previous post, I&#8217;m not sure how much this matters, when the capabilities of the underlying models &#8212; swarm or no swarm &#8212; are still improving at such a steady and impressive rate. But it&#8217;s a very intellectually interesting argument, and Ramez can be very persuasive. </em></p><div><hr></div><p>In my <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/wheres-the-intelligence-explosion">previous post</a>, we asked whether AIs could improve themselves all the way to absurdly high levels of superintelligence. My conclusion: today&#8217;s feedback loop is probably too weak, because improving AI faces diminishing returns at every step. <strong>Even fully autonomous AIs doing all the research and coding don&#8217;t make those diminishing returns disappear.</strong> We should keep updating that conclusion as real-world parameters and data change.</p><p>But we didn&#8217;t look closely at another possibility: running millions or billions of AI minds in parallel. How much do they help? That&#8217;s what we&#8217;ll look at here.</p><h2><strong>TL;DR</strong></h2><p>Plenty of people have modeled how more AI agents working in parallel could fuel recursive self-improvement. But the data we have today tell a different story. More agents are useful for <strong>speed</strong>: they can solve many problems faster. They&#8217;re less useful for boosting AI <strong>intelligence</strong>. Multi-agent gains in solving harder problems often diminish incredibly quickly and may even saturate. Whether multi-agent systems can produce the conceptual breakthroughs RSI might require to become self-sustaining is the harder question.</p><p>Without breakthroughs in how well agents parallelize problems - something that may depend on the structure of machine learning problems themselves - it&#8217;s hard to see even millions or billions of copies of today&#8217;s models making repeated breakthroughs on the hardest problems. These are among the strongest diminishing returns we&#8217;ve looked at. Of course, these diminishing returns may change. And we have less experimental data to go off of today than we&#8217;d like. We&#8217;ll need to recalibrate as new evidence comes in. I&#8217;ll end with <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7how-to-measure-agentic-scaling-improvements">the things we should track</a> and my predictions about <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7the-anthropic-test-and-what-would-change-my-mind">a natural experiment from newly released Anthropic data</a>.</p><p>Below is the two-image summary: The experimental observations of how large numbers of agents scale to solve harder problems (what I&#8217;m referring to as intelligence) are far far lower than the assumptions in studies that predict that AI recursive self-improvement will lead to an intelligence explosion. The first image is at the scale of 100 parallel AI agents. 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Real world experiments show dramatically lower intelligence gains from parallel agents than hypothetical AI models.</em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cM4j!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33545aad-2e69-4c3c-8193-eafb0837275c_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Extrapolated out to a billion agents, the intelligence gain in hypothetical models is orders of magnitude beyond real world experiment gain curves.</em></p><h3><strong>What we&#8217;ve already covered regarding RSI and diminishing returns</strong></h3><p>To recap <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence">the last post</a>: recursive self-improvement (RSI) means AI improvements feeding back into the next round of AI research. Four findings stood out:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A73-real-ai-research-is-harder-than-benchmarks-or-forecasts">Real AI research is harder than benchmark scores suggest.</a> OpenAI&#8217;s models needed human help on much shorter research tasks than the coding benchmarks led us to expect.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A74-the-sharp-diminishing-returns-to-impressive-ai-numbers">More AI activity produces much smaller gains in useful work.</a> OpenAI used 124 times as many tokens per researcher but ran only 1.6 times as many experiments per researcher.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A7keeping-up-the-pace-takes-exponentially-more-resources">Maintaining progress requires ever more resources.</a> Training and thinking time face steep diminishing returns. Anthropic reports that more powerful AI has been key to <em>maintaining</em> <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A7better-ai-may-be-needed-just-to-maintain-the-pace">the current pace of AI progress</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A78-the-self-improvement-loop-doesnt-look-strong-enough">The measured software feedback loop doesn&#8217;t yet look self-sustaining.</a> Our tentative calibration put it roughly five to ten times below the strength needed.</p></li></ul><h3><strong>RSI doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean runaway superintelligence</strong></h3><p>I want to reiterate a distinction here: fully automated AI self-improvement doesn&#8217;t at all guarantee an intelligence explosion. Diminishing returns in AI capabilities dampen that feedback loop. Parallel agents can help automate a search across AI parameters, but don&#8217;t look nearly as useful in making new conceptual breakthroughs. My expectation is that we&#8217;ll need those sorts of breakthroughs for self-improvement to become self-sustaining, let alone to accelerate rapidly and reach truly profound levels of superintelligence.</p><h3><strong>Even a billion parallel AIs also face diminishing returns</strong></h3><p><strong>Today</strong>, let&#8217;s examine in much more detail what it would mean to run thousands, millions, or billions of AI researchers in parallel.</p><p>In this post I&#8217;m focusing only on software: AI researchers improving the algorithms that make AI better or cheaper to run. Hardware, investment, and economic growth have their own feedback loops, which we <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A7software-hardware-and-economic-feedback">discussed briefly in the last post</a>. Here, we&#8217;re asking how much more the AI minds themselves can discover.</p><p><strong>Here&#8217;s the argument, with links:</strong></p><ul><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7a-country-of-geniuses-in-a-datacenter">The country of geniuses and the assumptions about adding agents</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7not-all-diminishing-returns-are-alike">The different shapes of diminishing returns</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7agents-can-buy-you-speed-at-a-higher-cost">Where more agents buy speed, and what that speed costs</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7intelligence-gains-face-much-harder-diminishing-returns-than-speed">Intelligence gains are much harder than speed gains</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7the-best-examples-of-multi-agents-improving-collective-intelligence">The best examples of improving collective intelligence</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7what-does-this-mean-for-runaway-rsi">What the evidence means for runaway RSI</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7will-agents-get-better-at-scaling">Whether scaling is improving</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7how-to-measure-agentic-scaling-improvements">What we should measure</a>.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/1e91d7f5-eb85-40cc-b4d6-ef89b6fd327a#%C2%A7the-anthropic-test-and-what-would-change-my-mind">The Anthropic test and what would change my mind</a>.</p></li></ul><h3><strong>A country of geniuses in a datacenter</strong></h3><p>In <a href="https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace">Machines of Loving Grace</a>, Dario Amodei imagines a:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;country of geniuses in a datacenter&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>Millions of AI minds, each more capable than a Nobel Prize winner across many fields, working at much higher speed. That would be extraordinary. The intelligence of each mind is a crucial part of the premise.</p><p>Tom Davidson and Daniel Eth&#8217;s <a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/will-ai-r-and-d-automation-cause-a-software-intelligence-explosion">Forethought paper</a> describes the equivalent of &#8220;millions of top-notch human researchers.&#8221; <a href="https://benjamintodd.substack.com/p/how-ai-driven-feedback-loops-could">Benjamin Todd&#8217;s explainer</a> points to &#8220;millions of competent engineers working on AI research.&#8221; <a href="https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/ai-firm">Dwarkesh Patel</a> emphasizes AI&#8217;s &#8220;massive population size and perfect knowledge transfer.&#8221;</p><p>How does the number of AI agents running in parallel enter these arguments? In Eth and Davidson&#8217;s illustrative model, twice as many researchers produce twice as many papers. Cheaper AI lets the same hardware run more researchers, while each software improvement gets harder to find. <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.36054">Alan Chan and colleagues&#8217; 2026 paper</a>, including AI pioneers Geoffrey Hinton and Yoshua Bengio, assumes an even larger effect from adding researchers: <strong>doubling effective research labor increases the rate of software improvement by about 2.6 times</strong>, holding the software level fixed.</p><p>Those are assumptions about what more researchers produce. The growing number of AI researchers must keep finding improvements fast enough to outweigh the increasing difficulty of further progress. We&#8217;ll come back to those assumptions after looking at what larger AI teams actually achieve.</p><p>Meanwhile, we had OpenAI&#8217;s <a href="https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/">Navier&#8211;Stokes announcement</a>: around 10,000 agents working concurrently during an 88-hour run solved a mathematics Millenium Problem. It made the idea vivid. A datacenter full of AI mathematicians, tackling a famously hard problem.</p><p>I understand the excitement. But the number of agents tells us how many AI researchers we ran. We also need to measure what those additional researchers contributed.</p><h3><strong>Not all diminishing returns are alike</strong></h3><p>On <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv__Fc0quDw">MTS Live</a>, I described a ladder of increasingly hard scaling:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Super-linear:</strong> Twice the input produces more than twice the output. Accelerating returns.</p></li><li><p><strong>Linear:</strong> Twice the input produces twice the output. Independent jobs can look like this. A power-law exponent of 1 is the same case.</p></li><li><p><strong>Power-law diminishing returns:</strong> Output grows as input raised to a power below 1. At exponent 0.5, doubling output takes four times the input. At 0.2, it takes 32 times. At 0.1, it takes 1,024 times.</p></li><li><p><strong>Logarithmic:</strong> Each multiplication of input buys the same additional gain. Another five points might require another tenfold increase in compute.</p></li><li><p><strong>Sub-logarithmic:</strong> Even successive tenfold increases buy smaller gains. Those gains can keep shrinking, or saturate at a ceiling. 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Not all diminishing returns are alike. Some are much harder than others.</em></p><p>The classic <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.08361">pre-training scaling laws</a> describe power-law reductions in prediction loss. Many test-time score curves look roughly logarithmic over the measured range. Some multi-agent results flatten much more sharply.</p><p>Let&#8217;s illustrate this with numbers. In the figure below, every curve earns the same gain from the first doubling of input. The later differences then become visible. The hardest curves share a vertical scale, and each panel states its endpoint.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:755599,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;The same early gain can lead to very different later gains.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The same early gain can lead to very different later gains.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="The same early gain can lead to very different later gains." title="The same early gain can lead to very different later gains." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!nP-N!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6bd96064-a1ef-4c2b-991f-1f1569cb1329_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Different diminishing returns scaling patterns lead to very different long term results.</em></p><p>For runaway RSI, improvements have to make subsequent improvements arrive faster and faster. Logarithmic returns to the number of AI researchers are too weak to sustain that loop if every further doubling of software efficiency requires a fixed percentage more research. Sub-logarithmic scaling or a plateau are weaker still. The experiments I&#8217;ll summarize in the rest of this post aren&#8217;t perfect, and I wish we had more data. But the clearest larger-team evidence we have today points to logarithmic or sub-logarithmic intelligence gains. Those look too weak to make RSI self-sustaining, let alone runaway, under the assumptions we&#8217;re examining.</p><h3><strong>What limits multiagent scaling</strong></h3><p>There are at least three reasons a larger team might be limited in its ability to produce better answers, and probably more. Let&#8217;s start with these:</p><p><strong>First, coordination skills.</strong> Can the agents divide the problem, manage the work, check each other, and combine their results? Can they communicate what matters without spending all their time communicating? A team needs good project management as well as good individual contributors.</p><p><strong>Second, homogeneity of thought.</strong> Are the agents contributing useful new ideas, or repeating the same approaches and mistakes? A hundred copies can share the same blind spots. More varied answers help only if some of that variety is right.</p><p><strong>Third, the structure of the problem.</strong> How much can happen in parallel, and how much has to wait for earlier results? A million independent searches can run at once. A sequential investigation can&#8217;t. Even figuring out how to divide a conceptual problem may require an insight the team hasn&#8217;t found.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:614595,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Three places where a bigger team can run into limits.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Three places where a bigger team can run into limits.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Three places where a bigger team can run into limits." title="Three places where a bigger team can run into limits." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CfF7!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d3e4881-2318-427a-8ede-f3a3e00a4dcc_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" 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buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Three places where more agents can run into limits.</em></p><p>These limits interact. A better model can supply an idea its copies previously lacked, find a better division of labor, or recognize a solution the team had been overlooking. A difficult task may become easier to parallelize once somebody discovers the right approach. That&#8217;s why the shape of the curve matters, and why it can change.</p><p>Before we go further, let&#8217;s separate two things: <strong>speed</strong>, or how quickly agents solve a problem, and <strong>collective intelligence</strong>, or whether they can solve a harder problem and reach a new level of skill. We&#8217;ll use verified benchmark scores as evidence of that intelligence. They aren&#8217;t a universal IQ scale.</p><p>So far, adding agents seems much more effective at speeding up execution than at raising the level of problem a team can solve.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:565078,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;So far, more agents buy much more speed than extra capability.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;So far, more agents buy much more speed than extra capability.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="So far, more agents buy much more speed than extra capability." title="So far, more agents buy much more speed than extra capability." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hELz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d561cc1-806f-4a38-aac0-90f67d344840_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>So far, using more agents buys us much more speed than extra capability.</em></p><h3><strong>Agents can buy you </strong><em><strong>speed</strong></em><strong> at a higher </strong><em><strong>cost</strong></em></h3><p>Let&#8217;s start with the best case. A million independent jobs. A million candidates to test. A million places to search. Each agent gets useful work it can do without waiting for the others, and a reliable way to check whether it succeeded.</p><p>That can scale extremely well. Ten workers may finish ten jobs in the time one worker finishes one. A huge search may find a rare solution that a smaller search misses entirely.</p><p>One concerning use of parallel agents is offensive cybersecurity. <a href="https://scaling01.substack.com/p/accidental-scaling">Lisan al-Ghaib</a> emphasizes this possibility. I disagree with his broader argument about swarm intelligence, but many attacks running in parallel could be extremely powerful. A swarm may not need a conceptual breakthrough to search many targets or try many possible vulnerabilities at once.</p><p>That said, penetrating the most secure targets, such as operating systems and browsers, can require long attack chains. Each step depends on earlier discoveries to get through another layer of defenses. Here again, we might find diminishing returns or eventual saturation, even with respect to speed. Indeed, one of the experiments below suggests that.</p><h3><strong>The speed-cost tradeoff</strong></h3><p><a href="https://www.tobyord.com/writing/swarm-scaling">Toby Ord analyzed</a> how well GPT-5.6 Sol increases the speed of solving problems on different benchmarks, and at what cost. This gives us a useful way to measure the tradeoff. In general, using more agents can help get tasks done more quickly, but at higher total cost than if you&#8217;d used fewer agents.</p><p>On top of that, the tradeoff varies by the type of task. On command-line tasks (Terminal-Bench), Ord&#8217;s analysis finds that four agents can reach the same result about <strong>1.9 times faster</strong>, at about 2.1 times the token cost. On web research (BrowseComp), four agents can reach the same result about <strong>2.6 times faster</strong>, at about 1.6 times the cost. I&#8217;m using the figure below to show how different tasks differ in that speed vs cost tradeoff.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:766887,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;More speed costs more, and the tradeoff varies by task. Based on Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;More speed costs more, and the tradeoff varies by task. Based on Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="More speed costs more, and the tradeoff varies by task. Based on Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis." title="More speed costs more, and the tradeoff varies by task. Based on Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cEF3!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0ffd4dfc-6019-4ac7-b5a5-6cbec8a2de78_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>More speed costs more, and the tradeoff varies by task. Based on Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis. <a href="https://www.tobyord.com/writing/swarm-scaling">Source.</a></em></p><p>Why the difference? Web research can often split into independent searches. A command-line task may have to change a shared environment in sequence. Some problems are simply easier to divide among agents than others.</p><p>Ord uses <strong>lambda, &#955;</strong>, for how speed scales with the number of agents. We&#8217;ll come back to it. At &#955; = 0.5, speed and total compute cost rise by the same factor. A higher &#955; means speed rises faster than cost.</p><h3><strong>Opus 5.5 gets more speed out of parallel agents than older models</strong></h3><p>Inspired by Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis, I applied the same approach to <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5-system-card#page=190">Anthropic&#8217;s published results</a> on program reconstruction, or ProgramBench. Here again, more speed comes with more cost. But we also see that models within the Claude family are getting better at the speed-cost tradeoff. <strong>The newest model, Opus 5.5, gets more speedup for a smaller cost increase than Opus 5 or Fable 5.1.</strong></p><p>With five agents, Opus 5.5 gets about 2.7 times its solo speed, compared with 2.2 times for Opus 5, and does so at lower cost. [Note: We&#8217;re using total agent runtime as a proxy for cost. Token usage and dollar costs could differ.]</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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increase in agent-time." title="Opus 5.5 gets more speedup for a smaller increase in agent-time." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!HUix!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0ac84d0-beaa-40df-b464-c2861ed80e96_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 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we add more agents</strong></h3><p>Will these speed-versus-cost gains hold up at hundreds, thousands, or millions of agents? Probably not completely, and certainly not for all tasks.</p><p>Some problems are easy to split ten ways, harder to split a hundred ways, and harder still to split among ten thousand agents. More of the work may have to wait for earlier results, and coordinating all those pieces takes work too. Smarter models can get better at this. But my best guess is that, on many problems, each further expansion will buy less speed for the added cost.</p><p>Anthropic&#8217;s formal math proof benchmark gives us one example.</p><p>On the Lean formal math task, we can compare how quickly teams reach the same score. Using Anthropic&#8217;s <a href="https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/fc1b44717c85dc068bc6ba5024219938094694bd/Claude%20Opus%205.5%20System%20Card.pdf#page=197">published checkpoints</a>, we estimate the speed and cost of reaching 0.50. The chart starts with ten agents as the baseline.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:678667,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;The next expansion buys less speed for more cost.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The next expansion buys less speed for more cost.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="The next expansion buys less speed for more cost." title="The next expansion buys less speed for more cost." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Wzss!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b141262-fd4a-4187-bf38-282e24342e6c_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>On a math proof benchmark, the speed advantage of adding additional agents starts to taper with scale. <a href="https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/fc1b44717c85dc068bc6ba5024219938094694bd/Claude%20Opus%205.5%20System%20Card.pdf">Source.</a></em></p><p><strong>From ten to thirty agents, speed improves faster than cost. From thirty to a hundred, cost rises faster than speed.</strong> The local speed exponent, &#955;, falls from about <strong>0.75 to 0.33</strong>. The extra agents still save time, but the tradeoff gets worse.</p><p>This suggests that even speed gains can taper as we split the work among more agents, let alone gains in intelligence. More agents may add less and less as we approach the limits of how easily a problem divides into subproblems. Better coordination may push those limits outward; the task itself may still impose them.</p><h3><strong>Intelligence gains face much harder diminishing returns than speed</strong></h3><p>So in <strong>speed</strong>, more agents can buy us time at some additional cost. Newer models are improving, but there are probably limits. <strong>What about intelligence?</strong></p><p>Most arguments for superintelligence go beyond running huge numbers of today&#8217;s agents. They posit individual models becoming vastly smarter. There&#8217;s a chicken-and-egg problem here. Getting there may require conceptual breakthroughs in machine learning itself, perhaps as profound as the ideas that made modern machine learning possible, or at least as important as the Transformer and reasoning models. Parallel search may not be enough to find them. <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A7ai-still-struggles-with-big-research-ideas">Anthropic has identified ambitious research ideas as an area where current models lag behind humans</a>.</p><p>In the <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A78-the-self-improvement-loop-doesnt-look-strong-enough">previous post</a>, I argued that today&#8217;s measured gains from smarter models are roughly five to ten times too weak to produce a self-sustaining feedback loop. But what about running enormous numbers of our best models in parallel? Can a massive team of frontier agents that aren&#8217;t yet superintelligent invent a new architecture, a new learning method, or the idea needed to build a much smarter successor? That&#8217;s the heart of the question.</p><p>For runaway RSI, those discoveries have to overcome the diminishing returns we discussed in the last post. Here are three places they appear.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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loop has to change." title="The diminishing returns a runaway research loop has to change." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_mNs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37ccd30c-b382-45be-ad11-acd5e53978aa_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>The diminishing returns a runaway research loop has to change or overcome.</em></p><p>The pre-training example comes from the <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.15556">Chinchilla scaling fit</a>. The reinforcement-learning example comes from <a href="https://arxiv.org/html/2510.13786v1">ScaleRL</a>. The inference row describes the <a href="https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/">test-time math curves</a> we discussed previously. The goal is better returns to data and compute, and gains that continue longer before flattening.</p><p>My expectation is that we&#8217;ll get easy AI improvements through work we can automate, parallelize, and search. But to get very large benefits, and runaway RSI, I expect we&#8217;ll need conceptual breakthroughs. That&#8217;s why the intelligence of each model matters so much.</p><p>Bear in mind that we&#8217;ve observed these sorts of diminishing returns in machine learning for more than thirty years. <a href="https://papers.neurips.cc/paper_files/paper/1993/file/1aa48fc4880bb0c9b8a3bf979d3b917e-Paper.pdf">Power-law learning curves were measured in 1993</a>. They appear to be a fundamental feature of machine learning as we know it. We shouldn&#8217;t assume they&#8217;ll be trivially changed, or that we&#8217;ll suddenly find a way to improve AI without diminishing returns. That would be a revolution. Discovering such a route might itself require far smarter minds, and we don&#8217;t know whether the mathematics of learning would permit it across the problems we care about.</p><p>That doesn&#8217;t mean there haven&#8217;t been big improvements. The transformer and reasoning models have moved the field forward enormously. But, as we saw in <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A78-the-self-improvement-loop-doesnt-look-strong-enough">the previous post</a>, a runaway feedback loop needs enough acceleration to keep outweighing the obstacles, again and again. As ideas get harder to find, we may need a faster research pace just to maintain today&#8217;s rate of progress. Anthropic&#8217;s assessment suggests that better AI tools are becoming necessary just to <em>maintain</em> <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A7better-ai-may-be-needed-just-to-maintain-the-pace">the current pace of AI progress</a>.</p><h3><strong>Example one: GPT-5.6 cybersecurity gains shrink with more agents</strong></h3><p>OpenAI&#8217;s <a href="https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-6/">GPT-5.6 Sol results</a> provide a useful example on cybersecurity. SEC-Bench Pro tests the generation of proof-of-concept demonstrations of software vulnerabilities. This is a particular security task, not a measure of coding ability in general. The reported peak scores are approximately 71.2 with one agent, 74.3 with four, and 76.4 with sixteen.</p><p>On this cybersecurity test, sixteen times as many agents buy about 5.2 score points. The first fourfold increase adds 3.1 points; the next adds only 2.1. There&#8217;s still plenty of room below a perfect score, but the gain on this test is shrinking, even with multiplication of the number of agents. This is sub-logarithmic scaling.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b62d!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90c98f9f-aad4-4c80-b340-e35b8c3231a5_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b62d!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90c98f9f-aad4-4c80-b340-e35b8c3231a5_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!b62d!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90c98f9f-aad4-4c80-b340-e35b8c3231a5_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>On SEC-Bench Pro, each expansion buys fewer score points, showing sub-log scaling. <a href="https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-6/">Source.</a></em></p><p>These agents could coordinate through OpenAI&#8217;s ultra setup. This is already a test of collaboration, not just a stack of independent guesses. The points are the best reported results across different budgets, rather than an equal-compute comparison.</p><h3><strong>Example two: A smarter model did more for OpenAI&#8217;s math results than more agents</strong></h3><p>When OpenAI <a href="https://openai.com/index/navier-stokes-solution/">announced its Navier&#8211;Stokes result</a>, the 10,000 agents attracted enormous excitement. Interviewing Noam Brown, <a href="https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/noam-brown">Dwarkesh Patel</a> said he was &#8220;shocked by the scale of cognitive effort&#8221; concentrated into such a short run.</p><p>But how much did those extra agents contribute? Brown, an OpenAI researcher who helped develop o1 and now works on multi-agent systems, was emphatic:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t even attribute 10% of the credit to multi-agent.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>He credits the smarter underlying model. OpenAI hadn&#8217;t run the single-agent experiment needed to isolate the swarm&#8217;s contribution. Brown&#8217;s estimate is a judgment, but it directly challenges the idea that the sheer number of agents was the decisive ingredient.</p><h3><strong>Example three: Formal math proof gains diminish sharply after ten Opus 5.5 agents</strong></h3><p>Formal mathematical work seems especially analogous to the conceptual breakthroughs AI research may need. It demands a chain of valid reasoning, sometimes with a new insight that makes the whole problem tractable. Formalizing existing mathematics isn&#8217;t the same as inventing a new learning algorithm, but it&#8217;s a useful place to look.</p><p>And here we find almost no extra gain when Opus 5.5 grows from ten parallel agents to a hundred. Anthropic&#8217;s <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/claude-opus-5-5-system-card#page=195">system card</a> tests teams on 49 weighted theorem statements, checked in Lean. Each team gets 24 hours. The first tenfold expansion adds 27 score points; the next adds just two.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:689503,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;On these math proofs, most of the gain arrives by ten agents.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;On these math proofs, most of the gain arrives by ten agents.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="On these math proofs, most of the gain arrives by ten agents." title="On these math proofs, most of the gain arrives by ten agents." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x_ao!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8fbb1781-acb1-433c-a95f-781a8fc2c54d_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, 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This is steeply sub-logarithmic scaling, and possibly saturation <a href="https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/fc1b44717c85dc068bc6ba5024219938094694bd/Claude%20Opus%205.5%20System%20Card.pdf">Source.</a></em></p><p>These agents could communicate, share a machine and Git repository, and organize their work. The hundred-agent team even developed a hierarchy with twelve sub-leads. It could also use ten times as much aggregate agent runtime as the ten-agent team over the same day. That isn&#8217;t a measured tenfold increase in tokens, but it gives the larger team much more room to work.</p><p>We still didn&#8217;t get over the hump. This won&#8217;t necessarily stay true, but the diminishing returns are incredibly steep here, possibly pointing toward a plateau.</p><h3><strong>What the formal math proof slowdown suggests</strong></h3><p>Opus 5.5 starts smarter than the older models and gets more speedup from parallel agents on ProgramBench. It clearly can put additional agents to useful work. So why do intelligence gains nearly stop on these math proofs? Two possibilities stand out:</p><ul><li><p>The remaining work may be hard to parallelize. Later steps depend on understanding earlier results.</p></li><li><p>The remaining problems may need insights the model can&#8217;t find, however many copies we run. Intelligence may matter more than agent population or speed.</p></li></ul><p>We haven&#8217;t isolated the cause. But a thousand copies don&#8217;t automatically supply the insight one copy is missing.</p><h3><strong>Example four: A smarter model beats ten times the agents on math proofs</strong></h3><p>Looking at the same math results, we see something striking. Ten Opus 5.5 agents get a higher score than a hundred Fable 5.1 or Opus 5.0 agents. Opus 5.5 starts much higher than the older models. It improves substantially with ten agents, then barely improves with a hundred. But at 10 it&#8217;s already better than Fable or Opus 5&#8217;s results with a hundred agents.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_KB_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cf99ef7-0d7e-4553-97cf-6a48ceb02340_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_KB_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cf99ef7-0d7e-4553-97cf-6a48ceb02340_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_KB_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cf99ef7-0d7e-4553-97cf-6a48ceb02340_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9cf99ef7-0d7e-4553-97cf-6a48ceb02340_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:621833,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Opus 5.5 starts stronger, but its team gains flatten quickly.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Opus 5.5 starts stronger, but its team gains flatten quickly.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cf99ef7-0d7e-4553-97cf-6a48ceb02340_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Opus 5.5 starts stronger, but its team gains 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_KB_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9cf99ef7-0d7e-4553-97cf-6a48ceb02340_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 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on these math proofs.</strong> They beat a hundred Fable 5.1 agents too. The stronger model does more with one-tenth as many agents.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/df940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:577584,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Ten Opus 5.5 agents beat a hundred older-model agents.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Ten Opus 5.5 agents beat a hundred older-model agents.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Ten Opus 5.5 agents beat a hundred older-model agents." title="Ten Opus 5.5 agents beat a hundred older-model agents." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wsSB!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf940f90-8760-4fe9-b15d-2fdab105ac35_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Ten Opus 5.5 agents are able to solve problems a hundred older-model agents can&#8217;t. <a href="https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/fc1b44717c85dc068bc6ba5024219938094694bd/Claude%20Opus%205.5%20System%20Card.pdf">Source.</a></em></p><p>We saw an analogous pattern with <a href="https://www.rameznaam.com/p/ai-rsi-isnt-leading-to-super-intelligence#%C2%A75-better-models-matter-more-than-more-copies">test-time compute in the previous post</a>. OpenAI&#8217;s internal model starts far above Astra on the curated math problems below. Even its lowest displayed result beats Astra&#8217;s highest. Changing the model gives a much bigger boost than spending more compute on Astra over the tested range.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:669322,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A stronger model makes the bigger difference on these math problems.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;A stronger model makes the bigger difference on these math problems.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A stronger model makes the bigger difference on these math problems." title="A stronger model makes the bigger difference on these math problems." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MJsv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7484a8d0-0f31-4408-aeff-ef38781f272e_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 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need about <strong>300 times as much compute as the internal model</strong> to match the internal model&#8217;s lowest plotted score. And that extrapolation itself is an unknown. It&#8217;s quite possible that Astra would just plateau before ever matching the OpenAI internal model&#8217;s results with far less compute.</p><h3><strong>What about diversity?</strong></h3><p>Does adding different minds help? A <a href="https://arxiv.org/html/2602.03794v1">study of model and persona diversity</a> found substantial gains as diverse teams grew to eight agents. After that, the average across its tasks barely moved.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:584901,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Diversity helps, but the gains flatten after about eight agents.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Diversity helps, but the gains flatten after about eight agents.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Diversity helps, but the gains flatten after about eight agents." title="Diversity helps, but the gains flatten after about eight agents." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!27i9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5dc63d9a-5c60-46a2-b589-a0087d183022_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 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href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.29661">Aitchison and colleagues&#8217; forecasting study</a>, find useful gains from combining different models. But none of these results demonstrates sustained improvement over many expansions of the team. The first study directly shows flattening; the others test smaller ranges.</p><p>It&#8217;s plausible that today&#8217;s models simply aren&#8217;t diverse enough. <a href="https://papers.neurips.cc/paper_files/paper/2025/hash/754d5a526a5ee5a47220664a0eb92751-Abstract-Datasets_and_Benchmarks_Track.html">LLMs often produce strikingly similar ideas</a>. Perhaps we need bigger changes in how these minds are trained. We&#8217;ll return to whether more deliberately different agents could change the curves.</p><h3><strong>The Best Examples of Multi Agents Improving Collective Intelligence</strong></h3><p>All of the above examples show <strong>sub-logarithmic scaling</strong>, roughly the hardest kind. That said, some experiments show slightly easier diminishing returns, indicating roughly the same gain from each multiplication of parallel work. That&#8217;s <strong>logarithmic scaling</strong>. It&#8217;s better, but still steep diminishing returns. If that&#8217;s how useful research grows while each further AI improvement gets harder to find, even billions of agents don&#8217;t make a self-sustaining RSI loop look plausible.</p><p>In <a href="https://www.redwoodresearch.org/blog/getting-50-sota-on-arc-agi-with-gpt">Ryan Greenblatt&#8217;s ARC experiment</a>, a model generated and checked many candidate programs. More samples kept improving its score, by roughly the same amount per doubling. This is parallel search rather than a communicating research team, but it gives us a useful comparison.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:623401,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Parallel search keeps improving, with logarithmic returns.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Parallel search keeps improving, with logarithmic returns.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Parallel search keeps improving, with logarithmic returns." title="Parallel search keeps improving, with logarithmic returns." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7-I6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1b0a6f93-6108-4089-a440-761d187dc317_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Parallel search keeps improving, with logarithmic returns. <a href="https://www.redwoodresearch.org/blog/getting-50-sota-on-arc-agi-with-gpt">Source.</a></em></p><p>A <a href="https://arxiv.org/html/2501.19153v4">molecular-exploration study</a> found a similar logarithmic pattern as it grew from one to 128 agents. Multiple agents explored chemical targets more effectively than one agent given the same total evaluation budget. Each agent learned as it searched.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!myE-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f58127b-bb66-4a01-8802-95279a055f66_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!myE-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f58127b-bb66-4a01-8802-95279a055f66_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!myE-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f58127b-bb66-4a01-8802-95279a055f66_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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chemical targets, with diminishing returns." title="More agents explore more chemical targets, with diminishing returns." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!myE-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f58127b-bb66-4a01-8802-95279a055f66_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!myE-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f58127b-bb66-4a01-8802-95279a055f66_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!myE-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5f58127b-bb66-4a01-8802-95279a055f66_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, 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href="https://arxiv.org/html/2605.16217v1">Argus on web research</a> and <a href="https://arxiv.org/html/2609.21032v1">Microsoft and Berkeley&#8217;s work on ARC-AGI-3</a>. The latter finds unusually strong gains from one to five agents. Those results deserve attention; we still need to see what happens with much larger teams.</p><p>Logarithmic gains are better than the sub-logarithmic curves we saw earlier. Each tenfold expansion keeps buying the same extra increment, instead of less each time. But both shapes rise drastically more slowly than the research gains assumed in hypothetical models of self-sustaining or runaway RSI. Let&#8217;s put them side by side.</p><h3><strong>Which problems should scale best</strong></h3><p>Some work can be split into independent searches or experiments. Other work needs the previous result before it can proceed. And some problems may need a higher level of intelligence or a conceptual breakthrough before we even know how to divide them. Here&#8217;s a very tentative and relatively subjective stab at which problems will scale best and worse with multiple agents. The chart runs from work that seems easiest to parallelize at the top to the hardest at the bottom. I&#8217;m sure others have many thoughts here, and that this can be much improved upon.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, 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data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:696737,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;From work that seems easiest to parallelize to the hardest.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;From work that seems easiest to parallelize to the hardest.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="From work that seems easiest to parallelize to the hardest." title="From work that seems easiest to parallelize to the hardest." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dyVc!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0c67adb5-ebbb-48ee-954a-072e9db034d5_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>From work that seems easiest to parallelize to the hardest.</em></p><h3><strong>What does this mean for runaway RSI</strong></h3><p>Will a million or a billion parallel AIs get us to self-sustaining or runaway RSI? Let&#8217;s do the math.</p><p>Hypothetical software-RSI models assume that a growing number of AI researchers produces a much larger stream of discoveries. Those discoveries make AI cheaper or more productive, allowing the next round of research to grow again.</p><p>There&#8217;s a strong case for gains in speed and for searching more of a well-defined space. Even speed gains, as we&#8217;ve seen, can taper. Intelligence is much harder to boost through parallel agents. In several experiments, peak problem-solving performance (what I&#8217;m referring to here as intelligence) rises dramatically more slowly than speed.</p><p>Here&#8217;s what three software-RSI models assume:</p><ul><li><p><a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2609.36054#page=12">Chan and colleagues (2026)</a>: doubling effective research labor produces about <strong>2.6 times the rate of software improvement</strong>, holding the software level fixed. I find that implausible as a general assumption about adding copies of today&#8217;s AI models. The clearest large-team intelligence experiments look nothing like that.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/will-ai-r-and-d-automation-cause-a-software-intelligence-explosion">Eth and Davidson (2025)</a>: their illustrative team produces <strong>twice as many papers from twice as many researchers</strong>. The accelerating example assumes that the number of researchers grows faster than the work required for each further improvement.</p></li><li><p><a href="https://www.forethought.org/research/how-quick-and-big-would-a-software-intelligence-explosion-be">Tom Davidson and Tom Houlden (2025)</a>: their central exponent for parallel research effort is <strong>0.6</strong>. Ten times the labor gives about four times the research pace. They cut that exponent in half, to 0.3, when experimental compute is held fixed and becomes a bottleneck. The benchmark reports above don&#8217;t appear to have been limited by experimental compute, so we&#8217;re using 0.6 here.</p></li></ul><p>The top half of the next chart shows research-output relationships used in hypothetical RSI models where AI self-improvement can sustain itself or accelerate. The bottom half shows real-world intelligence shapes from the benchmark experiments. Those experiments show dramatically less gain from running parallel agents than the hypothetical RSI models assume.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:965689,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Hypothetical research curves rise much faster than these benchmark shapes.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Hypothetical research curves rise much faster than these benchmark shapes.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Hypothetical research curves rise much faster than these benchmark shapes." title="Hypothetical research curves rise much faster than these benchmark shapes." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!F4YP!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d354948-7dc8-41c5-aeed-764894d3442a_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Hypothetical research curves rise much faster than these benchmark shapes.</em></p><p><strong>Let&#8217;s put these onto a single chart.</strong> We give every curve the same gain from its first expansion from one to ten agents or researchers, so we can compare their shapes.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:887620,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;The same starting gain, very different later returns.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The same starting gain, very different later returns.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="The same starting gain, very different later returns." title="The same starting gain, very different later returns." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FoU4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a9b1356-dcb4-4f98-bb96-95b7206275c4_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>The same starting gain, very different later returns.</em></p><p><strong>Now let&#8217;s zoom in on the gap.</strong> The real-world shapes sit in a very different zone from the gains assumed in those RSI models, even when we let the math-proof curve keep rising slowly.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:908144,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Zooming in makes the gap clearer.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Zooming in makes the gap clearer.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Zooming in makes the gap clearer." title="Zooming in makes the gap clearer." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!O6u2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7440a55e-ef73-4b33-893c-a58ab5caa4ae_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Zooming in makes the gap clearer. Hypothetical RSI models show </em>much <em>faster gains from adding more agents than empirical models based on real-world experiments.</em></p><p><strong>Today&#8217;s hypothetical RSI models assume gains from additional AI researchers that we haven&#8217;t seen in these real-world experiments.</strong> Removing humans from the loop doesn&#8217;t remove shared blind spots or sequential dependencies. Adding more copies of today&#8217;s models hasn&#8217;t shown the sustained intelligence gains that may be needed for repeated conceptual breakthroughs.</p><h3><strong>Will agents get better at scaling?</strong></h3><p>I do expect better AI models to get better at spreading work across agents: dividing the problem, managing collaborators, and combining what they find. We&#8217;ve already seen progress in speed on program reconstruction. We haven&#8217;t seen a clear trend toward better multi-agent intelligence scaling in the math results. More on that in a moment.</p><p>First, an encouraging analogy: <strong>single-agent thinking-time scaling</strong>. <a href="https://www.tobyord.com/writing/ai-scaling-vs-human-scaling">Toby Ord&#8217;s analysis</a> suggests that humans get more relative benefit from additional time than these AIs get from additional reasoning tokens. That may surprise people. But newer models are getting closer to the human reference on these cybersecurity tasks.</p><p>AI agents can get stuck in cognitive ruts, repeating or refining an approach that isn&#8217;t getting them far. Newer models seem to be improving at how they use extended thinking.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:670675,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Newer models make better use of extra thinking tokens on these cyber tasks.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Newer models make better use of extra thinking tokens on these cyber tasks.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Newer models make better use of extra thinking tokens on these cyber tasks." title="Newer models make better use of extra thinking tokens on these cyber tasks." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RWAN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F957e290d-caca-4ece-8ed9-21dddd9ecac7_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Newer models make better use of extra thinking tokens on these cyber tasks. <a href="https://www.tobyord.com/writing/ai-scaling-vs-human-scaling">Source.</a></em></p><p>This isn&#8217;t multi-agent scaling, but it&#8217;s encouraging. AIs were poor at turning more thinking into harder solved tasks, and that scaling parameter improved. They might eventually pass the human reference. That&#8217;s part of why I don&#8217;t see runaway RSI as imminent, yet think it could become more plausible as these capabilities change.</p><p>We&#8217;ve also seen new findings on helping agents escape their ruts and use more thinking time productively. The new <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.07447">Fork-and-Flush study</a> periodically creates parallel branches that keep the accumulated work but start with fresh chat contexts, then continues from the best branch. It improved results across thirteen research and engineering tasks at the same compute budget. That&#8217;s a concrete research direction for using additional work more effectively.</p><p><strong>So, have we seen a similar improvement in multi-agent scaling?</strong> For <strong>speed, sometimes</strong>. For <strong>intelligence, there&#8217;s no clear direction</strong>, so far, at least on formal math proofs. Opus 5.5 gets more speedup for a smaller cost increase on program reconstruction. But the score gains in the chart below are noisy, and newer models don&#8217;t consistently get a larger boost from additional agents.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:578047,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Newer models don&#8217;t consistently get bigger gains from larger math-proof teams.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Newer models don&#8217;t consistently get bigger gains from larger math-proof teams.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Newer models don&#8217;t consistently get bigger gains from larger math-proof teams." title="Newer models don&#8217;t consistently get bigger gains from larger math-proof teams." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!udoM!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3591268e-0699-4127-83ea-fd7939eaeea4_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 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multi-agent scaling won&#8217;t happen. I expect the labs to work hard on coordination. Improving diversity of thought is a more open research question, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s at least somewhat tractable given sufficient effort. The structure of the problem may impose the hardest limits: some discoveries have to happen before the next useful step becomes possible. We don&#8217;t yet know how much each of these constraints contributes.</p><p>Summarizing what we&#8217;ve seen, here&#8217;s an update on the conceptual limits to multi-agent scaling.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:725928,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;What we&#8217;ve learned so far, and where the hardest limits might be.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;What we&#8217;ve learned so far, and where the hardest limits might be.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="What we&#8217;ve learned so far, and where the hardest limits might be." title="What we&#8217;ve learned so far, and where the hardest limits might be." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WiHR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1281b05c-f587-454b-9935-f645702d60ac_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 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algorithms, and similar reasoning and coding exercises. So how different are these minds really?</p><p>The <a href="https://papers.neurips.cc/paper_files/paper/2025/hash/754d5a526a5ee5a47220664a0eb92751-Abstract-Datasets_and_Benchmarks_Track.html">Artificial Hivemind study</a> found striking similarities in models&#8217; open-ended responses. A <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.03151">creativity study involving 467 people</a> likewise found that adding AI responses eventually contributed less diversity than adding human responses. These experiments suggest that AI agents can bring less diversity of thought than an equal number of humans on these tasks, which may limit how much we get from parallel agents.</p><p>Can we make agents more different from each other? Very likely. Here are four ideas. I&#8217;m sure there are others:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Different training experiences:</strong> vary data mixtures, curricula, reinforcement-learning environments, and reward objectives to develop strong agents that favor different useful approaches.</p></li><li><p><strong>Complementary specializations:</strong> combine agents trained for conjecturing, finding lemmas, searching for counterexamples, and checking proofs. Test whether their strengths combine into results no member reliably achieves alone.</p></li><li><p><strong>Independent proposals before discussion:</strong> let agents develop approaches before seeing one another&#8217;s answers, then exchange evidence and criticism. Test whether this reduces early convergence on the same mistake.</p></li><li><p><strong>Teams chosen for complementary errors:</strong> select members whose successes and failures overlap less, rather than relying only on individual benchmark rank. Measure whether the team finds more verified solutions as it grows.</p></li></ul><h3><strong>How to measure agentic scaling improvements</strong></h3><p>As we discussed in the previous post, we&#8217;re going off of scant data here. This model could be wrong. Or newer AI versions could get sufficiently better at doing parallel work that these diminishing returns would change. If that happens, we need to be aware of it.</p><p>How would we track this? I&#8217;d propose measuring three things from new AI models across a variety of problem times. Across each task type, and especially across real world AI research, measure three parameters and track how they change as newer models arrive:</p><ul><li><p><strong>G - Intelligence scaling:</strong> How much verified task performance does each multiplication of agents add? Measure local score gains, slopes, or exponents as appropriate. This is a task-specific proxy for collective intelligence, not a universal intelligence unit.</p></li><li><p><strong>&#955; - Speed-cost scaling:</strong> How much faster does the team reach the same result, and how much more total compute or agent-time does it use? Track the speed exponent &#955; over successive team-size ranges.</p></li><li><p><strong>N - Where gains weaken or saturate:</strong> At what team size do the score or speed curves bend, or approach a ceiling? Does the bend or onset of saturation move outward with newer models?</p></li></ul><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:678573,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Track intelligence gains, the speed-cost tradeoff, and where gains weaken or saturate.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Track intelligence gains, the speed-cost tradeoff, and where gains weaken or saturate.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Track intelligence gains, the speed-cost tradeoff, and where gains weaken or saturate." title="Track intelligence gains, the speed-cost tradeoff, and where gains weaken or saturate." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dizU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f81dc8-a3de-4eb0-86da-b718d5a898e7_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Track intelligence gains, the speed-cost tradeoff, and where gains weaken or saturate.</em></p><p><strong>G and N answer two different questions.</strong> How much extra benchmark score does a defined team expansion buy, and how many agents can we add before those gains flatten? In the illustration below, G is the gain from one to ten agents. N is the agent count where the curve reaches its plateau. A real curve may have a gradual bend rather than a sharp plateau, or no plateau within the tested range.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:617872,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;One hypothetical benchmark curve. G is the added score from a specified expansion of the team; N is the agent count where gains flatten. The illustrated sharp plateau is not assumed for every real task.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;One hypothetical benchmark curve. G is the added score from a specified expansion of the team; N is the agent count where gains flatten. The illustrated sharp plateau is not assumed for every real task.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="One hypothetical benchmark curve. G is the added score from a specified expansion of the team; N is the agent count where gains flatten. The illustrated sharp plateau is not assumed for every real task." title="One hypothetical benchmark curve. G is the added score from a specified expansion of the team; N is the agent count where gains flatten. The illustrated sharp plateau is not assumed for every real task." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Rs99!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F76f62184-8e3e-4ce6-af6e-62adee8696f2_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>One hypothetical benchmark curve. G is the added score from a specified expansion of the team; N is the agent count where gains flatten. The illustrated sharp plateau is not assumed for every real task.</em></p><p><strong>Watch these parameters over time, especially G and N.</strong> Don&#8217;t stop at one to ten agents. Measure the gains from <strong>1&#8594;10, 10&#8594;100, and 100&#8594;1,000 agents</strong>, separately, on each benchmark. A newer model might scale better over the first interval and worse over the next. We need to know whether the gains improve and whether the bend moves outward.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/fcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:647341,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Three hypothetical trends for added benchmark score across model generations. Measure each expansion separately: 1 to 10, 10 to 100, and 100 to 1,000 agents. Different intervals can follow different paths.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Three hypothetical trends for added benchmark score across model generations. Measure each expansion separately: 1 to 10, 10 to 100, and 100 to 1,000 agents. Different intervals can follow different paths.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Three hypothetical trends for added benchmark score across model generations. Measure each expansion separately: 1 to 10, 10 to 100, and 100 to 1,000 agents. Different intervals can follow different paths." title="Three hypothetical trends for added benchmark score across model generations. Measure each expansion separately: 1 to 10, 10 to 100, and 100 to 1,000 agents. Different intervals can follow different paths." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6p2H!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffcf67f90-29af-482c-b766-b0139db77cab_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Three hypothetical trends for added benchmark score across model generations. Measure each expansion separately: 1 to 10, 10 to 100, and 100 to 1,000 agents. Different intervals can follow different paths.</em></p><p>We especially need to track these trends for <strong>actual internal AI research</strong>. Are newer models getting bigger gains from larger teams? Are those teams producing more verified discoveries and better successor models? That&#8217;s what would tell us whether massive parallel teams are getting closer to the conceptual breakthroughs RSI may need.</p><h3><strong>The Anthropic test and what would change my mind</strong></h3><p>Anthropic has given us a concrete test to watch. Its <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/research/employment-at-anthropic">October employment report</a> shows research agents logging about <strong>nine hours for every human work-hour by mid-July</strong>, and <strong>nineteen by late August</strong>. The company-wide ratio reached about six.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:487286,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Research agent runtime rises to about nine hours per human work-hour by mid-July and nineteen by late August. These hours include longer operation as well as parallel agents.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Research agent runtime rises to about nine hours per human work-hour by mid-July and nineteen by late August. These hours include longer operation as well as parallel agents.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Research agent runtime rises to about nine hours per human work-hour by mid-July and nineteen by late August. These hours include longer operation as well as parallel agents." title="Research agent runtime rises to about nine hours per human work-hour by mid-July and nineteen by late August. These hours include longer operation as well as parallel agents." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Pozk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F70f0d03b-6215-4049-abde-ba5c6fa58851_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>Research agent runtime rises to about nine hours per human work-hour by mid-July and nineteen by late August. These hours include longer operation as well as parallel agents. <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/research/employment-at-anthropic">Source.</a></em></p><p>Let&#8217;s make a generous assumption: <strong>each agent-hour is as valuable as a human research-hour</strong>, with the number of human researchers unchanged. Agents can run throughout the 168-hour week. Anthropic&#8217;s runtime ratios already count those extra operating hours against a forty-hour human week.</p><p>On that assumption, July&#8217;s nine agent-hours plus one human hour amount to ten times the labor of humans alone. August&#8217;s total is twenty times. But Anthropic already had roughly one agent-hour per human hour in April. Compared with that observed baseline, total labor grew <strong>fivefold by July and tenfold by August</strong>.</p><p>What should that do to research? Treat the added labor as parallel research effort. Davidson and Houlden&#8217;s relationships imply about <strong>2&#8211;4 times April&#8217;s research pace by August</strong>, depending on whether experimental compute becomes a bottleneck. Applying the labor exponent used by <a href="https://arxiv.org/pdf/2609.36054#page=12">Alan Chan and colleagues, including Geoffrey Hinton and Yoshua Bengio</a>, gives about <strong>25 times</strong>. Log scaling gives about twice the pace. Our sub-log shapes give only about 1.1&#8211;1.8 times.</p><p>Now translate research pace into the <a href="https://epoch.ai/eci">Epoch Capabilities Index (ECI)</a>. Suppose software research supplies half of baseline capability improvement, while the compute-growth contribution stays unchanged. Then <strong>four times the software pace means about 2.5 times the overall ECI slope</strong>, not four times. We&#8217;re already discounting the software boost. Other obstacles could reduce it further.</p><p>Allow six months from research to public release. Here&#8217;s what those assumptions imply for January and February 2027. The top group uses hypothetical RSI research relationships; the bottom group extends experimental benchmark shapes.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg" width="1456" height="819" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:819,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:843230,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;Conditional ECI slope estimates, six months after the labor increase.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Conditional ECI slope estimates, six months after the labor increase.&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.rameznaam.com/i/221071852?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="Conditional ECI slope estimates, six months after the labor increase." title="Conditional ECI slope estimates, six months after the labor increase." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!h6rn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb82af227-c8a7-4170-8123-00f2d315ba10_3200x1800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p style="text-align: center;"><em>What different RSI models predict we should see in the pace of AI improvement (using ECI slope), six months after an AI labor increase. <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/research/employment-at-anthropic">Source.</a></em></p><p>Why do log scaling and Davidson-Houlden&#8217;s power 0.3 nearly tie? This is only a tenfold labor increase from April to August. At that scale, both calibrations give about twice the software pace. By 100 agents and then a billion, the hypothetical power law curve pulls far ahead of the experimentally-observed log and sub-log scaling rules.</p><p>Around late May, agents were already logging about three hours per human hour: twice April&#8217;s total labor on our assumption. With a six-month lag, that earlier signal would arrive around November.</p><p>These tests have many different assumptions, including equal value per hour and treating added runtime as parallel labor. I&#8217;m open to refining them on how others think about this. In measurement, we should judge the AI pace of improvement as the rate of at which ECI score goes up over successive releases, allowing for development and publication delays.</p><h3>My expectation - and how I&#8217;ll update if I&#8217;m wrong</h3><p>Personally, I don&#8217;t expect to see sustained acceleration of Anthropic&#8217;s AI progress (as measured by ECI) through the first half of 2027, and certainly not one as large as these simple extrapolations from the hypothetical models of Davidson and Houlden or Chan and colleagues suggest. If anything, I expect acceleration at the low end of the sub-log scaling bar at the bottom of the chart.</p><p>I could be wrong for many reasons. Parallel search of different AI training parameters, or use of AI to code new RL environments, or gains from AIs combining existing ideas in the literature could all make a bigger difference than I expect. Or, at the next increment of AI improvement, AIs could start making much more major advances in machine learning theory that allow us to bend the scaling laws and other diminishing returns that AI faces, or to add new axis of scaling, as reasoning models did.</p><p>On the other hand, while more parallel search and recombination of existing ideas seems highly likely, they may not bring huge advantages, and the AIs we&#8217;re making today might not find conceptual breakthroughs. Atop that, ideas probably really are getting harder to find in AI, and that may chew up some or all of the increased capacity of AI to work on improving itself.</p><p>We shall see. If we see the rate of AI improvement increase significantly, I&#8217;ll update my views in proportion to what the data show.</p><p>In summary, for now, multi-agent scaling shows incredibly steep diminishing returns to model intelligence, or the ability to reach conceptual breakthroughs. I expect those sorts of breakthroughs to be necessary for major AI advances and for self-sustaining RSI, let alone a runaway intelligence explosion. And at the same time, we&#8217;re all operating on far too little real world data. 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Painting by Edouard Manet via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edouard_Manet_022.jpg">Wikimedia Commons</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><em>&#8220;Something old and wild and blind at war with man and the works of man&#8221; &#8212; Poul Anderson</em></p><p>Years ago, I thought it was valuable for me to understand the depth of the human capacity for atrocity, so I made myself look at photos and videos of some of the worst things people had done to each other. So in 2015, I made myself watch the full, unedited video of <a href="https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/02/03/lead-dnt-sciutto-isis-burns-jordanian-pilot-alive.cnn">ISIS burning a man alive</a> in a cage. However horrifying that sounds, it was worse. The man stood in the cage and hung his head while masked ISIS fighters all around him sang grim chants. No scripted scene in Game of Thrones could have approached the raw, atavistic horror of that real-life execution. It was like something out of the ancient world &#8212; a human sacrifice on the steps of a temple built to gods long forgotten. </p><p>I thought of that video when I heard about the Trump administration&#8217;s <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/10/15/8-10-americans-oppose-live-streaming-execution-fort-hood-shooter-poll-shows/">plan to stage a public televised execution by firing squad</a>. The condemned man, the 2009 Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan, certainly deserves death, and a firing squad is a relatively humane way to kill a man. But to televise this event to the nation seemed like an act of barbarism &#8212; the kind of spectacle that was already a disgusting relic when Britain abolished it in 1868 (for the U.S., it took <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/10/09/what-know-about-public-executions-why-they-stopped-us/">more than 60 more years</a>). </p><p>I was not alone in this opinion. Except for MAGA Republican men &#8212; a slice of a slice of the right-wing base &#8212; every segment of American society deeply opposed the idea of shooting Hasan on live TV:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!veQS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff5a76299-2ad1-4b74-905e-3d81c344dcc7_717x662.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!veQS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff5a76299-2ad1-4b74-905e-3d81c344dcc7_717x662.jpeg 424w, 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pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/10/15/8-10-americans-oppose-live-streaming-execution-fort-hood-shooter-poll-shows/">Washington Post</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Seemingly swayed by the bad polling, Trump <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/15/politics/fort-hood-shooter-execution-livestream-called-off">cancelled the idea</a>, declaring that the execution wouldn&#8217;t be livestreamed. But the episode has revealed something important about the nature of the men who now rule America. Their values and their worldview are not the same as those of the average American. They are, in many ways, premodern and barbaric. Public executions actually aren&#8217;t a new idea on the right &#8212; Charlie Kirk was <a href="https://www.npr.org/2026/10/16/nx-s1-6003852/public-execution-stopped">calling for them years ago</a>. Now everyone knows that this wasn&#8217;t just empty rhetoric.</p><p>It is very important that we understand the New Right. Donald Trump himself is currently in command of the New Right, but not for much longer &#8212; he is old, older than Biden was at the same point in his presidency, and already <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/05/aging-president-trump-health/687194/">visibly declining</a>. What&#8217;s more, Trump is a singular figure &#8212; a charismatic but <a href="https://x.com/kathrynw5/status/2110730602916036877">spectacularly corrupt</a> mafia type with authoritarian tendencies and a worldview mashed together from early-1990s CNN and half-remembered stories of America&#8217;s pre-WW2 glory days. </p><p>There are many reasons Trump is amenable to the New Right, and became their beloved leader and standard-bearer, but he is fundamentally not of them, and when he is gone, it is that <em>ideology</em>, rather than another charismatic figure, which will <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/after-trump-the-deluge">flow into the vacuum his exit creates</a>. Like MAGA now, it will rule through factional politics &#8212; the strategy by which a small minority becomes the <a href="https://archive.fairvote.org/library/poetry/majorityrule.htm">majority-of-a-majority-of-a-majority</a>. The New Right will lack Trump&#8217;s charisma, but it will also lack the baggage of his corruption and (possibly) the lingering stink of his <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-second-trump-presidency-is-a">policy blunders</a>. So it is important that we understand this ideology &#8212; not simply because it rules us now, but because we may find a purer version of it ruling us sometime in the not-so-distant future.</p><h4>The New Right, Western Civilization, and the Europe obsession</h4><p>I already wrote a post about the New Right, in early 2025:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;43e3160a-4ada-488a-be8e-fb0111e23a36&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&#8220;Now we are not outnumbered! 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The story it told was about &#8220;Western civilization&#8221;.</p><p>When I say &#8220;Western civilization&#8221;, I don&#8217;t mean it in the Cold War sense of &#8220;the free world&#8221;. It doesn&#8217;t include Japan or Latin America, and it very much <em>does</em> include Russia. The Western Civilization that the New Right believes in is defined by three things: 1) European racial descent, 2) Christian heritage, and 3) veneration of the previous two things.</p><p>The third of these is absolutely the key. European descent and Christian heritage define &#8220;Western&#8221; for the New Right, but <em>respect for</em> those things defines &#8220;civilization&#8221;. If you created an all-white country, and it was full of blue-haired genderqueer atheist decolonial-leftist white people, that would be <em>anathema</em> to the New Right&#8230;Nor are the New Right typically pious or born-again Christians&#8230;[Christianity is] more of a source of shared heritage, and a boundary that demarcates historical Europe from the rest of the world. It&#8217;s less about Christ than about <em>Christendom</em>.</p></blockquote><p>This concept explains why the New Right cares so much about Europe. It&#8217;s important to realize that this is <em>new</em>. The Old Old Right &#8212; the right wing of 1910 or 1935 &#8212; was explicitly isolationist toward Europe. Not only did they vigorously advocate against U.S. involvement in European wars, but they viewed the waves of South and East European immigration as fundamentally alien &#8212; a threat to the cultural and racial purity of America. Francis Walker called those immigrants &#8220;<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1896/06/restriction-of-immigration/306011/">beaten men from beaten races</a>&#8221;, and most of the restrictionism of the period &#8212; especially the famous immigration law of 1924 &#8212; was explicitly aimed at choking off the flow of people from places like Poland, Italy, and Greece. </p><p>You can see faint echoes of that old anti-European sentiment in Trump&#8217;s desire to withdraw from NATO. But overall, the New Right cares much <em>more</em> about Europe than any incarnation of the Right in American history ever has before. They view America and Europe as fundamentally unified &#8212; belonging to a single civilization with a single common heritage, ethos, and culture. Here&#8217;s <a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2026/02/15/rubio_to_munich_security_conference_us_will_rebuke_and_deter_forces_of_civilizational_erasure.html">Marco Rubio in February at the Munich Security Conference</a>:</p><blockquote><p>For the United States and Europe, we belong together. America was founded 250 years ago, but the roots began here on this continent long before. The man who settled and built the nation of my birth arrived on our shores carrying the memories and the traditions and the Christian faith of their ancestors as a sacred inheritance, an unbreakable link between the old world and the new&#8230;We are part of one civilization &#8211; Western civilization. We are bound to one another by the deepest bonds that nations could share, forged by centuries of shared history, Christian faith, culture, heritage, language, ancestry, and the sacrifices our forefathers made together for the common civilization to which we have fallen heir.</p></blockquote><p>Rubio restated similar sentiments at <a href="https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesman/2026/10/secretary-of-state-marco-rubio-remarks">a recent speech in Athens</a>. </p><p>The Trump administration and the MAGA movement are obsessed with the idea that immigration &#8212; primarily from Muslim countries &#8212; is destroying the birthplace of Western Civilization, aided and abetted by leftist ideology among the European elite. This is from <a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2026/06/06/hegseth_at_d-day_event_in_normandy_today_different_european_beaches_are_stormed_by_different_dangerous_ideologies.html">a Hegseth speech in June</a>, commemorating the Normandy landings:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><blockquote><p>Sadly, today, different European beaches are stormed by different dangerous ideologies&#8230;Beaches in Spain, in Italy, in Greece, and Bulgaria. Boats and men arrive. When will European capitals do something about that invasion, or is it too late?</p></blockquote><p>And this is from Rubio&#8217;s February speech:</p><blockquote><p>[I]n a pursuit of a world without borders, we opened our doors to an unprecedented wave of mass migration that threatens the cohesion of our societies, the continuity of our culture, and the future of our people. We made these mistakes together, and now, together, we owe it to our people to face those facts and to move forward, to rebuild&#8230;Mass migration&#8230;was and continues to be a crisis which is transforming and destabilizing societies all across the West.</p></blockquote><p>And <a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/02/14/full_speech_vice_president_jd_vance_addresses_munich_security_conference.html">here&#8217;s JD Vance back in 2025</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Of all the pressing challenges that the nations represented here face, I believe there is nothing more urgent than mass migration&#8230;How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilization in a new direction?&#8230;No voter on this continent went to the ballot box to open the floodgates to millions of unvetted immigrants.</p></blockquote><p>The core belief of the New Right, in other words, is that <em>Western Civilization is being invaded by barbarians</em> &#8212; people from non-Western civilizations, who come to the West under the guise of immigration and then proceed to try to overthrow the West from within, with the aid of local leftists and progressive elites. </p><p>This worldview has been reinforced by a constant stream of news from Europe, which American rightists <a href="https://www.isdglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Online-Domestic-Violent-Extremism-Monitor.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com">follow assiduously and comment on constantly</a>. Islamist terror attacks in Europe are rarer than far-right extremist attacks, but <a href="https://acleddata.com/expert-comment/berlin-attack-highlights-persistent-islamist-threat-europe">cause far more deaths</a>. Migrants from Muslim countries are responsible for <a href="https://ardavan.se/en/publications/immigrant-background-and-rape-conviction-a-21-year-follow-up-study-in-sweden">a very disproportionate number of sexual assaults</a> in countries like Sweden. And there are periodic riots in France, often initiated by students, leftists, and various unaffiliated angry folks, but disproportionately joined by poor people from immigrant backgrounds living in ghetto-like areas. The <a href="https://time.com/article/2026/10/16/france-student-protests-macron/">most recent round</a> of such disturbances is currently gripping the nation and generating a bunch of apocalyptic videos:</p><div id="youtube2-_CnK20zmaJ0" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;_CnK20zmaJ0&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/_CnK20zmaJ0?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>Incidents like this have steadily increased support for the European right, which promises mass deportations and has explicitly positioned itself as <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/world/marine-le-pen-french-election-choice-of-civilization">the defender of Western civilization</a>:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/arpitrage/status/2111558610417279385&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Close to 1 in 2 chances now for Le Pen after rioting &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;arpitrage&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Arpit Gupta&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1363976544474062854/AHrOWL5N_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-17T20:42:58.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HU3C0JsXMAA9oUL.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/uz3sT5xnxI&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:8,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:26,&quot;like_count&quot;:274,&quot;impression_count&quot;:14534,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>America&#8217;s New Right views itself as closely allied with the European right &#8212; perhaps even one and the same. Elon Musk does everything he can to <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/25/europe/elon-musk-germany-afd-protests-intl-latam">support Germany&#8217;s AfD</a>, and JD Vance <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meeting-019130">has met with them</a>. JD Vance <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8dll93j7d5o">campaigned (unsuccessfully) for Hungary&#8217;s Viktor Orban</a>. Trump has often <a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/france-le-pen-rattled-reports-us-donald-trump-support/">voiced support for France&#8217;s Le Pen</a>, and so on. It&#8217;s a regular Western Civilization Internationale.</p><p>The European right has been ambivalent about this support; Trump&#8217;s extreme unpopularity in Europe means that his embrace is often detrimental to the European right&#8217;s electoral prospects. Nor is there much evidence that Americans link Europe&#8217;s immigration problems with the immigration issue in the United States &#8212; pro-immigrant attitudes <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/712289/americans-support-immigration-down-strong.aspx">have surged in America</a> since Trump returned to power, and the President is <a href="https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin">underwater on the issue</a>. </p><p>Regular Americans simply do not see Europe and America as a single, unified civilizational entity. They do not view riots on the streets of Paris as a dark portent of riots on the streets of Houston. They do not see their Guatemalan housecleaners as rapists or terrorists. They are not invested in the political fortunes of Alternative f&#252;r Deutschland or Marine Le Pen or Restore Britain. These are fringe beliefs, core to the worldview of the New Right but utterly peripheral and irrelevant to the typical resident of Michigan or North Carolina. </p><p>And these fringe beliefs help explain why the New Right has embraced a savage, atavistic morality that&#8217;s deeply at odds with the decency of regular Americans.</p><h4>Why the New Right embraces savagery</h4><p>The New Right&#8217;s embrace of savagery did not begin with the proposed livestreaming of Nidal Malik Hasan&#8217;s execution. For many years, I have been watching commentators in this movement claim that the American right needs to become tougher, more vicious, and more brutal &#8212; and that conservatism has been hamstrung by excessive niceness and tolerance in the past. For example, here was <a href="https://www.thefirsttv.com/jesse-kelly-this-is-the-new-right-we-cancel-communists/">Jesse Kelly in 2022</a>:</p><blockquote><p>You communists simply got way too comfortable with the &#8216;live and let live&#8217; Right. You&#8217;re gonna have a tough time adjusting to The New Right. Your names and accusations mean nothing to us. You can&#8217;t use our values against us. We&#8217;re enemies. Game on,&#8221; posted Kelly on social media&#8230;I&#8217;m not a Republican. I&#8217;m not &#8216;better than that&#8217;. I&#8217;m a monster. I believe in hitting people who hit me.</p></blockquote><p>In 2021, Donald Trump Jr. <a href="https://baptistnews.com/article/donald-trump-jr-tells-young-conservatives-that-following-jesus-command-to-turn-the-other-cheek-has-gotten-us-nothing/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">told a gathering</a> of evangelical Christians:</p><blockquote><p>We&#8217;ve turned the other cheek, and I understand, sort of, the biblical reference &#8212; I understand the mentality &#8212; but it&#8217;s gotten us nothing. OK? It&#8217;s gotten us nothing while we&#8217;ve ceded ground in every major institution in our country.</p></blockquote><p>And if you watch rightists tweet, you constantly see them making declarations like this:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/mattvanswol/status/2111639785324355845&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Yeah, I'm done.\n\nI'm done being tolerant.\n\nI've seen enough man... these people clearly hate us.\n\nThey hate our country, they hate our families, they hate our society, they steal our tax dollars, they don't learn our language, they attack us...\n\nWhy are we putting up with this?!&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;mattvanswol&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Matt Van Swol&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1580221131985920001/XNlqL_Yx_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-18T02:05:31.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:3986,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:9356,&quot;like_count&quot;:59691,&quot;impression_count&quot;:1796005,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>In his famous essay &#8220;<a href="https://amgreatness.com/2016/09/05/flight-93-election/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">The Flight 93 Election</a>&#8221;, widely viewed as a founding manifesto of the New Right, Michael Anton says conservatives have been meeker than &#8220;fearful, beaten dogs&#8221;, and declares that they &#8220;bend over backward to play by the self-sabotaging rules the Left sets for them&#8221;. Less elegantly written screeds by <a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/05/against-fake-civility-n2457141?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Kurt Schlichter</a>, <a href="https://americanmind.org/salvo/why-the-claremont-institute-is-not-conservative-and-you-shouldnt-be-either/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Glenn Ellmers</a>, and others all make the same argument.</p><p>American rightists have also begun to heap praise on historical rightist leaders whom they view as having achieved effectiveness through savagery. The two they typically cite are Spain&#8217;s <a href="https://charleshaywood.substack.com/p/on-francisco-franco">Francisco Franco</a> and Chile&#8217;s <a href="https://humanevents.com/2024/05/02/jack-posobiec-and-joshua-lisec-ungentlemanly-politics-is-the-opposite-of-the-principled-conservative-who-makes-concessions?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Augusto Pinochet</a>. 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But no:</p><div id="youtube2-r3MUolrOZqw" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;r3MUolrOZqw&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/r3MUolrOZqw?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>Whether American rightists believe in Hitler&#8217;s ideology or want to emulate his policies is beside the point here. The real lesson is that by invoking Hitler, rightists can paint themselves as tough, savage, and ruthless. </p><p>A pattern should begin to emerge here. Leftists are famously obsessed with <em>ideological purity</em>; when Democrats lose, leftists always claim that it was because they were too moderate, or compromised their principles, or failed to energize the working class by promising real change, etc. Rightists, on the other hand, are obsessed with toughness. If Republicans lose, it was because they were too meek, too bound by liberal norms. Repeated failures, to rightists, are nothing but an infinite regress of boxing gloves that they were too afraid to take off. </p><p>This explains the proposed televised execution of Nidal Malik Hasan. Rightists view Hasan &#8212; a Palestinian American who served in the U.S. military but murdered his fellow servicemembers because <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Hasan">he was angry about America killing Muslims</a> in Afghanistan &#8212; as typical of the invading anti-Western barbarian horde. By executing him on live TV, they probably thought they could demonstrate that the West can be equally savage in its own defense. </p><p>It also explains Pete Hegseth&#8217;s constant performative toughness:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/factpostnews/status/2105375946110890376&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Hegseth: No fatties, no trannies, no beardos, no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;factpostnews&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;FactPost&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1878840656895815687/G_C8XV5E_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-30T19:15:16.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYV5!,w_1028,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep/l_play_button_usfui2,w_88,e_colorize:0/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F__ss-rehost__tw-video-preview-13_2105375904176160768.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/RgUvdaCmvN&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:312,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:92,&quot;like_count&quot;:913,&quot;impression_count&quot;:2492608,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:&quot;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2105375904176160768/vid/avc1/1280x720/FfiD1Xw33TAiIMzG.mp4?tag=16&quot;,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:&quot;13_2105375904176160768&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><div id="youtube2-9hU8cENSw18" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;9hU8cENSw18&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/9hU8cENSw18?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>Physical toughness and traditional masculinity are not the same thing as brutality, obviously, but these antics demonstrate the same general obsession with showing that the Men of the West are no weaklings.</p><p>And of course, the rightist obsession with toughness explains part of the romance between Trump and Russia. </p><p>There are many reasons that Trump has chosen to shift America&#8217;s allegiance from Europe to Russia, of course. Given the President&#8217;s <a href="https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/10-ways-president-trump-is-more-corrupt-this-term/">stupendous, unprecedented corruption</a>, I would be very surprised if there were not some financial ties involved. But rightists also tend to see Putin&#8217;s Russia as the living instantiation of Western toughness &#8212; savage, unrestrained, unconcerned with humanitarian softness or the rules of war. </p><p>Republicans have been <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/21/ted-cruz-russia-army-emasculated/">oohing and ahhing</a> over Russia&#8217;s hypermasculine military recruitment ads for years, despite the fact that the Ukrainians inflict many more casualties on the Russians than vice versa. Push-ups and big biceps don&#8217;t win wars &#8212; nor do massacres and war crimes &#8212; but they comfort American rightists with the knowledge that somewhere out there are White, culturally Christian men who can match the hordes of the Middle East in savagery. </p><p>If you wonder why Trump is <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-suspends-new-russia-sanctions-deal-purchase-diesel-citing-nation-rcna603991">canceling Congressionally mandated sanctions on Russia</a>, <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/17/us/politics/russia-gas-trump.html">urging Europe</a> to buy more Russian gas, <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/order-limit-starshield-ukraine-came-inside-white-house-sources-say-2026-10-15/">ordering the military to cut off Starshield</a> satellite communications for the Ukrainians defending their homes from Russian drones, and discussing various <a href="https://www.reuters.com/world/dmitriev-says-russian-wealth-fund-will-work-with-us-payment-diesel-deal-2026-10-16/">joint economic projects</a> with Russia&#8230;well, this is the reason. </p><p>It&#8217;s probably not the <em>only </em>reason. But if it were purely a matter of Trump&#8217;s personal corruption, his team would not be so eager to go along with all this pro-Russia stuff, especially given <a href="https://www.axios.com/2026/10/12/trump-russia-diesel-deal-republicans-midterms">how unpopular it is</a> with the American people. The MAGA ideology views Russia as a civilizational ally against the true enemy &#8212; an EU they believe to be captured by leftists and bent on destroying Western Civilization through mass importation of anti-Western immigrants. And Russia&#8217;s savagery and attitude of toughness both on and off the battlefield provide America&#8217;s rightists with an ideal to aspire to. </p><p>This Russian propagandist basically summed up how the rightists see the world right now:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/kadmitriev/status/2111210293921792284&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Together. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;kadmitriev&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Kirill Dmitriev&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1894067041348222976/v1qXihMq_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-16T21:38:53.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HUyGkeFW4AASRpY.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/WC0Na6UsHi&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:647,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:1195,&quot;like_count&quot;:5979,&quot;impression_count&quot;:898539,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>The rightists&#8217; embrace of savagery, of course, is not just about aesthetics, or about psyching themselves up to do <a href="https://www.axios.com/2026/10/16/trumps-maga-allies-openly-discuss-martial-law">the horrible things</a> that deep down they suspect must be done. It&#8217;s also a way to give them confidence in the face of their own unpopularity. Rightist figures are <a href="https://x.com/ShirleyStarews/status/2095484144788689406">deeply unpopular in America</a>. Their main policy idea &#8212; remaking American policy to ethnically reengineer the American populace &#8212; has very little purchase. Everyone in America <a href="https://x.com/Noahpinion/status/2107242498808799639">still thinks Hitler was the worst</a>. The obsession with Europe, and with their idea of Western Civilization, is a niche, alien thing. And they&#8217;re losing the young generation of men:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wZaT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c82c781-60df-4bb9-8d67-7d7e6a235cae_1031x537.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wZaT!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c82c781-60df-4bb9-8d67-7d7e6a235cae_1031x537.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wZaT!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3c82c781-60df-4bb9-8d67-7d7e6a235cae_1031x537.jpeg 848w, 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/the-bros-are-more-liberal-than-you">Maibritt Henkel</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The only way for rightists to sustain the illusion that they would have the upper hand in a post-democratic America &#8212; that they would triumph in the climactic civil war that suffuses their perfervid daydreams &#8212; is to imagine themselves as a diamond-hard vanguard, a small fist of ruthless men who can defeat any number of effeminate, emasculated enemies, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Percenters">the &#8220;three percent&#8221;</a> who are willing to pick up a gun and kill. </p><p>That fantasy is a dangerous one. You can end up doing some very stupid things if you think you&#8217;re the only wolf in a world full of sheep. A successful movement needs broad popular appeal, not just the willingness to out-barbarize the enemy. But the New Right appears set on pursuing the strategy it has laid out for itself, and all we the rest of us can do is to understand how they think, and prepare for their next mistake.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-are-we-ruled-by-barbarians?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-are-we-ruled-by-barbarians?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>It&#8217;s interesting that Hegseth says that &#8220;today&#8230;European beaches are stormed by different dangerous ideologies&#8221;. What dangerous ideologies did he think were storming the beaches of Normandy in 1944? </p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[AI vs. the railroads]]></title><description><![CDATA[Are we in 1872?]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/ai-vs-the-railroads</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/ai-vs-the-railroads</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2026 08:47:39 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vYOA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6954c481-0787-4359-90fd-1ce2f1075daf_1536x1258.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Photo via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Great_Financial_Panic_-_Intersection_of_Nassau_and_Broad_Streets_with_Wall_Street_-_View_of_the_sub-treasury_..._on_Friday_Sept._19th_LCCN2005676065.jpg">Wikimedia Commons</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>A little over a year ago, a bunch of people were worried that the AI data center boom would result in an epic bust, much like the railroad bust in 1873. I wrote about the possibility at the time:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;5b22fcee-f6af-409f-af16-327f91593406&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;The U.S. economic data for the last few months is looking decidedly meh. The latest employment numbers were so bad that Trump actually fired the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, accusing her of manipulating the numbers to make him look bad. But there&#8217;s one huge bright spot amid the gloom: an incredible AI data center building boom.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Will data centers crash the economy?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2025-08-03T02:07:44.676Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Qlx9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc3d0b4e6-fc63-461e-ab53-ff22b7d90a90_1152x648.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_crop&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/will-data-centers-crash-the-economy&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:169935031,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:904,&quot;comment_count&quot;:111,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The basic idea is that even if AI is an incredibly useful technology and creates enormous economic growth in the future, the people building the infrastructure (data centers) might borrow so much money that they can&#8217;t pay it back in time. Last summer, the AI industry&#8217;s revenue was growing, but not nearly as fast as the amount of money being spent. But the &#8220;hyperscalers&#8221; building the data centers were mostly spending their own cash instead of borrowing money, so the danger wasn&#8217;t imminent. The worry was mostly about the future &#8212; if spending continued to increase and revenue didn&#8217;t accelerate, there could be an 1873-style bust.</p><p>Well, now it&#8217;s the future, and two things happened. Spending <em><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-30/us-big-tech-ratchets-up-ai-spending-past-700-billion-this-year">did </a></em><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-04-30/us-big-tech-ratchets-up-ai-spending-past-700-billion-this-year">accelerate</a>, and hyperscalers started having to borrow money to keep increasing their spending. But revenue accelerated even more. The release of Claude Code, Codex, and other agentic coding tools proved to be the &#8220;killer app&#8221; of AI, and suddenly Anthropic and (to a lesser extent) OpenAI were rolling in cash:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x98h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20eba48d-79d8-45e8-b326-d0c5ae6819bb_1346x800.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x98h!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20eba48d-79d8-45e8-b326-d0c5ae6819bb_1346x800.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x98h!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20eba48d-79d8-45e8-b326-d0c5ae6819bb_1346x800.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x98h!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20eba48d-79d8-45e8-b326-d0c5ae6819bb_1346x800.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x98h!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20eba48d-79d8-45e8-b326-d0c5ae6819bb_1346x800.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x98h!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F20eba48d-79d8-45e8-b326-d0c5ae6819bb_1346x800.jpeg" width="704" height="418.42496285289747" 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pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://epoch.ai/data/ai-companies?tab=revenue&amp;view=graph">Epoch AI</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>So like in summer 2025, we aren&#8217;t obviously heading for a big AI bust in the near future. But the stakes are higher now &#8212; because companies are borrowing a lot more money now, any slowdown in the torrid pace of AI revenue growth could cause a blowup. </p><p>The amounts of money being thrown around here are just staggering. A year and a half ago, the AI boom was still significantly smaller than the railroad boom of the late 1800s, as a percent of GDP. Now, there&#8217;s an active argument as to which one is bigger. </p><h4>Which is bigger, AI or the railroads? (a pointless but fun debate)</h4><p>This debate doesn&#8217;t really matter, because the basic message is just &#8220;Wow, it&#8217;s a lot of money.&#8221; But it&#8217;s fun to look at the numbers people are throwing around. Stijn Van Nieuwerburgh gives figures of 3.63% of GDP for AI and 2.24% of GDP for railroads:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BwgW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8bde064-fea5-411d-9ae8-70982c24d130_933x398.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BwgW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8bde064-fea5-411d-9ae8-70982c24d130_933x398.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BwgW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8bde064-fea5-411d-9ae8-70982c24d130_933x398.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BwgW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8bde064-fea5-411d-9ae8-70982c24d130_933x398.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BwgW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8bde064-fea5-411d-9ae8-70982c24d130_933x398.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BwgW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff8bde064-fea5-411d-9ae8-70982c24d130_933x398.jpeg" width="626" height="267.0396570203644" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4c_Van-Nieuwerburgh.pdf">Van Nieuwerburgh (2026)</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>But those percentages are over different amounts of time &#8212; the railroad boom lasted a very long time. According to some data sources, railroad spending <em>peaked</em> at around 5.4% of GDP:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg 848w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gJbG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6f2110d2-887c-4b72-8b7d-47018b66d812_878x542.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2025-10-08/the-ai-spending-boom-is-massive-but-not-unprecedented">Justin Fox</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And 19th century data are notoriously patchy and incomplete. Some sources claim much higher numbers for the railroad buildout:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/paulg/status/2045120274551423142&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;There's never been an investment like the investment in railroads. (This graph has a log scale!) &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;paulg&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Paul Graham&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1824002576/pg-railsconf_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-04-17T12:40:44.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HGG56-ubYAAqIki.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/nM7VrNWuos&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:227,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:898,&quot;like_count&quot;:8287,&quot;impression_count&quot;:788575,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Nor do people agree on the size of the AI investment binge. Some sources yield numbers that are much lower than Van Nieuwerburgh&#8217;s:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/azeem/status/2110088094233866331&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Still baffled by AI capex? You should be. I still can't work out how van Nieuwerbergh's US estimate is 50% higher than others' global estimates, and what it would imply for chip sales in 2026.\n\nNot all exactly like for like below, but there is several hundred billion dollars &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;azeem&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Azeem Azhar&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1712261265907650560/ozcGIe7s_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-10-13T19:19:39.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HUiJnMhW8AEQz4Z.png&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/rBm7nqLVeT&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:3,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:8,&quot;like_count&quot;:42,&quot;impression_count&quot;:8046,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>As far as I can tell, the main difference here is assumptions about costs. The banks and ratings agencies are using announced <em>dollar</em> spending; Van Nieuwerburgh is using announced <em>physical</em> construction projects and then making assumptions about how much those projects will cost. The biggest reason he gets a higher number is that he assumes data centers are going to cost a lot more than the hyperscalers think. </p><p>Meanwhile, Dylan Patel <a href="https://x.com/dylan522p/status/2104052114611904976">claims over 6% for the AI boom</a> already, once you include <a href="https://x.com/dylan522p/status/2104284449374707717">all types of AI-related infrastructure</a> &#8212; fab equipment, chips, energy, and so on.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> </p><p>But whatever the correct numbers are, the basic point remains the same: <em>AI is now one of the two biggest infrastructure booms in American history, by a large margin</em>. </p><p>So it&#8217;s understandable that people are worried that the two booms could follow similar paths. For the railroads, that path included a big crash in 1873, which caused a huge decade-long depression in the U.S. economy. A lot of people are watching for something similar to happen with data centers, and the chorus of skeptical voices is beginning to swell again.</p><h4>Hyperscalers are starting to borrow&#8230;a lot</h4><p>OK anyway, on to the real point of this post. The flood of revenue that accompanied the rise of coding agents quieted the talk of an AI bubble for a while, but now it&#8217;s back. The first reason is the rise of AI-related <em>debt</em>. In the early years, the hyperscalers &#8212; data center builders like Amazon, Google, Meta, and Oracle &#8212; mostly paid in cash for the data centers. These companies get tons of cash from their software and cloud businesses, and they ended up spending most of it on AI infrastructure. But now the buildout has gotten so big that they&#8217;re having to borrow a bunch of money to keep ramping up spending:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RMqx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0895f5c1-3fc1-4ef1-9261-b5acb2d26e87_825x592.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RMqx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0895f5c1-3fc1-4ef1-9261-b5acb2d26e87_825x592.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!RMqx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0895f5c1-3fc1-4ef1-9261-b5acb2d26e87_825x592.jpeg 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-10/bnp-says-too-much-ai-borrowing-will-end-bull-market-in-credit">Bloomberg</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>For all of the hyperscalers except Microsoft, <a href="https://www.morganstanley.com/content/dam/im/assets/publication/thought-leadership/consilient-observer/article_tofreeornottofree_ltr.pdf">free cash flow either went negative</a> in recent months or is expected to go negative late this year. This has been a giant boon for semiconductor companies &#8212; Nvidia, TSMC, and the rest:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YoK-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1afbf7a0-10e3-4da8-8d6b-f4f25980fc03_817x712.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YoK-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1afbf7a0-10e3-4da8-8d6b-f4f25980fc03_817x712.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YoK-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1afbf7a0-10e3-4da8-8d6b-f4f25980fc03_817x712.jpeg 848w, 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When they paid in cash, hyperscalers were safe &#8212; if AI revenue disappointed, their stock prices would go down, but their businesses would just keep going and they&#8217;d eventually recover their profitability. But the more hyperscalers borrow, the more revenue they&#8217;ll need just to stay solvent; if the revenue doesn&#8217;t arrive, they might have to default on their debt. </p>
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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" 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Far down the list was a line that read &#8220;New Keynesian macroeconomics deserves a Nobel&#8221;. Somehow I never got around to writing that post, and now I never will. Because today, it happened! This year&#8217;s Econ Nobel went to Bob Hall and Mike Woodford, two of the theory&#8217;s most important creators.</p><p>First, let me say that this prize is long overdue. In 2009, I asked my PhD advisor, Miles Kimball, who was the greatest living macroeconomist. Without hesitation, he answered &#8220;Bob Hall&#8221;, and said he would be very surprised if Hall didn&#8217;t win the Nobel at some point. Hall&#8217;s work is breathtakingly broad; if you want good summaries, I recommend <a href="https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2026/10/the-nobel-prize-goes-to-robert-hall-and-michael-woodford.html">Alex Tabarrok</a> and <a href="https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2026/10/robert-hall-nobel-laureate.html">Tyler Cowen</a> (as usual). As for Michael Woodford, everyone I know assumed that if New Keynesian macro ever did get the prize, Woodford would be included, as he literally <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Interest-Prices-Foundations-Theory-Monetary/dp/0691010498/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IA3UFO9B8VRA&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0tqpXNw9Z_MtIReZn3yhrFMpRz3DsPybbRfdohY3WKWS6uGC7ocIYsj0b_dozQIVIA3Lh1R2XwJC3AW76BQqB6LMcDg942Aliy2wXdliuA1sA5lzVj4uZimFrAOkuMuXKAsPwVlYys2Pet_gBdsxjg.qG3AincG-yiyfKkdVjDKIlkqQFYnusk5PVIr_KZYebg&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=Interest+and+Prices%3A+Foundations+of+a+Theory+of+Monetary+Policy&amp;nsdOptOutParam=true&amp;qid=1791807617&amp;sprefix=interest+and+prices+foundations+of+a+theory+of+monetary+policy%2Caps%2C187&amp;sr=8-1">wrote the book on it</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> </p><p>But anyway, let&#8217;s talk about New Keynesian economics &#8212; what it is, how it came about, why it&#8217;s important, and why it didn&#8217;t get a Nobel until now. Let&#8217;s start with a brief history of modern macroeconomics. </p><p>Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, most economists tried to understand the macroeconomy by looking at relationships between macroeconomic aggregates. For example, &#8220;If income goes up by 10%, how much will spending go up?&#8221;. Or &#8220;If inflation goes up by 3 percentage points, how much will unemployment go down?&#8221;. <a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>The problem with that is that <em>correlation isn&#8217;t causation</em>. Suppose you see that when inflation rises, unemployment goes down. That correlation is called a Phillips Curve. So you think &#8220;OK, if we raise inflation, more people will get jobs&#8221;. But you try that, and it doesn&#8217;t work &#8212; you push inflation up (by printing more money), but unemployment stays high. The correlation you saw before has now broken down. Now you&#8217;ve got two problems instead of one!</p><p>This is a very simplified version of <a href="https://crei.cat/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/cgg_qje2000.pdf">what a lot of economists think happened in the 1970s</a>. Whether that&#8217;s what really happened is a story for another day. But the stagflation of the 1970s prompted the econ profession as a whole to rethink how it modeled the macroeconomy. A lot of researchers asked: What parts of the macroeconomy are <em>invariant </em>to policy? What are the solid foundations we can stand on, so that when we try to make some sort of change, we don&#8217;t cause our own theories to crumble? </p><p>The answer most economists settled on was called &#8220;microfoundations&#8221;. They reasoned that the basic drivers of <em>individual and corporate </em>economic behavior shouldn&#8217;t change when macro policies like interest rates and government spending change. Most importantly, those drivers include:</p><ol><li><p><strong>Technology</strong></p></li><li><p>Consumer <strong>preferences</strong></p></li><li><p>The process by which people and businesses form <strong>expectations</strong> of the future</p></li></ol><p>Do all three of these really stay the same when economic policy changes? Probably not completely. But it gave macroeconomists a place to start. So in the late 1970s and early 1980s, economists started to build macro models based on theories of individual and corporate behavior. These were called &#8220;microfounded&#8221; macro models. </p><p>The last of those three &#8220;microfoundations&#8221; &#8212; expectations &#8212; was particularly thorny to think about. Almost any sort of expectation-formation process that you write down allows policymakers to <em>trick</em> people over and over, by surprising them systematically. Economists thought that <em>eventually</em>, people should wise up to the government&#8217;s tricks. So they came up with the idea that consumers and businesses should, on average, be as smart as the economists making the models. If economists write down a model of how the world works, that model should be the average person&#8217;s mental model <em>in the model</em>. Basically, people generally know how the economy works, and they plan accordingly.</p><p>This idea is called &#8220;rational expectations&#8221;. </p><p>In 1978, Bob Hall wrote <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~rehall/Stochastic-JPE-Dec-1978.pdf">a very influential paper</a> that convinced a lot of economists that this was the right track. Hall wanted to test a simple idea, originally developed by Milton Friedman: If people plan out their consumption in advance, then changes in the level of consumption should be <em>completely random</em>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> Nothing from last quarter should be able to predict the change in consumption this quarter &#8212; because if something last quarter mattered for this quarter&#8217;s consumption, people would <em>already have changed their consumption</em> last quarter! Hall found that, sure enough, a bunch of variables that seemed like they should be important for consumption &#8212; especially last quarter&#8217;s income &#8212; didn&#8217;t actually help predict changes in consumption. </p><p>For a more detailed explanation, I recommend this post by John Cochrane:</p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:153289510,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.grumpy-economist.com/p/bob-hall-and-consumption&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:2178684,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;The Grumpy Economist&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UFgc!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Faf9ce6e0-0adc-47c1-9cc3-9a4766b41ec5_500x500.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Bob Hall and Consumption&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;I wrote this essay on Bob Hall and Consumption (link goes to pdf on my webpage) for the conference in honor of Bob Hall at Hoover, November 22. 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It turned into a more extended history of some trends in macroeconomics, which any student of macroeconomics might find useful. Why we do what we do is often obscure. If this post exceeds your email limit, finis&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">2 years ago &#183; 35 likes &#183; 8 comments &#183; John H. Cochrane</div></a></div><p>Brian Albrecht has <a href="https://www.economicforces.xyz/p/and-the-2026-economics-nobel-goes">a good (brief) explanation as well</a>. </p><p>At first blush, this might not seem like an important result. After all, absence of evidence isn&#8217;t evidence of absence &#8212; there might be other variables that <em>do </em>predict changes in consumption, that Hall simply forgot to test. And in fact, Hall <em>did </em>find one variable that predicted future changes in consumption: stock prices. So even in the formal sense, the basic theory didn&#8217;t quite hold. Nor did Hall&#8217;s result rule out the traditional Keynesian idea of consumption &#8212; if government spending surprises people, it can move consumption immediately, without creating any sort of predictable future change. </p><p>But it <em>was </em>an important result, for two reasons. First, if people plan ahead when making their economic decisions, it should be possible for policymakers to influence <em>today&#8217;s </em>behavior by making promises about what they&#8217;ll do <em>in the future</em>. Second, if it&#8217;s impossible for economists to predict changes in consumption, that implies that consumers are as good at planning their future consumption as economists are. </p><p>If that&#8217;s true, it&#8217;s an important lesson for policy: If you want to make people consume more, or if you want to make businesses hire more, etc., you have to do it in a way such that <em>people generally understand what you&#8217;re doing</em>. </p><p>So macroeconomists set out to make models of the economy in which people understand how the economy works. At first, this effort didn&#8217;t go well. For example, one very popular early idea &#8212; which eventually won a Nobel &#8212; was called &#8220;real business cycle&#8221; (RBC) theory. <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-failed-economic-theory-of-everything">This was the idea</a> that recessions and booms are driven purely by changes in the rate of technological progress &#8212; if engineers happen to invent less useful stuff this quarter, you get a recession. </p><p>No one denies that technological inventions can be very important for economic growth &#8212; just look at how the AI boom is <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americas-future-could-hinge-on-whether">powering the U.S. economy right now</a>. But the idea that tech progress drives the business cycle in a simple, mechanical way just <a href="https://www.minneapolisfed.org/research/quarterly-review/some-skeptical-observations-on-real-business-cycle-theory">doesn&#8217;t fit the evidence</a>. In particular, <a href="https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.96.5.1418">productivity booms don&#8217;t seem to line up with economic booms</a>, as RBC theory would predict.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> </p><p>Even more importantly, RBC models predict that monetary policy &#8212; raising and lowering interest rates &#8212; shouldn&#8217;t affect the real economy. Ed Prescott, the creator of RBC theory, famously <a href="https://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-econ-nobel-prize-is-really-weird.html">declared</a> that monetary policy &#8220;is as effective in bringing prosperity as rain dancing is in bringing rain.&#8221; But our best evidence says that Prescott was wrong &#8212; monetary policy almost certainly <em><a href="https://eml.berkeley.edu/~dromer/papers/AER_September04.pdf">does </a></em><a href="https://eml.berkeley.edu/~dromer/papers/AER_September04.pdf">affect the real economy</a>. </p><p>So something&#8217;s going on there. Macroeconomists were missing something big &#8212; they didn&#8217;t understand how or why monetary policy boosts growth and employment. During the 1990s, a bunch of economists started coming up with possible reasons why having the Fed buy bonds could result in more people getting jobs. </p><p>These ideas generally fell under the name of &#8220;New Keynesianism&#8221;. As <a href="https://www.grumpy-economist.com/p/a-great-nobel?r=1149f&amp;utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;triedRedirect=true">John Cochrane</a> and others have pointed out, this was something of a misnomer. Whereas John Maynard Keynes and his successors thought a lot about <em>fiscal</em> policy &#8212; i.e. government spending and taxes &#8212; the New Keynesians of the 1990s and 2000s focused almost entirely on <em>monetary</em> policy. New Keynesian macro initially owed a lot more to Milton Friedman than it did to Keynes &#8212; everything was about the Fed, and the idea of fiscal stimulus initially fell by the wayside. </p><p>Anyway, in the 90s and 2000s there were <em>plenty </em>of ideas about how monetary policy could affect the real economy. This is probably one big reason why New Keynesian economics was so slow to win a Nobel &#8212; it has so many creators that it&#8217;s not even clear who deserves the prize. Greg Mankiw, David Romer, Stanley Fischer, George Akerlof, Janet Yellen, Olivier Blanchard, Nobuhiro Kiyotaki, Jordi Gali, Mark Gertler, John Taylor, Guillermo Calvo, and a bunch of others contributed pieces to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Keynesian_economics">the edifice</a>.</p><p>Most of these contributions were ideas about why prices are slow to adjust to macroeconomic fluctuations. Basically, if you have something that decreases aggregate demand &#8212; say the Fed raises interest rates like in 1980, or there&#8217;s a banking panic after a housing bubble bursts like in 2008 &#8212; there&#8217;s a question of why companies don&#8217;t just cut prices and maintain the same level of output. If there&#8217;s something causing prices to fall <em>too slowly</em>, that can force companies to produce less instead. A lot of New Keynesian theory is about why companies have difficulty cutting prices. </p><p>Bob Hall made very important contributions here too! The basic New Keynesian model explains how interest rates can affect GDP, but it doesn&#8217;t explain why that affects <em>employment</em>. After all, if growth slows down, it&#8217;s not immediately obvious why a bunch of people should be thrown out of their jobs. In <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~rehall/EmpFlucAERMarch2005.pdf">a 2005 paper</a>, Hall made a model explaining how wages might be slow to adjust to changes in demand &#8212; meaning that when there&#8217;s a downturn, companies can&#8217;t just cut wages, but instead have to lay off workers.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> </p><p>Anyway, New Keynesian economics wasn&#8217;t the brainchild of a few famous founders &#8212; it was a riot of new ideas. It needed someone to come synthesize all of those ideas into something simple that central bankers could use to set monetary policy in real life. That man was Mike Woodford.</p><p>In <a href="https://www.nber.org/books-and-chapters/nber-macroeconomics-annual-1997-volume-12/optimization-based-econometric-framework-evaluation-monetary-policy">a paper with the late Julio Rotemberg</a>, Woodford laid out a simple New Keynesian model. On the question of why companies have difficulty cutting prices in a recession, he punted &#8212; Woodford simply assumed that for whatever reason, only some companies are able to change their prices each quarter.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a> (This idea is called &#8220;Calvo pricing&#8221;, after its creator, Guillermo Calvo.) The rest of the model is pretty simple. Woodford uses the same basic consumption-smoothing model from Hall&#8217;s 1978 paper, in which people&#8217;s decision of how much to consume and how much to save depends on the interest rate. He assumes that the central bank (i.e., the Fed) sets interest rates according to a simple rule that balances out the risks of inflation and unemployment. There are a few more assumptions in there, but those are the basics. </p><p>This simple model provides a guide for monetary policy. It explains how the central bank can cause a recession in the short term &#8212; like Paul Volcker did in the early 1980s, when he raised interest rates to fight inflation &#8212; but can&#8217;t raise employment forever by keeping rates permanently low. And it explains how the central bank can respond to a drop in private demand &#8212; say, from a financial crisis like the one in 2008 &#8212; by cutting interest rates to stabilize the economy in the short term.</p><p>In other words, Woodford&#8217;s model &#8212; which he later <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Interest-Prices-Foundations-Theory-Monetary/dp/0691010498/ref=sr_1_1?crid=IA3UFO9B8VRA&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0tqpXNw9Z_MtIReZn3yhrFMpRz3DsPybbRfdohY3WKWS6uGC7ocIYsj0b_dozQIVIA3Lh1R2XwJC3AW76BQqB6LMcDg942Aliy2wXdliuA1sA5lzVj4uZimFrAOkuMuXKAsPwVlYys2Pet_gBdsxjg.qG3AincG-yiyfKkdVjDKIlkqQFYnusk5PVIr_KZYebg&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=Interest+and+Prices%3A+Foundations+of+a+Theory+of+Monetary+Policy&amp;nsdOptOutParam=true&amp;qid=1791807617&amp;sprefix=interest+and+prices+foundations+of+a+theory+of+monetary+policy%2Caps%2C187&amp;sr=8-1">expanded into a famous book</a> &#8212; is a <em>grand synthesis</em> of the general consensus that emerged from the intellectual ferment of macroeconomics from the 1970s through the 2000s. We knew that aggregate demand was a real thing. We knew that the economy had trouble adjusting to negative demand shocks, resulting in a lot of disruption &#8212; reduced output, people getting thrown out of work, and so on. And we knew that monetary policy could boost the economy in the short term, but that its effect probably faded in the long term. Woodford gave us the <em>simplest plausible model</em> to describe all of that, and to offer central banks a badly-needed road map for stabilizing the economy. </p><p>Because it was so simple and so applicable, Woodford&#8217;s New Keynesian model became the standard tool of central banks around the world. No sooner was his synthesis complete, however, than it ran into a huge problem. In 2008 and 2009, the U.S. and European economies were hit by such a huge negative demand shock that cutting interest rates <a href="https://www.columbia.edu/~mw2230/BPEA.pdf">all the way to zero</a> failed to put things right. Something else was needed.</p><p>There were three basic ideas for what that &#8220;something else&#8221; should be. The first is contained in Woodford&#8217;s model, and draws on the basic idea in Hall&#8217;s papers. It&#8217;s <a href="https://www.kansascityfed.org/Jackson%20Hole/documents/6930/Woodford_JH2012.pdf">the idea of &#8220;forward guidance&#8221;</a>. If the central bank can promise to leave interest rates low for a long time even after the recession is over, that can prompt consumers to spend more today &#8212; thus hastening the end of the recession.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a> The second is quantitative easing &#8212; having the Fed buy long-term bonds instead of just short-term ones, in order to push down long-term interest rates. QE isn&#8217;t in Woodford&#8217;s model, but he eventually <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w22285">came around to supporting it</a>. </p><p>The third idea was <em>fiscal stimulus</em>. If interest rates go all the way to zero, then government spending can become a more effective way of raising demand (as long as the central bank doesn&#8217;t cancel out the stimulus by raising rates again). When the Great Recession hit, New Keynesian economists scrambled to put Keynes back into their theories, by adding a role for fiscal stimulus. </p><p>Hall <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~rehall/HallBPEA110209.pdf">wrote a paper in 2009</a> explaining how stimulus could be effective:<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a></p><blockquote><p>[T]he multiplier linking government purchases to GDP may be in the range of 0.7 to 1.0&#8230;but higher values are not ruled out. New Keynesian macro models have multipliers in that range as well&#8230;Multipliers are higher&#8212;perhaps around 1.7&#8212;when the nominal interest rate is at its lower bound of zero, as it was during 2009.</p></blockquote><p>In that paper, Hall explains how fiscal stimulus can be effective even in light of his famous result from 1978. Even if there is no simple &#8220;consumption function&#8221; linking stimulus directly to spending, there are plenty of ways that stimulus can affect the behavior of companies and consumers, especially when interest rates are at zero.</p><p>And Woodford <a href="https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/mac.3.1.1">wrote a paper in 2011</a> showing how stimulus works in his basic model:</p><blockquote><p>This paper explains the key factors that determine the output multiplier of government purchases in New Keynesian models, through a series of simple examples that can be solved analytically. Sticky prices or wages allow for larger multipliers than in a neoclassical model, though the size of the multiplier depends crucially on the monetary policy response. A multiplier well in excess of one is possible when monetary policy is constrained by the zero lower bound, and in this case welfare increases if government purchases expand to partially fill the output gap that arises from the inability to lower interest rates.</p></blockquote><p>So in the end, the New Keynesians went beyond the ideas of Milton Friedman, and brought some Keynes back into their theories.</p><p>But New Keynesianism&#8217;s biggest success arguably came not in the Great Recession, but in the post-pandemic inflation of 2021-23. Inflation spiked to 9% in 2022, but then came down to around 3% in early 2023 after the Fed raised interest rates. But what&#8217;s remarkable is that unlike in the early 1980s, this happened without a big rise in unemployment!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XPUM!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd46aa80b-66d0-45a6-bf78-1c7a4d300158_1320x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XPUM!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd46aa80b-66d0-45a6-bf78-1c7a4d300158_1320x450.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XPUM!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd46aa80b-66d0-45a6-bf78-1c7a4d300158_1320x450.png 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It&#8217;s <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/how-did-the-us-achieve-a-soft-landing">not clear exactly why this happened</a>, of course, but it sure looks like a big victory for the kind of New Keynesian macro that Bob Hall and Mike Woodford pioneered. The most likely explanation for this &#8220;immaculate disinflation&#8221; is that as soon as businesses realized that the Fed would do whatever it took to beat inflation, they stopped raising prices &#8212; and inflation simply ended. </p><p>It didn&#8217;t require demand destruction like Volcker caused in the early 1980s. It didn&#8217;t require legions of down-and-out unemployed blue-collar workers cutting back on essential purchases to finally force companies to stop raising their prices. All it required was a clear Fed commitment, and forward-looking expectations &#8212; exactly the mechanisms at the core of Bob Hall and Mike Woodford&#8217;s models. </p><p>It was this episode, even more than 2008-9, that truly represented New Keynesianism&#8217;s acid test. And it seems to have passed with flying colors. There was always a question mark hanging over the theory &#8212; it was always unclear whether it could shape the future instead of simply telling a story about the past. Since 2022-23, the answer to that question looks like a much more unambiguous &#8220;yes&#8221;. </p><p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if that had something to do with this long-overdue Nobel.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-nobel-for-new-keynesian-macro-at?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-nobel-for-new-keynesian-macro-at?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Believe it or not, I have read that book cover to cover.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>These are simple examples, but sometimes these models could get very big and complicated!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Except for a smooth trend, which people plan out in advance</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Here&#8217;s <a href="https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aer.96.5.1418">another good paper</a> showing the same thing.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This was far from Hall&#8217;s only contribution to New Keynesian macro. Another example is <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~rehall/Market%20Structure%20BPEA%201986.pdf">his 1986 paper</a> showing how monopoly power could exacerbate economic booms and busts.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Woodford separately <a href="https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/conference/2008/monetary_policy/Woodford_ICSDP_ME.pdf">wrote down a model</a> of how Calvo pricing might arise from imperfect information. It&#8217;s not clear how important this model is, though, or whether Woodford &#8212; or anyone else &#8212; actually thinks that this is the real reason prices are slow to adjust.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Interestingly, it looks like we did this. The Fed kept interest rates ultra-low even in the late 2010s, when demand had recovered. And it even kept rates low in 2021 as inflation was surging. There&#8217;s an interesting paper to be written there about how sluggishness in the Fed&#8217;s reaction function might be a substitute for forward guidance, and act as an automatic stabilizer of sorts.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The &#8220;multiplier&#8221; here is a measure of the effectiveness of stimulus. When the multiplier is greater than one, it means a dollar of government spending raises GDP by more than a dollar.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why Donald Trump won in 2024]]></title><description><![CDATA[Re-upping my election post-mortem, so that we don&#8217;t forget.]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-donald-trump-won-in-2024</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-donald-trump-won-in-2024</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2026 07:31:44 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vRZ5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F51fc1a78-bd12-4ff0-ba2c-860c969d347e_960x559.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Graphic by Chessrat via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege2024.svg">Wikimedia Commons</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Everyone except the die-hard faithful now realizes that Donald Trump&#8217;s second presidency is <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-second-trump-presidency-is-a">a colossal failure</a>. The president is doing his best to gin up symbolic, minor controversies in order to activate negative polarization and distract from his spectacular failures on inflation, the Iran War, corruption, racial harmony, and so on. These include <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2026/10/08/trump-ai-super-intelligence-renaming-01112404">demanding that artificial intelligence be rename</a>d &#8220;artificial superintelligence&#8221;, bellowing that he should have <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/10/politics/trump-nobel-prize-eight-wars">won the Nobel Peace Prize</a>, and <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cmy0r96xygx6o">conducting an execution on live TV</a>. The goal is to get Republicans fighting Democrats over these controversies, in order to trick everyone into focusing on how much they hate the other team instead of how much they hate Trump. </em></p><p><em>The trick will probably fail, just as Trump&#8217;s promise to give every American $5000 for voting Republican <a href="https://www.newsweek.com/trump-5000-check-promise-fails-voters-poll-12487874">backfired</a>. All of these little tempests-in-teapots simply reinforce what a cruel, selfish, petty buffoon Trump is. And Trump&#8217;s approval rating just drifts lower and lower:</em></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p62V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb195f7d-a026-477e-bc6c-d8d3aaa0c037_822x671.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p62V!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb195f7d-a026-477e-bc6c-d8d3aaa0c037_822x671.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p62V!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb195f7d-a026-477e-bc6c-d8d3aaa0c037_822x671.jpeg 848w, 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pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Source: <a href="https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin">Nate Silver</a></em></figcaption></figure></div><p><em>Trump will <a href="https://kalshi.com/markets/controlh/house-winner/controlh-2026">probably lose</a> the midterms, and become a lame duck president, spamming increasingly grandiose, unworkable executive orders while battling a stream of Congressional investigations. </em></p><p><em>That means the window is closing on my ability to force Democrats to reckon with their failures during the Biden years. If and when Trump loses a national election, there will be far less pressure for soul-searching on the left. And once the GOP is no longer in control of all three branches of government, the Democrats will be able to influence actual policy instead of sitting around rebuilding their brand. </em></p><p><em>So before that happens, I want to summon the last fading scraps of the self-reflection that Democrats and progressives were briefly forced into after Trump thumped Kamala Harris two years ago. When Trump won, I wrote four blog posts trying to explain where the Democrats had gone wrong:</em></p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;22a79db4-4bc5-461e-95c4-99e11ea8ac4f&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Well, that obviously didn&#8217;t go the way I would prefer.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Identity politics isn't working&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-07T01:34:58.866Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!llKs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F386f76e1-164c-4840-b5f6-f20f8bfeba30_858x822.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/identity-politics-isnt-working&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:151276137,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:662,&quot;comment_count&quot;:355,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a8e10027-e128-45df-8835-7507cf42c736&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m eventually going to write quite a lot about the consequences of Donald Trump&#8217;s election victory. For now I want to keep focusing on the lessons that I think Democrats &#8212; and everyone &#8212; can learn from the result. Three that immediately stand out to me are:&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Americans hate inflation more than they hate unemployment&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-08T07:21:15.340Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c6o6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F47888d2b-01dc-40fa-9d31-949efdcfbbd0_2190x1520.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-hate-inflation-more-than&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:151330444,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:382,&quot;comment_count&quot;:355,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;3e92b1da-65e2-42b9-8689-4bd3874f45c1&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;I&#8217;ve been writing about the lessons that Democrats should take away from the big GOP victory in this week&#8217;s election. I&#8217;ve written about how identity politics is failing to attract Hispanic voters, and about how Dems cared too much about employment and not enough about inflation&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The educated professional class is out of touch with America&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-10T08:49:55.531Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KJE6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fadb4969a-4efd-4487-8388-e000620ef90a_500x713.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-educated-professional-class-is&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:150944877,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:574,&quot;comment_count&quot;:415,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;cceb7097-fe48-4a02-81ae-41d1769205e0&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Donald Trump&#8217;s victory last week wasn&#8217;t the only important election result. Big cities in California shifted away from so-called &#8220;progressive&#8221; governance. In San Francisco, progressive champion Aaron Peskin was soundly defeated in the mayoral race, and his vacated seat was won by a &#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The blue cities must be fixed&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-11-12T06:54:32.762Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!uWxq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F715ac230-0f8b-4696-bed6-3fcf7f754cb9_2100x1676.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-blue-cities-must-be-fixed&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:151531665,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:786,&quot;comment_count&quot;:256,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p><em>So today I&#8217;m going to repost all four parts of my election post-mortem, so that the progressives and Democrats among my readers can take one final moment to reflect on how not to enable the rise of authoritarian rightist leaders in future election cycles. </em></p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Identity politics isn&#8217;t working</strong></h2><p>I&#8217;ve made no secret of the fact that I think Trump is <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/four-reasons-not-to-vote-for-trump">a terrible choice for America</a>, but there&#8217;s no denying that the American people have made their choice. Trump is currently projected to win every single swing state. He outperformed his 2020 performance in <a href="https://x.com/EricAbbenante/status/1854056504044744735">every single county in the country</a>. He&#8217;s projected to win <a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/4976301-when-was-the-last-time-the-republican-party-won-the-popular-vote/">a solid majority of the popular vote</a> &#8212; the first time a Republican has done so since 2004. I still don&#8217;t like the Electoral College as an institution, but you can&#8217;t blame it for this result like you could for 2016. In fact, Trump&#8217;s victory was part of a more general Republican landslide &#8212; the GOP took the Senate and improved its majority in the House. A map of political shifts between 2020 and 2024 shows <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html">almost solid red</a>.</p><p>I suppose a small silver lining here is that we won&#8217;t have to spend the next two months enduring waves of &#8220;Stop the Steal&#8221; election denials, lawsuits, and threats to repeat January 6th. Democracy delivered Trump a victory, and so Trump has little incentive to attack democracy.</p><p>In fact, that silver lining might extend to the long term too. Trump and the GOP won because nonwhite voters and working-class voters &#8212; traditional Democratic constituencies &#8212; shifted his way. Dems still won Hispanic, Black, and Asian voters overall, but their margins fell significantly from previous elections, while actually improving with White voters:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DCZH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a519e96-22fe-44f0-ad2b-94a339f060b4_916x400.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DCZH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a519e96-22fe-44f0-ad2b-94a339f060b4_916x400.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DCZH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a519e96-22fe-44f0-ad2b-94a339f060b4_916x400.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DCZH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a519e96-22fe-44f0-ad2b-94a339f060b4_916x400.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DCZH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a519e96-22fe-44f0-ad2b-94a339f060b4_916x400.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DCZH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a519e96-22fe-44f0-ad2b-94a339f060b4_916x400.jpeg" width="686" height="299.5633187772926" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0fBp!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaca1c4e-f654-492c-a1ac-74b5759cbd7f_837x624.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0fBp!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaca1c4e-f654-492c-a1ac-74b5759cbd7f_837x624.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0fBp!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaca1c4e-f654-492c-a1ac-74b5759cbd7f_837x624.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!0fBp!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbaca1c4e-f654-492c-a1ac-74b5759cbd7f_837x624.jpeg" width="652" height="486.078853046595" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-Bg2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2c9d3e16-847c-4d26-aa11-722b439a3467_986x753.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.slowboring.com/p/breaking-down-the-election-results">Slow Boring</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Ronald Reagan&#8217;s <a href="https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/ronald_reagan_411959">prophecy</a> that Latinos would become Republicans is <a href="https://www.axios.com/2024/11/06/election-trump-latinos-gains">coming to pass</a>.</p><p>Income has realigned as well. Democrats are now the party of the educated upper middle and wealthy class, but have lost their appeal to the middle and working classes:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg" width="672" height="498.87179487179486" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:608,&quot;width&quot;:819,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:672,&quot;bytes&quot;:111806,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vFZK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe4e622b2-ff97-43ff-b5c5-75514bf2527f_819x608.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This largely destroys the narrative that nonwhite immigration will demographically drown White Americans under a tide of imported minority votes. In fact, it vindicates my guest poster Wally Nowinski, who observed that high-turnout elections like this one now <em>help Republicans</em>, because marginal voters &#8212; working-class Americans and Hispanic Americans &#8212; now lean to the right:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;7ed3eea3-db6a-4068-8378-9505da9c9b32&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;For many years, I&#8217;ve heard Democrats fret that Republicans were trying to reduce voter turnout in order to win elections. This rhetoric kicked into high gear after 2020, with some Dems even framing measures like voter ID laws as assaults on democracy itself. I was always a bit suspicious of this line. 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Hopefully they will also realize that any attempt to make voting <em>harder</em> actually hurts them in the future, because the impact would fall disproportionately on their own base.</p><p>I expect these realizations to take some time to sink in, but ultimately their effect could be very salutary for American democracy. In the days of Nixon and Reagan, Republicans never worried about democracy itself &#8212; it was obviously on their side. Even in 2004, Republicans could tell themselves that we lived in a &#8220;<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Right-Nation-Conservative-Power-America/dp/0143035398">center-right nation</a>&#8221;. Now, Trump&#8217;s victory, powered by lower-income Americans and Hispanic men, will hopefully convince the GOP that democracy is still a game they can win.</p><p>A democracy needs both major parties to believe they can win via persuasion rather than by organized resistance, and 2024 showed that Republicans can still do that &#8212; even if the method of persuasion is one that I personally wish hadn&#8217;t worked so well.</p><p>If you want an optimistic take, there it is.</p><p>So what other important lessons can we learn from this disappointing election result? I didn&#8217;t title this post &#8220;Why Trump won&#8221;, because I don&#8217;t think I really have a convincing answer &#8212; I&#8217;m not a political scientist, or even a political pundit. In fact, there are probably a bunch of reasons, not just one.</p><p>Nor am I going to be one of those pundits who tells you that if only Democrats had listened to <em>my</em> policy priorities, things would have gone very differently. In fact, few Americans care about my own policy priorities. My top issues are <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/biden-did-stuff-and-it-looks-like">industrial policy</a> and <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-free-world-teeters-on-the-edge">pro-democratic foreign policy</a>. I definitely don&#8217;t think emphasizing those more, or doing more of those things, would have propelled Harris to victory. (I don&#8217;t think they would have <em>hurt</em>; I think voters just don&#8217;t care.)</p><p>But I do think there are some important lessons that we can already learn from this election, especially at the intersection of economics and politics. In particular, I see three big ones:</p><ol><li><p>Identity politics &#8212; viewing racial groups as homogeneous &#8220;communities&#8221; to be targeted with appeals to collective grievances &#8212; is not an effective way of winning over Hispanic (or, probably, Asian) voters.</p></li><li><p>People care about inflation more than about unemployment.</p></li><li><p>The educated professional class has become dangerously out of touch with the rest of the country.</p></li></ol><p>Instead of writing all of these in one post, I&#8217;m going to split it into three, because I think the lessons are each very important. Since I&#8217;ve already shown the racial and class breakdown of the exit polls, I&#8217;ll talk about how identity politics is failing Democrats. Whether or not you think identity politics drove voters into Trump&#8217;s arms, it certainly hasn&#8217;t done an effective job of retaining Hispanic voters. The whole approach needs a deep rethink.</p><h4><strong>Americans are individuals, not extensions of racial &#8220;communities&#8221;</strong></h4><p>In the 2010s, there was a big debate over identity politics, with scholars like Francis Fukuyama <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/theworldpost/wp/2018/09/18/identity-politics/">warning that</a> treating the American electorate as a balkanized set of racial collectives was undermining democracy. Stacey Abrams and other progressive writers <a href="https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/e-pluribus-unum">pushed back against Fukuyama</a>, arguing that all politics is identity politics, and so Democrats should continue focusing on racial appeals.</p><p>Abrams et al. were right in the <a href="https://www.vox.com/2015/1/29/7945119/all-politics-is-identity-politics">facile, definitional sense</a> that people&#8217;s personal identification with larger groups, movements, and ideas &#8212; rather than their own personal economic interests &#8212; drives much of their political behavior. After all, if human beings were rational calculating machines, they wouldn&#8217;t even vote, given the incredibly low probability that any election will be decided by a single vote.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><p>But the 2024 election &#8212; even more than the 2020 election &#8212; makes it clear that most Hispanic and Asian voters don&#8217;t want to be appealed to based on the racial group of which they&#8217;re supposedly a part. For example, lenient policies toward asylum seekers from Latin America don&#8217;t seem to have won over many Hispanics:</p><blockquote><p>In Hidalgo County, in South Texas &#8212; a Mexican American stronghold that Biden won with 58% of the vote in 2020 &#8212; Vice President Harris and Trump were virtually tied early Wednesday, with Harris leading by less than half a percentage point&#8230;In Cameron County, at the southern tip of Texas&#8217; Rio Grande Valley, Trump led Harris, 52-47, according to early results. Biden won that county with 56% of the vote four years ago.</p></blockquote><p>The whole notion that lenient policies on illegal and quasi-legal immigration would win inroads with Latinos was based on the idea that Hispanic Americans <em>identify strongly with others of their same race</em>. Political scientists call this the theory of &#8220;<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4763936/">linked fate</a>&#8221;.</p><p>Democrats clearly buy into this theory when they refer to racial groups as &#8220;communities&#8221;. This term has become ubiquitous in Democratic messaging &#8212; for example, Harris talked about her &#8220;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=557791986648649">economic agenda for the Latino community</a>&#8221;.</p><p>But <strong>races are not communities</strong>. Our country is not like a segregated 1930-era city, where Black people live in a ghetto, Chinese people live in Chinatown, Italian people live in Little Italy, and so on. Hispanic and Asian Americans might share a sense of &#8220;linked fate&#8221; with others of their race, but it&#8217;s only one of many things they care about, and perhaps not even a major one.</p><p>The big exception, of course, is Black Americans, who continue to vote mostly like a racial bloc, despite Trump&#8217;s modest inroads with Black men. This has clearly influenced the Democrats&#8217; view of how racial politics operates in America, and they&#8217;ve tried to apply the same mental model to Hispanics and Asians. This is explicit in California, where you hear the term &#8220;Black and brown&#8221; thrown around a lot.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>But it isn&#8217;t working. In fact, it&#8217;s backfiring. A <a href="https://www.marcelroman.com/pdfs/wps/latinx_project.pdf">recent paper by d&#8217;Urso and Roman</a> found that use of the term &#8220;Latinx&#8221; actually made Hispanics vote for the Republicans in nontrivial numbers!</p><blockquote><p>Group labels are political, but little theory and evidence explains how group labels shape politician evaluations&#8230;Latinos&#8217; relationship with &#8220;Latinx,&#8221; a gender-inclusive label, is a theoretical test case. Using several datasets, we find: Latinos are less likely to support politicians who use &#8220;Latinx&#8221;&#8230;Latinos who oppose &#8220;Latinx&#8221; are less likely to support politicians who used or are associated with &#8220;Latinx&#8221;&#8230;Latinos in areas where &#8220;Latinx&#8221; is more salient are more likely to switch their vote toward Trump between 2016-2020[.]</p></blockquote><p>One common interpretation of this result &#8212; and one the authors discuss &#8212; is that many Latinos are conservative, and that this makes them susceptible to &#8220;anti-LGBTQ+&#8221; labels. I&#8217;m <em>highly</em> skeptical of this interpretation. Outside small, highly educated, deeply progressive circles, who even knows that the purpose of the &#8220;x&#8221; in &#8220;Latinx&#8221; was to be trans-inclusive? Almost no one who is likely to be offended by the term is even aware of this.</p><p>Instead, what they hear is simply someone making up a weird label and applying it to them. It&#8217;s what sociologists call <em>ascription</em> &#8212; it&#8217;s someone making up a racial category for someone else and then stuffing them into it without their consent. The Occam&#8217;s Razor explanation for Hispanics&#8217; dislike of &#8220;Latinx&#8221; is that it <em>minoritizes</em> them &#8212; it declares that they&#8217;re part of a special &#8220;community&#8221;, separate from other Americans.</p><p>Democrats&#8217; purpose in assigning Americans to &#8220;communities&#8221;, of course, is not to exclude them, but to <em>reward</em> them &#8212; to hand them special prizes or favors via government policy. For example, the Biden administration had a whole policy oriented around <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/10/30/fact-sheet-president-biden-and-vice-president-harris-announce-new-actions-and-investments-to-advance-educational-and-economic-opportunity-for-latino-communities-across-the-country/">giving government benefits specifically to &#8220;HSIs&#8221;</a> &#8212; an abbreviation for &#8220;Hispanic-Serving Institutions&#8221;, i.e. colleges that a lot of Hispanic people tend to go to. Harris also <a href="https://apnews.com/article/harris-trump-latinos-economic-policies-18e99a491ba6df73f61a8c6cca004fd7">had a plan</a> for encouraging small banks to give Hispanic people more loans.</p><p>This is, fundamentally, a <em>special-interest</em> model of politics &#8212; it&#8217;s similar to the kind of quid pro quo that historically dominates much of urban machine politics. I&#8217;m not sure whether today&#8217;s Dems inherit their instinct for this kind of group giveaway from their old <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall">Tammany Hall</a> days, but it&#8217;s recognizably similar to the way California cities <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/nonprofits-are-sapping-the-progressive">hand out cash to favored nonprofits</a> &#8212; especially because the programs are often targeted at colleges or banks or nonprofits or other organizations that claim to serve the racial &#8220;community&#8221; in question.</p><p>But there are notable downsides to this approach. First, unlike in a city, these targeted initiatives probably don&#8217;t make it through to the public consciousness. What Puerto Rican voter in Philadelphia even knows what the heck an &#8220;HSI&#8221; is? But more fundamentally, I think most Americans, including most Hispanic Americans, would rather be treated as <em>individuals</em> than as members of a racial &#8220;community&#8221;.</p><h4><strong>Identity politics and minoritization</strong></h4><p>Identity has many components. For my part, I identify as an American, a Texan, a liberal, a rabbit keeper, a writer, a nerd, a PhD holder, a science fiction fan, a Jew, a white person, a Lithuanian-American, and so on.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> If politicians primarily spoke to me as part of the &#8220;Jewish community&#8221;, I would be annoyed, because I don&#8217;t necessarily want to be defined by that component of my identity. I don&#8217;t reject it, but I don&#8217;t want to be reduced to it either. And if politicians tried to appeal to me with policies targeted through Jewish organizations to benefit Jews, I would simply not care. In fact, I would be a little conflicted about accepting any of those benefits, since it would pigeonhole me into prioritizing an identity that exists as only one component among many.</p><p>Even more fundamentally, being constantly <em>minoritized</em> &#8212; being told to think of myself as a Jew first and as an American second &#8212; would pressure me to shrink the circle of people that I consider part of my own in-group. Because I think of myself as an American first and foremost, I feel like there are 330 million other people who share my primary identity &#8212; 330 million people on my &#8220;team&#8221;. But if I were to think of myself first and foremost as a Jewish person, that would shrink my in-group to only 16 million, almost none of whom live near me. It would make me feel more isolated, and might even cause me to start questioning whether the 323 million non-Jewish Americans who live all around me have my best interests in mind.</p><p>In other words, being set apart from your fellow countrymen and neighbors is generally not a desirable thing, even if the reason is to put you on a pedestal.</p><p>I suspect many Hispanic Americans feel the same way. Talking to Hispanic folks (remember, I&#8217;ve lived most of my life in either Texas or California) and reading books like <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Diversity-Paradox-Immigration-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0871545136">The Diversity Paradox</a></em>, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/New-Americans-Immigration-Politics-Identity/dp/070062385X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=379UYYTIO6Q95&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.j4jDObnGsfN6VLyD8UUH6NnfXXMzrH6CJAS37ov_vaX_46oyBiOVwQ9q62DTmoN6jpYsfG_pHMZgmlu7FHrzvHuWCLItvtlEIajdbTBH_NSG2W22BpZYKkcDdAVQMuNUZTR2qAisOnPxRfELgubMHwP3_ncM4h03XNWmBD0rX8wdo9VtAM4EHlK-R4lRQ11ZrfL1x_LW5x1lydHkM_t-aJzpGZKW8Mqkkmf5v0RCkTY.tBATr8m9qgBjdQrhbWmHlRaHMm9sH-M0XBsJViSn0gg&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=the+new+americans+silber&amp;qid=1730936245&amp;sprefix=the+new+americans+silber%2Caps%2C198&amp;sr=8-1">The New Americans?</a></em>, and <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Great-Demographic-Illusion-Expanding-Mainstream/dp/0691201633/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1CSQEP45YRJ30&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-FwDZfaPQeb1mMLEBQ-sKivnsCdnI8oXHGiuK8liMcyp7A6nOl4WukrmvBshjtBhTHeO17ZojvP0frOQDZFLjdPFFRHCyBSRXyeXxKerQLGVX5Pi8iTZlrXAou2QxTSzGJxNxr8f_oY8VhII3XFgHY-bHznKAjJMlO0pjBmuY9lwjJ30ezEzAWAtWAlFJm_-2qF6irjYlONaz_vMF5XaAtMUl9ppVIBPGSx4XU9tq2M.bLWcIqJWh-JsizcOqqD-cNC4_42SC6YETqmI2KMJYjI&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=the+illusion+alba&amp;qid=1730936419&amp;sprefix=the+illusion+alba%2Caps%2C234&amp;sr=8-1">The Great Demographic Illusion</a></em>, it seems clear that most would like to think of themselves as regular Americans &#8212; not to give up or forget their national origins or ethnic identity, but to prioritize their American-ness.</p><p>The progressive movement of the 2010s told us that this was a bad thing. &#8220;Assimilation&#8221; became a dirty word in progressive circles, and the University of California <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2015-06-18/what-s-wrong-with-calling-the-u-s-a-melting-pot-?sref=R8NfLgwS">told their faculty</a> not to call the U.S. a &#8220;melting pot&#8221;. The implicit assumption was that given the choice, people would like to prioritize their racial and ethnic identities, and that only forcible conformity pressure from American institutions &#8212; or from White people &#8212; was preventing people of color doing that. The Democratic party&#8217;s embrace of identity politics &#8212; its habit of targeting racial &#8220;communities&#8221; with encouraging rhetoric and specific material benefits &#8212; was seen as a way to counteract the pressures of assimilation.</p><p>The conservative counter-narrative was that race relations had been fine right up until progressives started making everything in America about race. Conservatives always send me the following chart:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg" width="720" height="395" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:395,&quot;width&quot;:720,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:47467,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4FXS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd53af2f4-e1b1-492b-b96d-5bcec8084aee_720x395.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/1687/race-relations.aspx">Gallup</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This is a powerful argument. If structural racism was really so entrenched before 2014, then why did two-thirds of Black adults say race relations were good? Essentially, the progressive story is that they were effectively bullied into saying this &#8212; or perhaps bullied into <em>thinking</em> it. The conservative story is that progressives <em>created</em> the decline in race relations by making everyone think about race all the time.</p><p>I suspect that neither of these stories gets it quite right, but that the conservative story is closer to the truth. Increasing the salience of racial divisions and racial conflict makes people mistrust their neighbors more. And although both sides were guilty of this in the 2010s, progressives were far more zealous and absolutist about it.</p><p>Essentially, the progressivism of the 2010s sought to turn American society into a sort of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estates_of_the_realm">estate society</a>, where people&#8217;s rights, privileges, and social roles would be mediated by their identity group. How your teachers and principals treated you, your relationship with the law, what colleges were available to you, what kind of <a href="https://swarthmorephoenix.com/2021/12/02/should-we-be-kicking-white-people-out-of-parties/">parties you could go to</a>, what jobs you could get hired for, how your bosses treated you at work, what kind of benefits you could expect from your government, and even <a href="https://medium.com/@ciarrajones/youre-in-my-way-the-racial-politics-of-the-sidewalk-fa1e2a32e8c3">how people walked past you on the street</a> were to be determined by <em>the race you were born into</em>, rather than your own actions as an individual.</p><p>These race-based social relationships were to be enforced by a combination of DEI departments, lawsuits, social shaming, job loss, and so on. Ibram X. Kendi even suggested the totalitarian step of creating a constitutionally mandated &#8220;<a href="https://www.politico.com/interactives/2019/how-to-fix-politics-in-america/inequality/pass-an-anti-racist-constitutional-amendment/">Department of Antiracism</a>&#8221; to enforce race-based social relations at every level of society &#8212; all in the name of combatting &#8220;structural racism&#8221;, which Kendi <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxS1gM56__4">couldn&#8217;t even define when asked</a>.</p><p>Democratic party politicians never fully embraced this vision of the future, even in 2020-21. Some of these ideas were tried out in 2020-21, but <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/what-remains-of-the-progressive-project">they failed almost as quickly as they were tried</a>, making basically everyone mad in the process. By 2024, Kamala Harris was <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/four-reasons-not-to-vote-for-trump">tacking pretty strongly away</a> from the racialized vision of America.</p><p>But that was too little, too late. People remember the individualistic Americanism largely prevailed in public life before 2014, and they remember the constant hyper-consciousness of race in 2014-21, and they know which one they like better. And although Democrats abandoned much of their woke rhetoric, the practice of targeting politics at specific &#8220;communities&#8221; has persisted. I suspect that it refreshes the bad memories of the racial conflicts of 2014-21.</p><p>All of this is a long-winded way of saying that Democrats&#8217; racial targeting probably makes a lot of Hispanic people feel singled out and alienated in their own country, even if the purpose is to help them.</p><p>But that&#8217;s not all. Democrats&#8217; identity politics flies strongly in the face of the narrative that has defined the American experience for many Hispanics.</p><h4><strong>The story of Hispanic voters is defined by the American Dream</strong></h4><p>To the extent that most Hispanic Americans <em>do</em> share a common experience, it&#8217;s the <em>immigrant</em> experience. Immigrants come to America seeking the American Dream of upward mobility and opportunity. And by and large, they achieve it. Their children tend to earn a lot more than they do, and their grandchildren earn even more.</p><p>This was the path that most immigrant groups have followed &#8212; the Irish, the Italians, the Lithuanians, the Chinese, and so on. For a while, people argued that Hispanics were different &#8212; that they would be permanently excluded from the American Dream. That turned out not to be true:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;8f8c3093-036a-4bda-9d21-daa7d7c35a37&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&#8220;Latinos are Republican. They just don&#8217;t know it yet.&#8221; &#8212; Ronald Reagan&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Hispanic voters and the American Dream&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2021-07-01T05:32:17.246Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!sJNX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F518ba35f-2fbc-4392-bfd8-cb623443e906_683x1024.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/hispanic-voters-and-the-american&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:38245091,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:40,&quot;comment_count&quot;:17,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>For many Hispanic Americans, their salient experience of America has not been one of racialized exclusion, but one of upward economic mobility and social inclusion. Economists have found that <a href="http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_paper.pdf">Hispanic incomes are converging to White levels</a> across the generations. Once you control for the composition effect of new poor immigrants coming in, there&#8217;s strong income convergence across the generations:</p><blockquote><p>We study the sources of racial and ethnic disparities in income using de-identified longitudinal data covering nearly the entire U.S. population from 1989-2015&#8230;.[T]he intergenerational persistence of disparities varies substantially across racial groups. For example, Hispanic Americans are moving up significantly in the income distribution across generations because they have relatively high rates of intergenerational income mobility&#8230;</p><p>Hispanic Americans are moving up significantly in the income distribution across generations. For example, a model of intergenerational mobility analogous to Becker and Tomes (1979) predicts that the gap will shrink from the 22 percentile difference between Hispanic and white parents observed in our sample&#8230;to 6 percentiles in steady state&#8230;</p><p>Hispanics are on an upward trajectory across generations and may close most of the gap between their incomes and those of whites&#8230;Their low levels of income at present thus appear to to be primarily due to transitory factors.</p></blockquote><p>In fact, despite composition effects from continued immigration, Hispanic wages have grown faster than White wages in America since the turn of the century:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FYq-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdbfb964e-cfd2-40db-a63a-554f707e1991_1320x450.png" 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fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Surveys unsurprisingly have found <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2012/01/26/iv-latinos-and-upward-mobility/">widespread economic optimism</a> among Hispanics for many years. Hispanics are <a href="https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/05/significant-educational-strides-young-hispanic-population.html">climbing the ladder of education</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg" width="678" height="499.008" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:736,&quot;width&quot;:1000,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:678,&quot;bytes&quot;:100638,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Hai_!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff070cd67-ac39-44b1-8c5d-e6c8ce00b64c_1000x736.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/05/significant-educational-strides-young-hispanic-population.html">Census Bureau</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Hispanic homeownership is <a href="https://www.newamericanfunding.com/learning-center/inclusive-lending/hispanic-homeownership-on-the-rise-infographic#:~:text=A%20Steady%20Climb%20in%20Homeownership%20Rates&amp;text=As%20of%20the%20third%20quarter,%2Dterm%20average%20of%2046.71%25.">rising strongly</a>. And Hispanics are <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2024/04/02/the-unstoppable-growth-rate-of-latino-owned-businesses-in-america/">starting businesses at very high rates</a>:</p><blockquote><p>New businesses owned by Latinos accounted for 36% of launches in 2023&#8230;As of 2023, Latino entrepreneurs have established a staggering five million businesses across the United States, collectively <a href="https://hispanicexecutive.com/five-latino-business-trends-stanford-university/">generating over $800 billion in annual revenue</a>&#8230;The rapid pace of this growth is further highlighted by the fact that the number of Latino/a-owned businesses<a href="https://ssti.org/blog/latinoa-businesses-are-fastest-growing-demographic-us-stanford-finds"> surged by 34% from 2007 to 2019</a>.</p></blockquote><p>In other words, Hispanic Americans&#8217; economic path looks reasonably similar to that of Italian Americans or Irish Americans.</p><p>In the 2010s, it became taboo to even <em>talk</em> about these successes in some progressive circles. The University of California&#8217;s <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-06-18/what-s-wrong-with-calling-the-u-s-a-melting-pot-?sref=R8NfLgwS">2015 speech guidelines</a> told faculty not to say &#8220;America is the land of opportunity&#8221;. This was deemed to be a racist utterance, since it supposedly minimized the economic exclusion that many minority groups have faced.</p><p>But the fact is, America <em>is</em> the land of opportunity, especially for immigrants and their children. Hispanic Americans, broadly speaking, have been prime beneficiaries of that upward mobility &#8212; they have worked incredibly hard, gone to school, started businesses, learned English, and done everything else they were supposed to do. And America has rewarded them with economic success and social integration.</p><p>Compared to that self-bootstrapped success, racial preferences &#8212; DEI, affirmative action, preferential government contracts, and so on &#8212; are basically a booby prize. Yes, in reality, those policies can sometimes help accelerate Latino achievement. But the mere fact that they&#8217;re on offer &#8212; and that Democrats seemingly view them as permanent policies instead of temporary ones &#8212; sends the message that Hispanics are a permanently racialized, excluded, marginalized group. This message is often explicit &#8212; when Democrats and progressives talk about &#8220;marginalized groups&#8221;, which they often do, that term is generally supposed to include Hispanics.</p><p>Being a marginalized group is simply not part of anyone&#8217;s American Dream.</p><p>The tricky part for Democrats is that this is an approach that has largely worked with Black voters &#8212; or at least failed to alienate them. It will be difficult for Democrats to convince themselves that Hispanic voters are not going to work the same, after spending so many years believing they would. But the 2024 election, and the trend of the last few elections, makes it clear that the two are <em>not</em> going to work the same.</p><h4><strong>After identity politics</strong></h4><p>Identity politics allows Democrats to hold on to a supermajority of the Black vote, so I suspect it will never go away. But the Black vote is a smallish and shrinking part of the electorate, and even there, the power of idpol may be fading a bit. Meanwhile, Hispanic voters, Asian voters, and Middle Eastern voters are the future. Those groups are all strongly upwardly mobile, and mostly descended from people who came to America voluntarily in search of the American Dream. And although ethnic studies professors and progressive activists will happily tell you all about the Chinese Exclusion Act and post-9/11 Islamophobia, it&#8217;s just not the case that Hispanic, Asian, and Middle Eastern Americans have anything that compares to the history of slavery and segregation.</p><p>The Democrats need to move away from identity politics. And switching to class-based politics, as some have suggested, won&#8217;t really help. Biden was probably the most pro-union and pro-worker President America has had since the mid 20th century, and yet some prominent unions <a href="https://teamster.org/2024/09/teamsters-no-endorsement-for-u-s-president/">refused to endorse Harris</a>.</p><p>Instead, Democrats need to retool their message to be about <em>American</em> identity, as it was in the New Deal days, and as it arguably was for Clinton and Obama. I believe Harris actually took steps in the right direction, but not enough, and not nearly <em>soon</em> enough &#8212; and she was probably the wrong person to sell the idea. My advice is not to be discouraged, and to keep at it &#8212; Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis both went down to crushing defeats with centrist, positive messaging, but then Bill Clinton eventually figured out how to make the approach work.</p><p>Republicans will eventually screw up. Trump is old, and he has a lot of <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/trumpism-is-kakistocracy">foolish and bad people around him</a>, and his economic policy program is kind of a dead end. At some point, America will once more call upon the Democrats to save them from Republican mistakes, as they did in 2008 and in 1992. Democrats will have an easier time rising to that inevitable summons if they leave the identity politics of the 2010s behind. Because that stuff just isn&#8217;t getting the job done.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>Americans hate inflation more than they hate unemployment</strong></h2><p>In 2021, there was a fierce debate, both within the Biden administration and among the general left-of-center commentariat, about how much to worry about inflation. For example, in May 2021, <a href="https://larrysummers.com/2021/05/24/the-inflation-risk-is-real/">Larry Summers wrote</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Even six months ago, it was reasonable to regard slow growth, high unemployment and deflationary pressures as the predominant risk to the economy. Today, while continuing relief efforts are essential, the focus of our macroeconomic policy needs to change&#8230;Inflationary pressures are mounting&#8230;How much does it matter whether inflation accelerates? In general, increases in inflation disproportionately hurt the poor and are associated with reductions in trust in government. Progressives might consider the role that inflation played in electing Richard M. Nixon in 1968 and Ronald Reagan in 1980.</p></blockquote><p>In February 2021, Olivier Blanchard, another prominent macroeconomist, <a href="https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/defense-concerns-over-19-trillion-relief-plan">wrote a detailed argument</a> that the Biden administration was spending too much on Covid relief with the American Rescue Plan, and that this would generate a surge of inflation. The argument included a simple model whose predictions ended up being close to what actually happened.</p><p>Other economists pushed back hard against Blanchard and Summers, arguing that inflation was due to transitory factors, and that it was important to keep spending in order to preserve full employment. One of these was Paul Krugman, who <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/opinion/inflation-economy-2021.html">declared himself</a> &#8220;a card-carrying member of Team Transitory&#8221; &#8212; &#8220;Team Transitory&#8221; being those who thought inflation was mostly due to pandemic disruptions and would fade on its own. There was even <a href="https://bcf.princeton.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Webinar-Transcript-2.pdf">a live debate</a> between Krugman and Summers in early 2022. But by late 2022, Krugman <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/paul-krugman-inflation.html">issued a mea culpa</a>, and admitted that Biden&#8217;s American Rescue Plan had exacerbated inflation:</p><blockquote><p>In early 2021 there was an intense debate among economists about the likely consequences of the American Rescue Plan, the $1.9 trillion package enacted by a new Democratic president and a (barely) Democratic Congress. Some warned that the package would be dangerously inflationary; others were fairly relaxed. I was Team Relaxed. As it turned out, of course, that was a very bad call.</p></blockquote><p>Economic <a href="https://www.chicagofed.org/publications/chicago-fed-letter/2021/453">analyses</a> of <a href="https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/economic-letter/2022/03/why-is-us-inflation-higher-than-in-other-countries/">the inflation surge</a> of 2021-22 generally <a href="https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/economic-letter/2021/10/is-american-rescue-plan-taking-us-back-to-1960s/">assign</a> the American Rescue Plan <a href="https://www.clevelandfed.org/publications/economic-commentary/2023/ec-202308-impacts-supply-chain-disruptions-on-inflation">some share</a> of the <a href="https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/economic-letter/2022/06/how-much-do-supply-and-demand-drive-inflation/">blame</a>.</p><p>Ignoring Summers&#8217; warnings, and believing Team Transitory, might have cost the Democrats the 2024 election. I&#8217;m no political scientist, but there are reasons to believe that the burst of high inflation in 2021-22 was one factor in Kamala Harris&#8217; loss.</p><h4><strong>Why inflation probably mattered in this election</strong></h4><p>The first reason we should think inflation mattered is that people pretty consistently <em>said</em> it mattered. On Gallup&#8217;s long-running &#8220;most important problem&#8221; survey, inflation consistently ranked as the most important specific economic problem that people mentioned, right behind &#8220;economy in general&#8221;.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!70uU!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F77c1eed1-f2dd-495b-8ff8-6e41da568eb7_852x788.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!70uU!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F77c1eed1-f2dd-495b-8ff8-6e41da568eb7_852x788.jpeg 424w, 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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx">Gallup</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>A lot of other <a href="https://www.bankrate.com/personal-finance/2024-election-and-the-economy-survey/">surveys</a> showed <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/economy-election-november-5-voters-harris-trump-inflation-wages-immigration/">similar results</a>. And the percentage of people who told Gallup that the economy was &#8220;extremely important&#8221; to their presidential vote was unusually high &#8212; almost as high as in 2008, when the financial crisis had just devastated the U.S. economy:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg" width="694" height="416.88758782201404" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:513,&quot;width&quot;:854,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:694,&quot;bytes&quot;:75420,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ncO0!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbfd7aaf2-f33d-4379-adce-e0522ff38e68_854x513.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/651719/economy-important-issue-2024-presidential-vote.aspx">Gallup</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And of course <a href="https://www.axios.com/2024/10/29/michigan-consumer-sentiment-index">consumer sentiment was pretty low</a>, even after adjusting for changes in methodology:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg" width="684" height="405.02211302211305" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:482,&quot;width&quot;:814,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:684,&quot;bytes&quot;:59520,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IT1F!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2e79dd3a-d0b5-4cdd-9ac8-2f4dfcd8c865_814x482.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.axios.com/2024/10/29/michigan-consumer-sentiment-index">Axios</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Now, it&#8217;s <em>possible</em> that this was mostly just Republicans complaining about inflation because it felt more substantive than talking only about more social/cultural grievances like wokeness, immigration, trans stuff, etc. After all, opinion on the economy <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/briefing/economy-inflation-housing.html">shows a very partisan pattern</a> depending on who&#8217;s in the White House:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg" width="612" height="520.2" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:765,&quot;width&quot;:900,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:612,&quot;bytes&quot;:92491,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wb4n!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd0cdeaf3-99fd-4eb6-89e2-c364a99abb20_900x765.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/briefing/economy-inflation-housing.html">NYT</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>It&#8217;s a pretty good bet that Republicans will suddenly &#8220;discover&#8221; that inflation in America is actually low now, and give Trump the credit.</p><p>But if you look historically and across countries, it really looks like inflation tends to make voters particularly mad. <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w33068">Research often finds</a> that cumulative inflation over a President&#8217;s term in office &#8212; not just the current inflation rate &#8212; affects presidential approval and election performance. If you look at Gallup&#8217;s long-running survey, you&#8217;ll see that the inflation of the 1970s dominated Americans&#8217; complaints even more than the unemployment of the Volcker recessions in the early 80s, or the recession of the early 90s:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg" width="564" height="257" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:257,&quot;width&quot;:564,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:46128,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bOP2!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7a7a99e-2aa7-45b9-92ff-a15ae7fb42f7_564x257.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" 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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/113041/economy-entrenched-nations-most-important-problem.aspx">Gallup</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And if you look at other countries, you&#8217;ll see that governing parties in <em>every other rich country</em> have seen their vote shares go down this year:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ydim!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ydim!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ydim!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ydim!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ydim!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ydim!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg" width="654" height="467.97333333333336" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/ea533b5c-9a2e-4b85-bf6a-2a0045a3b7c8_900x644.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:644,&quot;width&quot;:900,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:654,&quot;bytes&quot;:92123,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1854485866548195735">John Burn-Murdoch</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>There are relatively few factors that are affecting all rich countries at the same time. A <a href="https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1854485874194444647">backlash over immigration</a> is another possible common factor, but the list is basically just that plus inflation.</p><p>On top of that, there was a model that predicted the election outcome quite well. An interdisciplinary team of researchers <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/90DA5291682CEA6BDA943208C0E7E649/S1049096524000994a.pdf/understanding-bidens-exit-and-the-2024-election-the-state-presidential-approvalstate-economy-model.pdf">created a model</a> based on presidential approval ratings and economic conditions in each state, and they ended up predicting each state correctly:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg" width="600" height="500" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:720,&quot;width&quot;:864,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:600,&quot;bytes&quot;:183595,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!emIf!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14d3e447-02fb-449e-a464-9226b996a64a_864x720.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/90DA5291682CEA6BDA943208C0E7E649/S1049096524000994a.pdf/understanding-bidens-exit-and-the-2024-election-the-state-presidential-approvalstate-economy-model.pdf">Enns et al. (2024)</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>It might be a fluke, but the same model got only one state wrong in 2020 (Georgia), so that&#8217;s pretty encouraging. In any case, the model relies partly on economic fundamentals &#8212; measures of the labor market and real wages. And real wages depend on inflation. So since labor markets are generally very strong all across America, the erosion of state-level wages by inflation is going to be the main <em>economic</em> factor that led this model to forecast a Trump victory.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a></p><p>So I think it&#8217;s safe to say that while it&#8217;s possible inflation mattered <em>less</em> for Trump&#8217;s victory than people say on polls, it did matter at least somewhat.</p><h4><strong>Why inflation makes voters even angrier than unemployment</strong></h4><p>Let&#8217;s talk a little about macroeconomics for a second. Most <a href="https://sites.nd.edu/esims/files/2023/04/SWZ_restat.pdf">mainstream macroeconomic models</a> assume that there&#8217;s some sort of short-term tradeoff between inflation and unemployment. If the Fed lowers interest rates or does quantitative easing or otherwise prints money, the general consensus is that unemployment will go down and inflation will go up. Similarly, if the government borrows and spends money and the Fed doesn&#8217;t counteract this by raising interest rates, the general consensus is that you&#8217;ll get faster growth, more jobs, and rising prices.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><p>Macroeconomic policy then becomes a question of how to <em>strike the right balance</em>. We want everyone to have a job. We don&#8217;t want inflation to go about 2%. But if we have to choose between these two things, how do we choose? In economic models, the relative degree that policymakers should care about inflation versus unemployment is determined by a social welfare function &#8212; basically, how much each of these economic ills makes regular people unhappy. A lot of economic research is dedicated to figuring out what that welfare function, and there&#8217;s not really a consensus.</p><p>But the experiences of the 1970s and the 2020s are teaching us that in America at least, people seem to get even madder about inflation than they do about unemployment. And the question is why. I actually wrote a post about this back in March of 2021, shortly after the American Rescue Plan was passed:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;a5813ace-1872-43fd-9095-7c1a8b55ed95&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;I don&#8217;t think we should be panicking about inflation yet. But as the topic starts to reenter mainstream discussion, it&#8217;s worth asking: Why do we even care about inflation in the first place?&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Why do people hate inflation?&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2021-05-26T05:36:27.303Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QFe4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fecbb98b1-d87f-44bd-9983-559a19aed689_1168x450.png&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-do-people-hate-inflation&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:36833806,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:61,&quot;comment_count&quot;:54,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The basic story here comes from <a href="https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c8881/c8881.pdf">a survey Robert Shiller did in 1990</a>. Basically, inflation tends to make people&#8217;s purchasing power go down, because their wages can&#8217;t keep up.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-6" href="#footnote-6" target="_self">6</a> This makes people poorer, and people do not like to be poorer.</p><p>The inflation of 2021-22 definitely made people poorer. In fact, the drop in real personal disposable income from mid-2021 to mid-2022 was more severe than the Great Recession or the 1970s inflation!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-7" href="#footnote-7" target="_self">7</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Svq3!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe25d61c8-364c-4317-885d-f99d4cf03848_1320x450.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Svq3!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe25d61c8-364c-4317-885d-f99d4cf03848_1320x450.jpeg 424w, 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In 2021 and 2022, Americans&#8217; real wages suffered their biggest drop in postwar history, thanks to inflation<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-8" href="#footnote-8" target="_self">8</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JT60!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda80a1da-957c-4f1b-bf3e-3867a9e02661_1320x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JT60!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fda80a1da-957c-4f1b-bf3e-3867a9e02661_1320x450.png 424w, 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People really don&#8217;t like it when their real wages go down!</p><p>One key thing to understand is that this sudden impoverishment <em>happened to most Americans</em>. Rising consumer prices affect everyone, from the rich to the poor, the employed and the unemployed, the old and the young.</p><p>In a recession, on the other hand, the negative effects are largely <em>concentrated</em>. If you&#8217;re one of the unlucky people who loses their job, you take a huge hit. But if you&#8217;re not one of those people, you probably do OK. Maybe your wages grow more slowly for a few years, and maybe you have to stress out about the increased possibility of being laid off. But in general, the harms of inflation are <em>diffuse</em> while the harms of unemployment are concentrated.</p><p>If you&#8217;re a moral philosopher, an activist, or an economist estimating a social welfare function, you may prefer harming a lot of people a little bit with inflation to harming a few people a lot with unemployment. But a democracy doesn&#8217;t vote based on social welfare. It&#8217;s one person, one vote. So if unemployment harms 10 million people a lot, and inflation harms 200 million people by a moderate amount, it&#8217;s clear that inflation will directly harm a <em>much larger number of voters</em>.</p><p>The social welfare function and the &#8220;get your butt kicked in an election&#8221; function are two very different things.</p><p>I actually suspect that there are other reasons why inflation bothers voters even more than unemployment. Inflation is something that&#8217;s obviously beyond an individual&#8217;s control &#8212; if the price of eggs goes up, you can choose not to buy eggs, but otherwise there&#8217;s not much you can do. But unemployment is something that individuals do exercise some degree of control over &#8212; if you work a bunch of extra hours during a recession and establish a good relationship with your boss, maybe you can avoid getting laid off.</p><p>In general, I think people are less worried about risks they have some control over, even if the overall level of danger is higher. Look at how people are more afraid to fly than to take long road trips, despite road trips being much deadlier per mile. The leading theory is that in a car you have some control over your safety, while in a plane you have basically zero control. Similarly, I suspect that inflation makes people feel powerless, like being stuck in a crashing airplane.</p><p>In any case, this is probably an important area for survey research to explore. But in the meantime, Democrats need to remember that full employment doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean an economy that Americans are happy with. If it comes at the expense of rapid inflation, that price is going to be one that most Americans aren&#8217;t comfortable paying.</p><h4><strong>Democrats should be wary of macro-progressivism going forward</strong></h4><p>I&#8217;d like to say a little more about the debate over the American Rescue Plan in 2021. While Paul Krugman and Larry Summers viewed their argument in purely technical terms, some economists and commentators did come at the debate from an ideological angle. In general, spending more was considered the progressive position, while spending less in order to avoid high inflation was considered more centrist or moderate.</p><p>This makes sense &#8212; full employment disproportionately benefits the least well-off in society. The lowest-paid workers are often the first to be fired in a recession and the last to be hired in an expansion, so the longer you can keep an expansion going, the more poor people can have jobs. Also, full employment tends to push up wages, especially at the lower end of the scale &#8212; in fact, even as most Americans lost purchasing power during the inflation of 2021-22, the bottom 10% of American workers actually <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010">saw their real wages rise</a>.</p><p>This July, I wrote about how some influential progressive think tanks basically push for full employment all the time, and downplay worries about inflation:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;15f14294-6456-4f7e-950a-a31713070d6d&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Matt Yglesias has a very interesting series of posts about &#8220;neoliberalism&#8221; and the American progressives who want to replace it. In the first post, he argues that the neoliberal policy revolution was much less sweeping and extensive than lots of progressives seem to think (&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The new progressive economics: some constructive criticism&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2024-07-29T09:14:32.546Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mKOw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F09dc9410-6838-43e7-97e6-a230e5e66310_1148x899.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-new-progressive-economics-some&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:147113764,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:219,&quot;comment_count&quot;:69,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>Some progressive economics commentators &#8212; I will not name names, because I&#8217;m trying to be a less confrontational blogger these days &#8212; also consistently downplayed the risks of inflation and extolled the many benefits of full employment during Biden&#8217;s tenure in office.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-9" href="#footnote-9" target="_self">9</a></p><p>In retrospect, whether or not this was a good move from a moral standpoint, it looks like a big mistake from an <em>electoral</em> standpoint.</p><p>I hope that these commentators are reevaluating their beliefs. And I hope that Democratic politicians, staffers, and donors are reevaluating the paradigm as well. Full employment is great, all things equal. But sometimes the price of full employment is too high &#8212; not just for the majority of Americans who have to endure years of erosion in their purchasing power, but for everyone who has to suffer from the election of leaders like Donald Trump.</p><p><strong>Update</strong>: Good to see some left-leaning economists quickly coming to the same conclusions.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg" width="910" height="330" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:330,&quot;width&quot;:910,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:91013,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UDXN!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5c0beb29-890f-46eb-99ad-f35dbaaf8d43_910x330.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Our task now is to get the ear of Democratic politicians, which will probably require wresting it away from some progressive think tanks and Twitter posters.</p><div><hr></div><h2><strong>The educated professional class is out of touch with America</strong></h2><p>I&#8217;ve been writing about the lessons that Democrats should take away from the big GOP victory. I&#8217;ve written about how <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/identity-politics-isnt-working">identity politics is failing to attract Hispanic voters</a>, and about how Dems <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-hate-inflation-more-than">cared too much about employment and not enough about inflation</a>. The third big lesson, I think, is about class in America. The educated professional class is drifting away from the rest of the country, in terms of values, beliefs, and their information diet.</p><p>This election upended a lot of demographic trends that people had been very certain about only a few years ago. Trump seems to have produced a large-scale shift of Hispanic voters to the Republicans, and big cities swung harder toward the GOP than other areas. But there&#8217;s one key trend that this election <em>didn&#8217;t</em> reverse: education polarization. Trump was <a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-key-coalitions-coalitions-ap-votecast-ce3d9fc91beae8d3647efd6d5e08b1d8">even </a><em><a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-key-coalitions-coalitions-ap-votecast-ce3d9fc91beae8d3647efd6d5e08b1d8">more</a></em><a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-key-coalitions-coalitions-ap-votecast-ce3d9fc91beae8d3647efd6d5e08b1d8"> dominant</a> among non-college voters than he was in the last two elections, while Harris won the highly educated by about as much as Biden did.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg" width="672" height="323.3207547169811" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:357,&quot;width&quot;:742,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:672,&quot;bytes&quot;:56842,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!01yr!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6e070bab-c4a2-4031-ab78-9595cc847180_742x357.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-key-coalitions-coalitions-ap-votecast-ce3d9fc91beae8d3647efd6d5e08b1d8">Associated Press</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Over the years, the Democratic base has shifted decisively from the working class to the educated professional class:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg" width="670" height="376.68888888888887" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:506,&quot;width&quot;:900,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:670,&quot;bytes&quot;:72444,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kZmU!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd052dcb7-032a-413b-99e7-1dcde74a6c80_900x506.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/patrickjfl/status/1854645395856482568">Patrick Flynn</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This shift doomed Harris&#8217; campaign, since people without college degrees outnumber their college-educated counterparts &#8212; in 2024, the latter were only <a href="https://www.axios.com/2024/11/07/college-degree-voters-split-harris-trump">43% of the electorate</a>.</p><p>And this weakness looks likely to be a long-term problem. In the past, when college education was steadily increasing, it was easy to think that college-educated voters would own the future. But in recent years, the rate of college enrollment has plateaued and begun to fall:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg" width="694" height="515.642" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l3Ol!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bd0af7a-e214-4437-922d-b667f68ebf0a_1000x743.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/236093/higher-education-enrollment-rates-by-age-group-us/">Statista</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And the number of new college graduates <a href="https://educationdata.org/number-of-college-graduates">fell in 2022</a>, even as America&#8217;s <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/POPTOTUSA647NWDB">total population grew</a>.</p><p>As for why fewer Americans are getting a college education, I wrote a post about this back in July:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;f3f1ebe7-e8f5-4d75-a41f-f59e8bd56343&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;I remember, when I graduated, there was this guy I knew who was very disappointed with his university experience &#8212; so disappointed that he made us all listen to a poem he wrote about it. The poem was very bad (yes, it rhymed &#8220;knowledge&#8221; with &#8220;college&#8221;). Afterwards, I said to him &#8220;Man, I think you just expected too much out o&#8230;&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Americans are falling out of love with the idea of college&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2023-07-27T09:23:55.779Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ahwt!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4c75bdb1-55fe-478e-99f5-fc747bb759e5_1200x800.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/americans-are-falling-out-of-love&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:135478797,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:208,&quot;comment_count&quot;:120,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>The short version is that tuition soared even as the earnings boost from a college degree shrank substantially, making college a less attractive value proposition. A lot of this had to do with colleges themselves boosting spending on administrators and facilities, and having to charge students more to pay for it.</p><p>If universities cut costs, cut tuition, and raised their value proposition, we could see enrollment rise again at some point, but I wouldn&#8217;t bet on that happening soon. Meanwhile, socialists&#8217; plan for universal free college is dead on arrival; even Biden&#8217;s generous new student loan repayment provisions might prove to be temporary, since <a href="https://www.simonmongey.com/uploads/6/5/6/6/65665741/luo_mongey_student_debt_2024.pdf">the fiscal cost is so huge</a>. So a wave of taxpayer cash is not going to restore the trend of rising educational attainment.</p><p>In other words, Democrats&#8217; education problem is here to stay. Unless Dems can figure out how to win back those non-college voters, they&#8217;re likely to be at a huge electoral disadvantage for the foreseeable future.</p><p>But winning back those voters would require the educated professional types who make up the backbone of the Democratic base and the progressive movement to figure out how to connect rhetorically with the less-educated masses, addressing their concerns, speaking to their values, and just speaking their language in general. And although it&#8217;s too early to tell, many of the reactions I&#8217;m seeing on social media are, to put it mildly, very unencouraging:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ymAD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe29f0313-c569-42dc-834d-5453c6824d26_1080x1011.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ymAD!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe29f0313-c569-42dc-834d-5453c6824d26_1080x1011.jpeg 424w, 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Practically every problem that Trump voters cited is something that hits the working class harder than the professional class.</p><p>About a year ago, I found a really good place to get a haircut. The hairstylist, a Vietnamese immigrant woman in her 50s, was complaining about rampant theft from small businesses in the neighborhood. She said that if thieves stole less than $950, they wouldn&#8217;t even be arrested or prosecuted, creating an incentive for constant theft.</p><p>In fact, stealing less than $950 was still a crime, but there was a plebiscite in 2014 called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47">Proposition 47</a> that changed it from a felony to a misdemeanor. (Prop 47 was <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/05/california-prop-36-results">mostly repealed this year</a>, when California voters passed another ballot measure called Prop 36.) I&#8217;m not sure how big of a factor Prop 47 was, but for whatever reason, property crime in San Francisco did rise quite a lot in the late 2010s:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg" width="384" height="418" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:418,&quot;width&quot;:384,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:34558,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!c0QE!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9fa5afb-e7fd-40f9-a3cc-dd1357d1ca46_384x418.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/02/16/property-crime-rates-test-san-franciscans-values">The Economist</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This mirrored a more general rise across the state<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-10" href="#footnote-10" target="_self">10</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg" width="714" height="350.5996015936255" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/feb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:493,&quot;width&quot;:1004,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:714,&quot;bytes&quot;:65049,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LhHZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffeb531a9-6d33-4ba3-8365-edd04229722d_1004x493.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.ppic.org/blog/retail-theft-and-robbery-rates-have-risen-across-california/">Public Policy Institute of California</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>I am an educated professional, not a small local businessperson. I had heard about the big wave of car break-ins in San Francisco, but it took me a very long time to realize how common retail theft had become. To me, <a href="https://abc7news.com/retail-theft-smash-and-grab-looting-meaning-bay-area/11263189/">the wave of smash-and-grab attacks</a> in the Bay Area was a sign of urban disorder and decay, and a force causing <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/10/23/what-happened-to-san-francisco-really">a bunch of downtown stores to close</a>.</p><p>But to someone who owns a hair salon that gets robbed, or a convenience store that gets looted, <em>that&#8217;s their livelihood</em>. That could be their child&#8217;s ticket to college, or their ability to get the pipes fixed at their house, or their chance to get their car fixed. As an educated professional, I&#8217;m simply much less exposed to robbery and theft.</p><p>And on top of that, I&#8217;m an <em>urban</em> educated professional. Those who live out in the fancy suburbs are even more disconnected from the crime wave that afflicted America in 2020 and 2021. It&#8217;s lower-earning people in cities or poorer neighborhoods who bore the brunt of the explosion of disorder that followed in the wake of the Floyd protests.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-11" href="#footnote-11" target="_self">11</a></p><p>Stuff like &#8220;defund the police&#8221; is a luxury of the rich and mobile &#8212; i.e., of the educated professional class. It&#8217;s lower-income Americans and small business owners who need the police the most.</p><p>How about inflation? When defending the Biden economy, I often point out that real wages for people in the lower part of the distribution <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010">increased faster</a>. That&#8217;s adjusted for inflation, but it&#8217;s adjusted for the overall <em>state-level</em> inflation rate. In fact, as the Minneapolis Fed&#8217;s Jeff Horwich <a href="https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2024/lower-income-higher-inflation-new-data-bring-answers-at-last">explains</a>, people who make less money have faced higher price increases since 2021, for two reasons. First, the things that lower-income and middle-income people spend a larger percent of their income on &#8212; especially housing &#8212; tended to go up in price a bit more:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg" width="662" height="435.40020682523266" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/df534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:636,&quot;width&quot;:967,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:662,&quot;bytes&quot;:80548,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hVhK!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdf534a74-0781-459f-9337-cebf95cc0e4c_967x636.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2024/lower-income-higher-inflation-new-data-bring-answers-at-last">Minneapolis Fed</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The second reason is pretty obvious: Having less money makes drops in purchasing power harder to bear. If my cost of living went up by 10%, it would be a minor annoyance; to a working-class person that could very well be ruinous. No wonder lower-income people tend to notice price changes more:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg" width="676" height="458.00651465798046" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:624,&quot;width&quot;:921,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:676,&quot;bytes&quot;:104131,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!wXmI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa9222a71-e8d9-480b-97ea-54eed705be08_921x624.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2024/lower-income-higher-inflation-new-data-bring-answers-at-last">Minneapolis Fed</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>So while educated professionals like myself were able to put the post-pandemic inflation behind us fairly quickly after it subsided in 2023, regular Americans probably felt a more lingering hurt.</p><p>How about the wave of asylum seekers that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/on-immigration-what-americans-want">flooded across the border</a> in the Biden years? Lower-skilled immigrants <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-immigration-doesnt-reduce-wages">don&#8217;t actually tend to reduce wages</a> for native-born working-class Americans. But a big part of the reason they don&#8217;t reduce wages is that native-born people respond to increased immigration <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w32389">by going back to school</a> and climbing the skill ladder. That takes time and money.</p><p>Also, low-skilled immigrants directly compete with less-educated and lower-earning Americans for <em>housing</em>. Asylum seekers tend to be poor, meaning they will try to get apartments and houses in lower-income neighborhoods. The effect on local rents in those neighborhoods, and for those types of housing, will be greater than the overall citywide or statewide effect. Rent will go up for the American working class, differentially affecting their purchasing power in ways that don&#8217;t get captured by state-level or national statistics.</p><p>So although Biden <em>did</em> beat inflation, crime <em>did</em> go down, and Biden <em>did</em> eventually crack down on the border, I can understand why the traumas that working-class Americans had to suffer in 2020-2022 couldn&#8217;t be expunged just by some encouraging charts. And the fact that educated professionals were much more insulated from the disruptions of the pandemic and from Biden&#8217;s missteps in 2021 mean that they didn&#8217;t necessarily even see the need to acknowledge how hard these had been on everyone else.</p><p>This disconnect probably ended up alienating people without college degrees. Not only did it cause many progressives to support deeply unpopular things like &#8220;defund the police&#8221; on social media, but Democratic politicians who became used to talking to their educated progressive base probably got a distorted idea of what was troubling the rest of America.</p><h4><strong>An information disconnect</strong></h4><p>I was taking an Uber with a friend a couple of weeks ago, and the driver went on a gigantic rant about how inflation is out of control, vaccines are ineffective and are causing all kinds of massive health problems, there are no jobs anymore, and so on. Listening to his rant drove home the fact that there are huge segments of the American populace that I&#8217;m just completely out of touch with.</p><p>Almost all of what he said was factually wrong, of course. Inflation is back down to a low level, and <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL">has been for years now</a>. Employment is <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS12300060">near all-time highs</a>. Vaccines are safe and effective, and so on. But the fact that he believed in all of this stuff is a sign that there&#8217;s an information ecosystem out there that&#8217;s totally separate from the world of blogs and Washington Post articles and nerdy podcasts and Econ Twitter that comprises my own information diet.</p><p>In fact, this information disconnect is probably one reason why Trump won. Voters who knew about the positive data that I know about &#8212; and which I frequently talked about on this blog &#8212; went very strongly for Harris, while voters who had the same misapprehensions as my Uber driver went pretty strongly for Trump:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg" width="676" height="368.0444444444444" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:637,&quot;width&quot;:1170,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:676,&quot;bytes&quot;:158298,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!21ts!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0a927ac3-bd14-449e-b2a3-062aa0c651f6_1170x637.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/latest-us-opinion-polls">Ipsos</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Now, people may simply be bullshitting on these polls &#8212; there&#8217;s research that shows that when you pay people to get these facts right, <a href="https://johnbullock.org/papers/partisanBiasInFactualBeliefs.pdf">they tend to get them right</a>. Saying &#8220;inflation is still high&#8221; <a href="https://x.com/AliceFromQueens/status/1855463919940427874">might just be</a> a way of saying &#8220;I like Trump&#8221;.</p><p>Also, note that all four of these questions are specifically phrased in such a way that the correct answer says something positive about Joe Biden&#8217;s tenure in office. If the questions had been things like &#8220;Overall, murder rates were higher under Biden than under Trump (True)&#8221;, or &#8220;Inflation in the U.S. since 2021 has been the highest of any four-year period since the 1970s (True)&#8221;, or &#8220;Since 2021, unauthorized border crossings have been higher than at any point since the early 2000s (True)&#8221;, it might have been Democrats getting the facts wrong instead of Republicans. (We&#8217;ll never know, of course, but Democrats do tend to show <a href="https://johnbullock.org/papers/partisanBiasInFactualBeliefs.pdf">partisan bias</a> on economic surveys.)</p><p>But it also seems likely that many of these less-educated Trump voters just don&#8217;t get nearly as much information about politics, economics, and public affairs. Highly educated folks <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/news-platform-fact-sheet/#who-uses-each-news-platform?tabItem=85f41328-b7d7-40b8-9b2d-7b06ff4201dc">consume a lot more news in general</a>. And people who consume a lot more political news tended to vote for Harris:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg" width="674" height="340.6710239651416" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:464,&quot;width&quot;:918,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:674,&quot;bytes&quot;:61201,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!w5Mq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6d5af700-5545-4d53-ac51-4020c4fa04c3_918x464.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And when they do consume news, it&#8217;s <a href="https://x.com/scottsantens/status/1855652247851479340">likely to be from different sources</a>. Many election postmortems have focused on the fact that Joe Rogan, a popular podcast host with many blue-collar fans, interviewed both Donald Trump and JD Vance during the campaign, but not Kamala Harris or Tim Walz. Joe Rogan&#8217;s podcast has <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Joe_Rogan_Experience">18 million subscribers</a>. In comparison, Fox News, the most popular cable news network, has <a href="https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/cable-news-ratings-september-2024/">somewhere around 2 million</a> primetime viewers.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-12" href="#footnote-12" target="_self">12</a> Meanwhile, Barstool Sports, another news outlet that&#8217;s popular with blue-collar types, <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/07/politics/video/dave-portnoy-trump-democrats-axelrod-digvid">went solidly for Trump</a> and reportedly refused Harris&#8217; offer for an interview.</p><p>In other words, Democrats are still doing a good job of getting their message to educated Americans who consume lots of political news, but are increasingly failing to reach the non-college masses. That&#8217;s why listening to an Uber driver talk about politics can seem like meeting someone from another universe.</p><p>This is not to say that educated progressives get the facts right, while blue-collar conservatives get them wrong. In fact, highly educated progressives can talk themselves into believing some absolutely insane things. During the summer of 2020, a lawyer friend insisted to me that the institution of police <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police">grew out of the institution of American slavery</a> (obviously wrong, since police emerged independently all over the world). A number of progressives also asserted to me that police don&#8217;t reduce crime (<a href="https://www.vox.com/22580710/defund-the-police-reform-murder-spike-research-evidence">false</a>). The oft-repeated progressive claim that <a href="https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1854253423467831522">slaves built America</a> is also obviously false, since slaves were less than 10% of the population. A few educated progressives even <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/politicized-science-inevitably-tends">fiercely defend intentional fabrication of results</a> in the social sciences, on political grounds.</p><p>But whatever the various myths are on the left and right, they are <em>different</em> myths. And because educated professionals swim in entirely different information ecosystems, they have little clue how to reach the masses and tell their side of the story.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-13" href="#footnote-13" target="_self">13</a></p><h4><strong>Why did the class disconnect come about, and how can we reduce it?</strong></h4><p><em>&#8220;Her belly may be full, but her spirit will be empty.&#8221; &#8212; Jean-Luc Picard</em></p><p>The educated professional class has been growing apart from America&#8217;s other social classes for decades now. Part of this was due to the big shift in the U.S. economy &#8212; the rise of knowledge industries like IT, finance, biopharma, and business services pulled America&#8217;s talented people to coastal metros and college towns. As the economist Enrico Moretti showed in his excellent book <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/New-Geography-Jobs-Enrico-Moretti/dp/0544028058">The New Geography of Jobs</a></em>, a city&#8217;s human capital &#8212; i.e., how many educated professionals live there &#8212; became the best predictor not only of economic success, but also various measures of public health and well-being.</p><p>For those with the talent to escape the bleakness of their hometowns, big cities like New York, San Francisco, and Minneapolis &#8212; or college towns like Ann Arbor, Madison, and Berkeley &#8212; became magical playgrounds, full of great restaurants and shops and bars, other educated professionals to date and marry, and plenty of money to be made. I was one of the people who made that escape.</p><p>But what happened to the places the talented people <a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/15/15757708/hometown-stay-leave">left behind</a>? Bereft of their talent in an age when talent equals money, they stagnated economically &#8212; counties that voted for Biden in 2020 represented just over half of the electorate, but <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/">70% of America&#8217;s total GDP</a>. And without as many talented people to be local doctors, teachers, etc., those places <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w12352">saw their health deteriorate</a> &#8212; drug use and obesity ran rampant. Even the well-documented decline of marriage among the less-educated could be partially due to talented professionals fleeing the area &#8212; without as many visible examples of economically successful educated people <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/14/as-u-s-marriage-rate-hovers-at-50-education-gap-in-marital-status-widens/">getting married</a> and <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/12/04/education-and-marriage/">staying married</a> and raising kids in two-parent families, some working-class people in left-behind towns may have simply abandoned the practice.</p><p>This is the first reason for the disconnect. The second, I think, was institutional. In earlier times, there were a number of institutions that regularly brought people together across social classes &#8212; the three main examples being churches, businesses, and the military. But after Vietnam, the U.S. Military shifted from a mass-participatory conscript force to an elite professional volunteer force. Business became increasingly fragmented, with much blue-collar work and low-level service work outsourced or automated. And church membership has declined<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-14" href="#footnote-14" target="_self">14</a> in America, possibly as a result of the internet:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!seIH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F19e6e8e1-40cc-4ead-92c9-0cb13c348642_720x395.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!seIH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F19e6e8e1-40cc-4ead-92c9-0cb13c348642_720x395.jpeg 424w, 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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx">Gallup</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Combine this with the de-localization of American social life due to the car and the internet, and you have a recipe for extreme <em>sorting</em>. As Tyler Cowen writes in his book <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Complacent-Class-Self-Defeating-Quest-American/dp/1250108691">The Complacent Class</a></em>, Americans have become increasingly expert at sorting themselves according to education, income, and other characteristics.</p><p>There was one public institution that managed to retain its broad functionality over this time period: <em>College</em>. American universities tried hard to recruit and mix people of diverse backgrounds, teach them healthy personal and social habits, and provide them with a rich community life that could be a model for their later adult communities. And to a large degree, this worked.</p><p>But it only worked for 40% of the population! The majority of Americans lacked the talent, the study habits, the inclination, the time, or (eventually) the money to get that four-year degree. So for that lucky 40%, colleges were church and army and work team all in one &#8212; an acceptable substitute for the tight-knit villages that the modern economy of the car and the internet had destroyed.</p><p>For the rest of the country there was nothing. There were daytime TV and televangelists and methamphetamine and conspiracy theories. There were strip-malls and NASCAR and hip-hop and Marvel movies. There were Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage. There was plenty of cheap land, big houses, cheap cars, and jobs in the vast service sector. But their upper caste had fled them for the playgrounds of college and the big city and the Google cafeteria.</p><p>But they were still part of the same country as the educated professionals. And so they all still voted in the same elections. So one day Donald Trump came along, and the classes were reunited by the institution of electoral democracy, in a very unpleasant and painful way.</p><p>After this crushing defeat, many educated progressives will turn to the idea of <a href="https://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1855616265261367515">Bernie Sanders-style &#8220;class&#8221; politics</a> as an alternative to <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/identity-politics-isnt-working">the identity politics</a> that failed so spectacularly. But this won&#8217;t work either.</p><p>First of all, Bernie himself <a href="https://x.com/DKThomp/status/1854920696968724873">underperformed Kamala Harris</a> in this year&#8217;s election. Second, and more importantly, Biden has been the most <a href="https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/05/bidens-labor-report-card-historian-gives-union-joe-higher-grade-any-president-fdr/397002/">pro-labor, pro-union President</a> in many decades, and it availed the Democrats nothing. Biden <a href="https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20240423-0">raised overtime pay</a>, <a href="https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/8-ways-the-biden-administration-has-fought-for-working-people-by-strengthening-unions/">strengthened unions</a> with various new laws, revived factory construction with industrial policy, mandated the hiring of union workforces for federal contracts, became the first President to walk a picket line, funded vocational education and apprenticeships, banned noncompete clauses, and took dozens of other actions in support of the blue-collar working class.</p><p>Wages rose strongly for the working class, and inequality fell. Biden also enacted a lot of Bernie-style policies &#8212; canceling student debt, passing a huge climate bill, and increasing subsidies for health care.</p><p>And none of it helped Kamala Harris. The Teamsters union <a href="https://teamster.org/2024/09/teamsters-no-endorsement-for-u-s-president/">withheld their endorsement</a>. The East Coast dockworkers&#8217; union <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/make-work-is-not-the-future-of-work">threatened a crippling strike</a> just weeks before the election. All across the nation, steelworkers and other blue-collar union workers defied their leaders and <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/07/trump-inroads-union-workers-pennsylvania/75962349007/">organized in support of Donald Trump</a>. Harris did win <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/exit-polls-2024-election/">a slim majority</a> of the union vote, but this probably came mostly from educated professional types, especially public unions.</p><p>The fact is, America just isn&#8217;t the industrial society it was in the 1950s. The broad blue-collar manufacturing laborer class is a thing of the past, and the fragments of that class that remain are often more focused on sociocultural issues than on pure pocketbook concerns. Most of the American non-college populace are non-unionized suburban service workers with no real class consciousness.</p><p>America, fundamentally, is an incredibly rich country with a sick society. We have <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household_final_consumption_expenditure_per_capita">higher consumption by far</a> than people in any other country on the planet, and yet by and large, except for the few people who were lucky enough to receive the blessings of community and health from our one remaining functional institution, we&#8217;re a bunch of unhealthy socially isolated drug addicts.</p><p>As for the solution to all this, I don&#8217;t have an easy fix. In the long run our country needs to build new inclusive institutions &#8212; places where society&#8217;s classes mingle and cooperate. I don&#8217;t know what those can be, though of course I&#8217;ll think about the problem. But it will take a long time. Obviously, YIMBY policies that allow working-class people to live in big cities will help a bit, by putting the various classes in physical proximity, but without integrating institutions the effect will be marginal.</p><p>Nor do the <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/understanding-the-new-tech-right">educated right-wing professionals</a> in the tech industry understand their new working-class political allies any better than the progressives do. Beyond helping to elect Donald Trump and annoy educated progressives, they don&#8217;t really have any plans to help those who lack the talent to work at SpaceX.</p><p>In the short term, what Democrats can do is to realize the extent of the problem, and begin doing everything they can to explore the culture and the information ecosystem of Americans who didn&#8217;t go to college. Get interviewed on Rogan and Barstool Sports and wherever, but don&#8217;t just get interviewed &#8212; immerse yourself in the culture. Don&#8217;t get your information about regular Americans from the activist groups who knock on your staffers&#8217; doors, or from 20-something socialists who spout stale Marxist theory. Go meet them, find out what they care about, and think about how to give it to them.</p><p>Fixing America&#8217;s great class disconnect will take a long time, but there&#8217;s no better time to start.</p><div><hr></div><h2>The blue cities must be fixed</h2><p>Donald Trump&#8217;s victory in November 2024 wasn&#8217;t the only important election result. Big cities in California shifted away from so-called &#8220;progressive&#8221; governance. In San Francisco, progressive champion Aaron Peskin was soundly defeated in the mayoral race, and his vacated seat was won by a moderate. Peskin&#8217;s close ally, Dean Preston, was unseated by moderate challenger Bilal Mahmood, and the Board of Supervisors is <a href="https://missionlocal.org/2024/11/s-f-board-of-supervisors-poised-to-lose-progressive-majority-for-first-time-in-5-years/">expected to lose</a> its progressive majority. In Los Angeles progressive district attorney George Gasc&#243;n lost his reelection bid, while Oakland&#8217;s Pamela Price was recalled. This followed a <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/politics/soros-das-suffer-12-big-defeats-billionaires-agenda-faces-uncertain-future">national trend</a> of progressive DAs getting the boot; meanwhile, San Francisco&#8217;s moderate DA Brooke Jenkins, who succeeded the notorious Chesa Boudin after the latter was recalled, easily cruised to reelection.</p><p>It&#8217;s possible to interpret these victories as part of a general revolt against progressive governance in big cities. At the local level that&#8217;s a good thing, since that governance has proven remarkably poor. But at the national level, the urban revolt against probably helped usher in another four years of Donald Trump. Although large metros still voted for the Democrats overall, they swung harder towards Trump than any other geographic region:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53w5!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9c6a32c-5c76-4161-bb4a-4ade73b11eff_1456x795.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!53w5!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9c6a32c-5c76-4161-bb4a-4ade73b11eff_1456x795.jpeg 424w, 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21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.slowboring.com/p/breaking-down-the-election-results">Jed Kolko</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Derek Thompson has <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/11/donald-trump-covid-election/680559/">some more numbers</a>:</p><blockquote><p>In the past two cycles, Democrats could comfort themselves by counting on urban counties to continue moving left even as rural areas shifted right. That comfort was dashed last night, at least among counties with more than 90 percent of their results reported. In the New York City metro area, New York County (Manhattan) shifted nine points right, Kings County (Brooklyn) shifted 12 points right, Queens County shifted 21 points right, and Bronx County shifted 22 points right. In Florida, Orange County (Orlando) shifted 10 points right and Miami-Dade shifted 19 points right. In Texas, Harris County (Houston) and Bexar County (San Antonio) both shifted eight points right and Dallas County shifted 10 points right. In and around the &#8220;Blue Wall&#8221; states, Pennsylvania&#8217;s Philadelphia County shifted five points right, Michigan&#8217;s Wayne County (Detroit) shifted nine points right, and Illinois&#8217; Cook County (Chicago) shifted 11 points right.</p></blockquote><p>Josh Barro wrote <a href="https://www.joshbarro.com/p/trump-didnt-deserve-to-win-but-we">an insightful post-election post</a> arguing that big cities&#8217; failure to curb urban disorder, fiscal waste, and soaring housing costs drove their inhabitants away from the Democratic party. Some key excerpts:</p><blockquote><p>I write this to you from New York City, where we are governed by Democrats and we pay the highest taxes in the country, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we receive the best government services. Our transportation agencies are black holes for money, unable to deliver on their capital plans despite repeated increases in the dedicated taxes that fund them, because it costs four times as much per mile to build a subway line here as it does in France, and because union rules force the agency to overstaff itself, inflating operating costs. <a href="https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/traffic_and_transit/2024/09/24/mta-touts-drop-in-bus-fare-evasion-amid-crackdown">Half of bus riders don&#8217;t pay the fare</a>, and MTA employees don&#8217;t try to make them. Emotionally-disturbed homeless people camp out on the transit system&#8230;even though police are all over the place (at great taxpayer expense) they don&#8217;t do much about it, and I can&#8217;t entirely blame them since our government lacks the legal authority to keep these people either in jail or in treatment. The city cannot stop people from shoplifting, so most of the merchandise at Duane Reade is in locked cabinets&#8230;[S]chools remain really expensive<strong> </strong>for taxpayers even as families move away, enrollment declines, and <a href="https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2024/09/23/nyc-schools-curb-chronic-absenteeism/">chronic absenteeism remains elevated</a>. Currently, we are under state court order to spend billions of our dollars to house migrants in Midtown hotels that once housed tourists and business travelers. Housing costs are insane because the city makes it very hard to build anything &#8212; and it&#8217;s really expensive to travel here, partly because so many hotels are now full of migrants, and partly because the city council <a href="https://www.akerman.com/en/perspectives/how-city-planning-commission-special-permits-are-Hindering-new-york-hotel-scene.html">literally made it illegal to build new hotels</a>. And as a result of all of this, we are shedding population &#8212; <a href="https://thearp.org/blog/apportionment/2030-asof121923/">we&#8217;re probably going to lose three more congressional districts in the next reapportionment</a>. And where are people moving <em>to</em>? To Sun Belt states, mostly run by Republicans, where it is possible to build housing and grow the economy&#8230;</p><p>[A]ll of this is why I think Democrats&#8217; approach to the cost-of-living issues&#8230;has fallen so flat. The Democratic argument is, more or less, &#8220;look at all my programs&#8221; &#8212; all the things I&#8217;m going to have the government do to make life easier for <em>you</em>&#8230;I think Americans look around at how it goes when the government actually tries to help, and they have a healthy skepticism about how helpful the government is really going to be, and about whether the benefits are really going to flow to them. Democrats are making too many promises; they instead need to pick a few things for the government to do really well, with a focus on <em>benefits to the broad public </em>rather than to the people being paid to provide the services, instead of trying to do a zillion different things and doing them badly at great expense[.]</p></blockquote><p>Of course I don&#8217;t know how big of a factor this was in Trump&#8217;s victory, but I&#8217;m not actually sure that even matters. Barro is largely correct about the sad state of blue cities, and it&#8217;s the inhabitants of those cities who are suffering the most from that failure of governance. The most important reason to fix those cities isn&#8217;t to help Democrats get elected at the national level, but because it would make life better for urban residents themselves. The swing toward Trump is simply an illustration of just how angry city dwellers are.</p><h4><strong>The blue city renaissance, 1980-2012</strong></h4><p>It&#8217;s important to remember that just a few years ago, the general consensus was that big cities in America were doing really <em>well</em>. In 2017, Will Wilkinson <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/03/17/why-does-donald-trump-demonize-cities/">cited the success of American cities</a> as a reason to reject Trump:</p><blockquote><p>[W]hen Trump talks about cities, he presents a fearsome caricature that bears little resemblance to the real urban landscape&#8230;He persists in his efforts to slur cities as radioactive war zones because the fact that America&#8217;s diverse big cities are thriving relative to the whiter, less populous parts of the country suggests that the liberal experiment works&#8230;[T]he American metropolis is more peaceful and prosperous than it&#8217;s been in decades&#8230;Yes, cities have their share of failing schools. But they also have some of the best schools in the country and are hotbeds of reform and innovation&#8230;America&#8217;s most diverse, densely populated and well-educated cities are generating an increasing share of the country&#8217;s economic output.</p></blockquote><p>Wilkinson&#8217;s paean to big cities was the culmination of decades of real success. In the middle of the 20th century, America&#8217;s cities had been hollowed out, by a combination of soaring urban crime and the lure of the suburbs. In the 1970s, big metropolises were still losing population. NYC <a href="https://rockinst.org/blog/behind-the-fiscal-curtain-forgotten-lessons-from-the-1970s-nyc-fiscal-crisis/">almost went bankrupt</a>.</p><p>Starting around the 1980s, though, America experienced an urban revival. Big cities began to gain back some of the population they had lost:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png" width="1320" height="450" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:450,&quot;width&quot;:1320,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:78427,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hAKX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3e55de57-af33-4667-b64b-a30eb1eab9a2_1320x450.png 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>There were a number of reasons for this revival. One was the rise of knowledge industries like tech, finance, and business services, which tend to cluster together in cities. As Enrico Moretti shows in <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/New-Geography-Jobs-Enrico-Moretti/dp/0544028058">The New Geography of Jobs</a></em>, human capital tended to cluster in big cities after around 1980 or so; Richard Florida also famously documented this in <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Creative-Class-Revisited-Revised-Expanded/dp/0465042481">The Rise of the Creative Class</a></em>. Here&#8217;s some data from Jed Kolko for 2000-2014 that&#8217;s pretty representative of the general shift:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg" width="590" height="363" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:363,&quot;width&quot;:590,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:31711,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W-nH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3ab3674c-e10c-4571-8130-42a03a64b5f8_590x363.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://jedkolko.com/2016/03/30/urban-revival-not-for-most-americans/">Jed Kolko</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>A second reason for the revival was <a href="https://prospect.org/labor/immigration-america-s-urban-revival/">immigration</a> &#8212; just like a century earlier, immigrants flocked to big cities.</p><p>Then in the 1990s, <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/what-caused-the-crime-decline/477408/">crime plummeted</a>. In 1992, New York city had 2,245 murders. By 2016 it was down to 292:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg" width="678" height="433.2497793468667" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:724,&quot;width&quot;:1133,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:678,&quot;bytes&quot;:129554,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CpSm!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F84369a99-aee4-407d-8897-bcf8b8c1d8c8_1133x724.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.vitalcitynyc.org/dataviz/new-york-city-homicides-and-homicide-rates-1800-2023">Vital City</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The combination of the crime drop and the knowledge-industry boom made American cities great places to live, at least for a couple of decades. TV shows like <em>Seinfeld</em> and <em>Friends</em> and <em>Sex and the City</em> and <em>How I Met Your Mother</em> celebrated the lightheartedness of upper-class city life. Urban art and fashion and culture bloomed again, producing <a href="https://thedepartment.world/2000-s-Trends-The-Hipster-Empire-Vice-magazine-American-Apparel-Terry">the hipster era</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-15" href="#footnote-15" target="_self">15</a></p><h4><strong>Why blue cities declined again</strong></h4><p>But the renaissance was short-lived. In the 2010s, <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/opinion/cities-suburbs-housing-crime.html">the urban revival stalled</a>, and the populations of big cities plateaued. The reason was simple: <em>housing</em>. Since the 70s, American cities had developed an entrenched culture of NIMBYism and a thicket of laws like <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~diamondr/DMQ.pdf">rent control</a>, which prevented cities from building new housing in order to accommodate the influx of population. As a result, rents rose. And since rich people &#8212; the same knowledge workers who were powering the urban boom &#8212; were better able to afford the rising cost of housing, it was middle-class and working-class people who were <a href="https://economics.mit.edu/sites/default/files/publications/Autor_Urban-Opportunity.pdf">pushed out of the cities</a>. New York, San Francisco, and the rest became playgrounds for the affluent.</p><p>More progressive cities in blue states consistently <a href="https://joeornstein.github.io/publications/ornstein-zone-defense.pdf">built less housing</a> than cities in red states. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0094119010000720">Kahn (2011)</a> found:</p><blockquote><p>Traditional explanations for why some communities block new housing construction focus on incumbent home owner incentives to block entry. Local resident <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/political-doctrines">political ideology</a> may also influence community permitting decisions. This paper uses city level panel data across California <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/metropolitan-area">metropolitan areas</a> from 2000 to 2008 to document that liberal cities grant fewer new housing permits than observationally similar cities located within the same metropolitan area. Cities experiencing a growth in their liberal voter share have a lower new housing permit growth rate.</p></blockquote><p>As a result, progressive cities <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/why-are-liberal-cities-so-unaffordable/382045/">became less affordable</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg" width="840" height="607" 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6Ugo!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6189e80a-ed5e-4534-81ae-9cc075a22b5e_840x607.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" 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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/10/why-are-liberal-cities-so-unaffordable/382045/">Derek Thompson</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This divide continues to this very day. Blue cities are still building a minuscule amount of housing:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LA9p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d9236f0-fa75-4a71-a332-8a152d9a8b80_900x632.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LA9p!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d9236f0-fa75-4a71-a332-8a152d9a8b80_900x632.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LA9p!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d9236f0-fa75-4a71-a332-8a152d9a8b80_900x632.jpeg 848w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LA9p!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d9236f0-fa75-4a71-a332-8a152d9a8b80_900x632.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LA9p!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d9236f0-fa75-4a71-a332-8a152d9a8b80_900x632.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LA9p!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d9236f0-fa75-4a71-a332-8a152d9a8b80_900x632.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" 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15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://x.com/YIMBYLAND/status/1856051872857240064?t=6maoNBbXQiwnBzhQI5XV9g&amp;s=19">@YIMBYLAND</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>At the same time, many blue cities were spending way beyond their means:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8fE-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8fE-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg" width="634" height="713.4241758241758" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1024,&quot;width&quot;:910,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:634,&quot;bytes&quot;:160682,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8fE-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8fE-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8fE-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!8fE-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9698b9aa-5636-4cd7-a822-7ad808eb4061_910x1024.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.statista.com/chart/20649/municipal-debt-burden-in-us-cities/">Statista</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Some of this was due to the chronic problem of city pension obligations, which have grown more severe due to unrealistic assumptions about stock returns, the power of public-sector unions, and simple short-sightedness. But some was because local infrastructure and city services got very, very expensive &#8212; witness how New York City <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html">pays </a><em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html">several times</a></em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html"> the cost per mile</a> to build a new subway that a French city would pay.</p><p>Some of this ballooning cost is due to broken bidding processes and <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-needs-a-bigger-better-bureaucracy">the erosion of state capacity</a>. With their own departments having shrunk, progressive cities have been outsourcing more and more of their core functions to <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/nonprofits-are-sapping-the-progressive">inefficient and often corrupt nonprofits</a>. Recall the infamous case of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Sombrita">La Sombrita</a>, the ineffectual sun-shade that the Los Angeles Department of Transportation paid a nonprofit $200,000 to create:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N6kx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ab7cd5-ab85-4b57-b8c9-199eea3be026_919x692.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N6kx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ab7cd5-ab85-4b57-b8c9-199eea3be026_919x692.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N6kx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ab7cd5-ab85-4b57-b8c9-199eea3be026_919x692.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N6kx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ab7cd5-ab85-4b57-b8c9-199eea3be026_919x692.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N6kx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ab7cd5-ab85-4b57-b8c9-199eea3be026_919x692.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!N6kx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F14ab7cd5-ab85-4b57-b8c9-199eea3be026_919x692.jpeg" width="674" height="507.5168661588683" 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Crime rates began rising in 2015, fueled by national unrest. But blue cities didn&#8217;t respond by cracking down on crime as they did in the 90s and 00s. Progressives in the late 2010s reviled and rejected &#8220;stop-and-frisk&#8221;, &#8220;broken windows policing&#8221;, and other tools that blue cities had used to keep order in previous decades. Instead, they elected a bunch of <a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/progressive-prosecutor-movement-tested-by-rising-crime-and-angry-voters-boudin-11654443234">progressive prosecutors</a>, enacted more permissive policies toward public drug use, passed laws that made it <a href="https://sfist.com/2023/10/17/sf-supervisors-pass-ban-on-security-guards-drawing-their-guns-over-property-crimes/">hard to use violence against shoplifters</a>, and sometimes even <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47">reduced penalties for minor crimes</a>.</p><p>The result was entirely predictable. Blue cities became increasingly afflicted by <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-its-ok-to-be-mad-about-crime">pervasive, low-level urban disorder</a> &#8212; drug needles in children&#8217;s parks, epidemics of car break-ins, and so on. Female friends of mine in San Francisco started to report being followed for blocks, harassed on the train, or even slapped in the head by street people on their way to work. The housing crunch made the disorder much worse, of course, by <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/everything-you-think-you-know-about">exacerbating homelessness</a>.</p><p>Then the pandemic and the riots hit, and the trend got turbocharged. Without &#8220;eyes on the street&#8221; to deter crime, and with police cowed or disgruntled by the protests of summer 2020, progressive cities became increasingly <a href="https://thecausalfallacy.com/p/its-time-to-talk-about-americas-disorder">lawless, chaotic zones</a>. Violent crime soared in 2020-21, with waves of attacks on vulnerable populations like <a href="https://www.npr.org/2021/02/12/966940217/anger-and-fear-as-asian-american-seniors-targeted-in-bay-area-attacks">Asian elders</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-16" href="#footnote-16" target="_self">16</a></p><p>Nowhere was the chaos more evident than in San Francisco. Although murder rates in SF stayed low, more minor crimes, like car break-ins and theft, <a href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/02/16/property-crime-rates-test-san-franciscans-values">skyrocketed</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UXgz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffc096f24-0efa-424e-904e-9771c73c4011_384x418.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UXgz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ffc096f24-0efa-424e-904e-9771c73c4011_384x418.jpeg 424w, 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fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/02/16/property-crime-rates-test-san-franciscans-values">The Economist</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And the epidemic of public drug use in SF got utterly out of control:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg" width="652" height="340.90285714285716" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/edff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:549,&quot;width&quot;:1050,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:652,&quot;bytes&quot;:66612,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V_Rb!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fedff6d59-53de-4b82-8383-e481e03ba575_1050x549.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/upshot/san-francisco-drug-crisis.html">NYT</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>After the pandemic, there was an epidemic of <a href="https://abc7news.com/retail-theft-smash-and-grab-looting-meaning-bay-area/11263189/">store looting</a> that continued for years, causing many of <a href="https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/half-of-retailers-have-fled-drug-ridden-downtown-san-francisco/">the stores in the downtown area to close</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-17" href="#footnote-17" target="_self">17</a></p><p>The American urban renaissance is now well and truly over. In the 2010s and early 2020s, many progressive cities squandered the massive windfall from the knowledge industry boom. With its seemingly invincible network effects and ever-increasing bounty of tax revenues, that boom seemed to convince progressive cities that they had infinite amounts of fiscal and social surplus to dispose of as they pleased &#8212; that they could tolerate crime and disorder, spend infinite money, and neglect the need to build new housing, and that none of this would end up mattering. That turned out to be wrong, and now the bill is coming due.</p><h4><strong>Three principles for reviving blue cities</strong></h4><p>Reviving blue cities will require a number of big changes. Elections like the recent one in San Francisco will be needed to push out &#8220;progressive&#8221; leaders who want to continue the failed experiments of the last decade. A sensible policy is going to have combine material abundance with intolerance toward crime and disorder. I like the basic platform advanced by <a href="https://growsf.org/mission/">GrowSF</a>, a San Francisco advocacy group that combines pro-housing and pro-infrastructure policies with a tough-on-crime approach. Here&#8217;s a list of just a few of their good ideas:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg" width="668" height="540.2725274725275" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:736,&quot;width&quot;:910,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:668,&quot;bytes&quot;:137171,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!u7AD!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F45085ffc-ab99-4255-8477-2c2f9529e88b_910x736.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>But fixing blue cities is going to require more than just waves of voter anger or a laundry list of good policies. It&#8217;s going to require a <em>mindset change</em> &#8212; a shift in people&#8217;s understanding of what a city should be and how it should be run.</p><p>The most important thing blue cities need to understand and internalize is that <strong>anarchy is not a form of welfare</strong>.</p><p>Many progressives believe that any actions to curb urban disorder &#8212; restrictions on sidewalk tents, making people pay for public transit, arresting people for nonviolent crime, and so on &#8212; represent the exclusion of marginalized people from public life. In the absence of a full-service cradle-to-grave welfare state, progressives think they can redistribute urban utility from the rich to the poor by basically letting anyone do anything they want.</p><p>But in fact, permissiveness toward the behaviors that create urban disorder destroy more value than they redistribute. When you don&#8217;t make people pay for public transit, you scare people off the train, thus <a href="https://www.bart.gov/about/financials/crisis">causing the train to go bankrupt</a>. Pretty soon neither the rich nor the poor have a train, and everyone is screwed. This is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons">the tragedy of the commons</a>.</p><p>Measures to curb disorder therefore represent <em>defense of the commons</em>. When Bay Area trains put in new stronger gates to prevent people from riding the train without paying, <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/riders-say-new-bart-fare-gates-increased-policing-are-improving-train-security/">crime on the train fell and rider satisfaction increased</a>. Similarly, measures to curb shoplifting &#8212; including punishing shoplifters and letting security guards and business owners defend their stores with violence &#8212; allow local businesses to keep operating, which means that poor and working-class urban residents have places to shop for their daily needs. And so on.</p><p>Second, Josh Barro is absolutely right when he says city services should &#8220;focus on benefits to the broad public rather than to the people being paid to provide the services&#8221;. In other words, progressive cities need to realize that <strong>costs are bad for the city government</strong>.</p><p>The habit of having cities overpay for everything is another form of highly inefficient redistribution. A bunch of people do get paid out &#8212; nonprofits, overstaffed contractors, expensive consultants &#8212; but at the end of the day the ballooning costs that result from all these payouts mean that cities don&#8217;t actually have the infrastructure or services they need. All too often, progressive cities are operated for the benefit of the people who get the <em>money</em> instead of the people who get the <em>stuff</em>.</p><p>That payout-focused behavior is driving cities to bankruptcy while worsening the quality of infrastructure and services alike. Cities need to replace consultants and nonprofits with civil servants, implement stricter oversight of outside contractors, improve their bidding processes, and in general do everything they can to bring down the cost of everything they do and provide better value to the citizenry.</p><p>Finally, cities must realize that <strong>housing is non-negotiable</strong>. Fundamentally, cities are places that people <em>live</em> &#8212; if people do not have houses to live in, you don&#8217;t actually have a city. Housing is what allows businesses to function, because most people live near to where they work. Housing is what allows retail to function, because it creates a sufficient density of customers. Housing sustains knowledge-industry network effects, by allowing more knowledge workers to live close to each other and exchange ideas. In most states, housing generates more tax revenue for the city as well. And of course, housing reduces homelessness.</p><p>Blue cities should therefore do <em>absolutely whatever it takes</em> to get a lot more housing. &#8220;Whatever it takes&#8221; includes upzoning, deregulation, planning, public housing, and cutting back on policies like rent control. The correct method of building housing is &#8220;any and all methods&#8221;. That&#8217;s what it means for a goal to be non-negotiable.</p><p>I loved the blue cities of fifteen years ago. They had already sown the seeds of their own decline, but in the brief moment between the chaos of the 1970s and the foolishness of the 2010s, America&#8217;s big blue cities were indeed the glory of the country. They can and should recapture that glory.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-donald-trump-won-in-2024?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-donald-trump-won-in-2024?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Actually, what would happen is that the number of voters would shrink until it&#8217;s so small that a single vote had a high probability of being decisive, and voters would all randomize whether they went out and voted. This, of course, is a silly fantasy, since humans do not behave like this.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Note that &#8220;Black&#8221; is capitalized in this expression but &#8220;brown&#8221; is not. This is really the way that progressives write it! The reason is academic theory &#8212; &#8220;Black&#8221; is supposed to be an identity group that its members have chosen for themselves, while &#8220;brown&#8221; and &#8220;white&#8221; are theorized to be ascriptive terms imposed from outside. Although the crosstabs of the 2024 election do lend a bit of support to that distinction, the weird capitalization behavior is still fairly precious and out of touch. Note that in this blog, I capitalize &#8220;White&#8221; as well as &#8220;Black&#8221;, consistent with Bloomberg and the Washington Post. But sometimes I forget to capitalize them, because I also just don&#8217;t care about stuff like this very much, and I think the nation would be better off if we all cared less about stuff like this.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I tried to put these in rough order of importance, but really it&#8217;s situational.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-4" href="#footnote-anchor-4" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">4</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The other factors that influence elections &#8212; culture wars, charisma, narratives, and so on &#8212; are all represented by the presidential approval ratings that get fed into the model.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-5" href="#footnote-anchor-5" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">5</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This effect will generally be magnified if nominal interest rates are <a href="https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/tnm/2014/tnm1404.pdf">at the zero lower bound</a>, as they were in 2021.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-6" href="#footnote-anchor-6" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">6</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This sounds like one of those bleedingly obvious things that economists need a research paper to prove to themselves, but which every normal person with half a brain already knows. In fact, it&#8217;s not. Inflation drives up wages as well as prices &#8212; there&#8217;s no <em>obvious</em> reason why wages should go up more slowly than prices during a period of high inflation. But in fact, that is what happens, and economists don&#8217;t know why.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-7" href="#footnote-anchor-7" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">7</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Actually, not all income measures show the same thing. <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N">Real median personal income</a> did much worse in the Great Recession than in the post-pandemic inflation. Real median household income <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N">fell significantly in both episodes</a>.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-8" href="#footnote-anchor-8" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">8</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Some of this was due to a composition effect &#8212; low-wage workers returning to work dragged down the average. But <a href="https://www.atlantafed.org/chcs/wage-growth-tracker">wage measures that control for composition effects</a> also found that wages failed to keep up with inflation in 2021-22.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-9" href="#footnote-anchor-9" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">9</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The most extreme form of this &#8220;macro-progressivism&#8221;, of course, is the cult-like movement <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-nyt-article-on-mmt-is-really">known as MMT</a>. Most macro-progressives want nothing to do with MMT, of course. But sometimes their beliefs can seem like MMT&#8217;s more reasonable, wonkish cousin &#8212; always pushing for a little more fiscal stimulus, rain or shine.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-10" href="#footnote-anchor-10" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">10</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Shoplifting shows a decrease on this chart, but this is probably due to a drop in <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-shoplifting-numbers-doubled-after-store-changed-reporting-method-2021-12">reporting rates</a>. When you don&#8217;t think the police will do anything about shoplifting, you don&#8217;t tend to tell them when it happens, and it doesn&#8217;t get recorded.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-11" href="#footnote-anchor-11" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">11</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>And it was disproportionately Hispanic-owned, Asian-owned, and Black-owned small businesses that <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/money/usaandmain/2020/06/16/george-floyd-protests-coronavirus-small-businesses-damage-looting/5328052002/">got looted that summer</a> and afterwards. Small wonder that nonwhite voters shifted toward Trump!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-12" href="#footnote-anchor-12" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">12</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>All Things Considered, the most popular NPR program, has <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-listened-to_radio_programs">14.7 million weekly listeners</a>. Sean Hannity has about 14 million.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-13" href="#footnote-anchor-13" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">13</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This is obviously true for me as well, of course. I don&#8217;t know for sure, but my bet is that almost all of my audience is college-educated.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-14" href="#footnote-anchor-14" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">14</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Note that regular church <em>attendance</em> is <a href="https://jabberwocking.com/how-many-people-really-attend-church/">actually pretty stable</a>. It turns out that a lot of church members lie about going to church regularly, which you can see when you track their cell phones. But the people who only go to church services once in a while are still probably involved with the institution, which puts them in at least occasional contact with a bunch of people from other social classes.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-15" href="#footnote-anchor-15" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">15</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>But also producing lots of genuinely interesting and non-annoying culture as well!</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-16" href="#footnote-anchor-16" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">16</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>Homeless people themselves, of course, are <a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Health/unhoused-people-perceived-dangerous/story?id=103751928">the most frequent victims</a> of urban chaos, despite popular stereotypes of homeless people as predators.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-17" href="#footnote-anchor-17" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">17</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>The other reason for this was decreased foot traffic in the downtown area, caused by the rise of remote work.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Maybe the Rapture is already here]]></title><description><![CDATA[In the future, we&#8217;re all heavenbanned.]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maybe-the-rapture-is-already-here</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maybe-the-rapture-is-already-here</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 09:18:32 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!WgDI!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff1adda31-08f7-48de-a13a-dab9ec2ced33_918x653.jpeg" width="724" height="515.0021786492375" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Back when I was a teenager, a lot of people were very into <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind">the </a><em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind">Left Behind</a></em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind"> series</a>. Evangelical Christianity was still very strong in those days, especially in Texas, and <em>Left Behind</em> blew up by putting Christian eschatology into page-turning airport-bookstore-novel form. People really believed that the stories in those novels weren&#8217;t just stories &#8212; they were glimpses of a very real future event. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture">The Rapture</a> &#8212; Jesus Christ&#8217;s gathering of the faithful to Heaven before the end of the world &#8212; is something that believers expect is going to happen one of these days.</p><p>Sometimes, these days, I feel as if it&#8217;s already happened. I look around at American culture and I wonder: Where did everybody go?</p><p>The mass culture of my youth is long gone. 76 million people watched the last episode of Seinfeld in 1998; fewer than 20 million watched the last episode of <em>Game of Thrones</em> two decades later. Right now I can&#8217;t even think of what an appropriate comparison would be. What&#8217;s the show that everyone watches? </p><p>In the 2010s, mass culture was replaced by meme culture. Everyone knew this photo and what it represented:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg" width="682" height="383.3687374749499" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:561,&quot;width&quot;:998,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:682,&quot;bytes&quot;:63103,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/i/219538380?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vVWj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F008a8669-a333-49ec-b15e-154e60c8ddeb_998x561.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Social media feeds &#8212; Twitter and the Facebook wall &#8212; turned American society into a sort of digital hive mind. Feeling yourself being absorbed into that great unified consciousness could be an agonizing experience &#8212; mobs constantly punished any deviation from conformity, quirky unique subcultures were devoured and metabolized, everyone was forced into a cell with people they had spent their lives trying to escape. The hunt for virality was everything. Viral memes were the thoughts that drifted through the mind of the social media Borg. </p><p>There are almost no memes left. For so many years there was a steady drumbeat of images and phrases that people passed around among each other ad infinitum; now, I can&#8217;t even think of the last one that really made the rounds. Twitter &#8212; now X &#8212; has not died but is diminished in scope and relevance. At times it feels like a ghost town. </p><p>Where did everybody go? I would like to think that they&#8217;re offline, living as we lived in the Before Times, running through sunlit fields blasting each other with Super Soakers or playing Dungeons and Dragons in their living rooms. Or perhaps they&#8217;re in Signal and WhatsApp chats and Discord channels, talking with their friends in the comfort and safety of privacy. I would like to think that they rejected the digital hive mind for the ancient ways of individuality and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number">Dunbar&#8217;s Number</a>. </p><p>But my bet is that they&#8217;re just watching short form video. Over the last few years, the entire internet has steadily <a href="https://www.infinitescroll.us/p/the-carcinization-of-content">carcinized</a> into a single type of app/website/media/entertainment &#8212; a vertically scrolling feed full of short video clips. Vine invented it, TikTok popularized it, and now every other site has copied this one dominant, all-conquering format. Already, vertical short-form video feeds are more dominant than every form of media except for social media itself:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg 848w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ESZH!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c4e74a3-784e-4129-8c9f-38281b1c5a78_1217x628.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.ampereanalysis.com/insight/daily-use-of-short-form-social-media-exceeds-streaming-tv-and-gaming">Ampere</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>But even this significantly understates the change. The term &#8220;social media&#8221; used to mean people writing things to each other or sending images on Facebook or Twitter; now, it&#8217;s mostly used to mean people watching videos:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg" width="672" height="421.61538461538464" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ju8w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb8c3564-79e8-42bc-912c-9d59ec1c4311_832x522.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: John Burn-Murdoch</figcaption></figure></div><p>Even the long-form video sites, like YouTube, are <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2026/04/how-short-form-clips-took-over-the-internet/686922/">increasingly just short-form sites showing a bunch of clips</a>. This shift has basically killed the original use of social media, turning it from a town square or conversation room into a form of purely passive entertainment:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg" width="674" height="433.33083411433927" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!B3fS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F83e7103b-8f2c-46b0-b44e-56b1fa64dd0d_1067x686.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: John Burn-Murdoch</figcaption></figure></div><p>I am not part of this trend. I had TikTok on my phone for a year or so, but I could never get into it; in 2021 I deleted the app. The videos all felt like some kind of bland snack that you keep eating even though you don&#8217;t really like it &#8212; everything seemed optimized to make you swipe to the next thing, like the programming in those hundreds of channels that only existed so that satellite TV could brag that it had 700 channels. </p><p>Mass culture is often absorbing; meme culture is delightful and horrifying in turn. Short-form video <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-few-cultural-thoughts">feels to me like anesthesia</a>; the swiping is the point, not the content. As Jerry Seinfeld once said, &#8220;Men don&#8217;t care what&#8217;s on TV. They only care what else is on TV.&#8221; I suppose I&#8217;m the exception.</p><p>So here I am, alone at the end of culture. I feel like one of the people from the <em>Left Behind</em> series, waking up to find most of the people around me taken to digital Heaven. </p><p>Have you ever heard of &#8220;heavenbanning&#8221;? It&#8217;s not a real thing&#8230;yet. It&#8217;s <a href="https://x.com/nearcyan/status/1532076277947330561">the hypothetical idea</a> that social media platforms could neutralize obstreperous users by replacing their entire feed with AI content that flatters and agrees with them. You&#8217;d think you&#8217;re interacting with other human beings, and that everybody just happens to love you and think you&#8217;re brilliant, while in reality you&#8217;re in solitary confinement with an LLM.</p><p>It&#8217;s possible to think of vertical short-form video feeds as a kind of heavenbanning. Your feed is curated by AI, tailored to your own preferences. The videos you see <a href="https://uk.pcmag.com/social-media/151013/most-tiktok-users-even-younger-ones-rarely-post-videos">aren&#8217;t made by anyone you know</a>, or (probably) by anyone you&#8217;ll ever meet. The people you know in real life don&#8217;t see the same videos you do, unless you share them. Eventually the world blurs together and you lose track of time:</p><blockquote><p>Researchers at several universities in China, in a study involving <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563226001202?via%3Dihub">more than 1,500 high-school students</a>, found that their future time perspective was damaged by a steady diet of such short-form videos&#8230;Now, [short-form videos are] also making us less able to plan for the future, or even care about it. </p></blockquote><p>Right now, short-form videos are mostly made by would-be human influencers or clipped from human-made long-form videos that few people actually watch. But in the very near future, much of what you see in your TikTok or Reels feed could be AI-generated. And as the cost of compute drops, AI will be able to generate <em>personalized</em> videos for everyone &#8212; content tailored not necessarily to delight you, but to keep you engaged, to keep you swiping, to keep you making in-app purchases. </p><p>When I was a kid, I used to wonder what all the dead people were doing in Heaven for all of those countless eons. Now I know what they&#8217;re doing. They&#8217;re <em>swiping</em>. </p><p>I think about the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter">Great Filter</a> sometimes. We&#8217;ve searched the skies for signs of alien intelligence for many decades, and found nothing &#8212; natural or artificial. The Great Filter is one possible explanation for the silence of the cosmos &#8212; it&#8217;s the idea that there&#8217;s some dread <em>Thing</em> in the Universe that destroys sentient species before they can spread out to the stars. </p><p>There are plenty of hypotheses as to what the Great Filter might be. Perhaps every sentient species destroys itself with nukes or bioweapons. Perhaps AI always tends to wipe out its organic creators before retreating into inaccessible virtual worlds. Perhaps there&#8217;s a race of killer robots silently cruising between the stars, slaughtering every organic species that looks like it might one day rise to become a threat. </p><p>Or perhaps it&#8217;s the smartphone. In previous decades, fertility decline was due to couples choosing to have fewer children; now, it&#8217;s increasingly about people never forming couples at all. The isolating effects of social media are one obvious culprit; it&#8217;s very hard to conceive a child while you&#8217;re on your phone.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w35310">Myers and Hooper</a> (2026) found that &#8220;access to the iPhone reduced births by 4.5&#8211;8.0% at ages 15&#8211;19 and 3.2&#8211;6.6% at ages 20&#8211;24&#8221;. <a href="https://epc2026.eaps.nl/abstracts/261102">Breen et al. (2026)</a> found that &#8220;the expansion of 3G coverage [in Nigeria] during the study period led to a decline in fertility, corresponding to a 7% reduction in the annual probability of a woman having a birth.&#8221; </p><p>Given the timing and the microeconomic evidence, <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/are-you-finally-ready-to-admit-its">smartphones are the likeliest explanation</a> for why instead of leveling out near 2, the total fertility rate in rich countries &#8212; and, increasingly, in middle-income countries &#8212; has busted right through that floor and headed down toward zero. Smartphones at least help to explain why <a href="https://x.com/elanbechor/status/2102584316547178582">Latin America</a> now has <a href="https://x.com/onlmaps/status/2105380583664648338">an even lower birth rate</a> than the EU. </p><p>Even without vertical short-form video, social media might still be enough to shrink the human race. Online interactions substitute for offline ones, but only one of the two can make a baby. But it&#8217;s hard to deny that vertical short-form video is <a href="https://www.derekthompson.org/p/why-everything-became-television">even more isolating than other online activities</a> &#8212; in the case of heavenbanning, it&#8217;s almost solipsistic. At least on X you can meet your mutuals. In the brave new world of AI-generated personalized short-form content, your &#8220;mutuals&#8221; will be made of matrices and computer chips. </p><p>Personally, I don&#8217;t like vertical short-form video because I think it&#8217;s pretty boring. But the fact that it could represent the euthanasia of our species seems like an additional downside. Perhaps it&#8217;s in the fundamental nature of intelligence to hack its own reward function &#8212; to find a way to give up striving and building and loving, and to simply <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_stimulation_reward#Strength_of_drive">hit the dopamine button</a> until it starves itself ecstatically to death. </p><p>The next time you look at the night sky, you should wonder if instead of star empires and unearthly paradises, it&#8217;s simply a vast graveyard of short-form video fans. Such an outcome would be much gentler, but hardly less cataclysmic, than the end of Revelation. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maybe-the-rapture-is-already-here?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/maybe-the-rapture-is-already-here?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div 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be.]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/there-is-no-indian-question</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/there-is-no-indian-question</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 09:47:37 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YwSf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90c5c48a-fd0f-4355-ad67-5d4fdcbecaec_704x868.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!YwSf!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90c5c48a-fd0f-4355-ad67-5d4fdcbecaec_704x868.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Photo via <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Stranger_at_our_Gate,_by_Frank_Beard.jpg">Wikimedia Commons</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><em>&#8220;Our nation was founded to perpetuate democratic principles. These principles are that each man is to be treated on his worth as a man without regard to the land from which his forefathers came and without regard to the creed which he professes. If the United States proves false to these principles of civil and religious liberty, it will have inflicted the greatest blow on the system of free popular government that has ever been inflicted. Here we have had a virgin continent on which to try the experiment of making out of divers race stocks a new nation[.]&#8221; &#8212; Teddy Roosevelt</em></p><p>The other day, Chris Rufo of the Manhattan Institute and right-wing pundit Jonathan Keeperman (also known as &#8220;Lomez&#8221;) aired an episode of their podcast entitled &#8220;The Indian Question&#8221;:</p><div id="youtube2-Bzt_rwvGasg" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;Bzt_rwvGasg&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Bzt_rwvGasg?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>The title of the episode seems to be a reference to &#8220;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_question">the Jewish Question</a>&#8221;, a term in 18th and 19th century Europe for the question of how Jews should be treated in European society. That term, of course, became notorious when it was associated with the Nazis&#8217; &#8220;Final Solution&#8221;, which was billed as being a final solution to &#8220;the Jewish Question&#8221;. I assume that Rufo and Keeperman chose this rather incendiary title in order to grab attention. Well, they succeeded.</p><p>The episode was motivated by a debate that&#8217;s been raging across social media for weeks. It was kicked off by Bo French, the Republican nominee for Texas Railroad Commissioner, who tweeted outrage at a group of Indian American kids attending a University of Texas football game. I already wrote about that controversy three weeks ago:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;29775bc5-eee5-48d7-a535-c960bb89ee48&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;After days of thinking about the possibility that AI might kill all of humanity, it&#8217;s almost a relief to be able to write about a lighter topic &#8212; like how the xenophobic Right is threatening to tear my country apart.&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;The anti-American Right&quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-16T06:08:15.462Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PF74!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F56b3fd94-2610-4321-9782-076906e5042e_683x589.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_crop&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-anti-american-right&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:215912934,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:538,&quot;comment_count&quot;:87,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>Jonathan Keeperman (&#8220;Lomez&#8221;) invited me on his podcast to share my views and debate him, so I did. Here&#8217;s the episode that resulted:</p><div id="youtube2-x-QBwwiselI" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;x-QBwwiselI&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/x-QBwwiselI?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>Rufo was busy, so it was just Keeperman and me.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> </p><p>Anyway, before I talk about the substance, I thought I should say something about the side debate of whether a liberal like myself should even go on right-wing podcasts like &#8220;Rufo and Lomez&#8221;. Throughout most of the 2010s, there was a popular notion that society should basically ignore and shun people like that, and that if we all simply shunned them, and pressured our friends and colleagues to shun them, they and their views would vanish from American society &#8212; or at least remain marginalized.</p><p>That approach failed. Anti-immigrant ideas didn&#8217;t remain marginalized &#8212; in fact, they took over the country, despite <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/712289/americans-support-immigration-down-strong.aspx">their continued unpopularity</a> among the general American public. Are Rufo and Lomez pushing xenophobic ideas? Yes, of course they are. I&#8217;m not going to sugarcoat that fact just to be polite. But simply shouting &#8220;Those guys are XENOPHOBES!!&#8221; and keeping those guys out of polite society would be doubling down on a foolish, self-defeating strategy. The alternative was always to confront those viewpoints directly and defeat them in the court of public opinion, so that&#8217;s what I set out to do. </p><p>OK, anyway, on to the substance of the debate.</p><p>Keeperman and I began the debate by finding common ground. We both basically subscribe to the principle of nationalism &#8212; we believe that nation-states are exclusive clubs that exist for the benefit of their members, and that this is a basically good way to organize human society. We both think the United States of America is basically good &#8212; or at least, <em>has been</em> basically good throughout most of its history. </p><p>I explained my belief that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/america-needs-liberal-nationalism">liberal nationalism</a> is the best ideology available &#8212; maybe for other countries, but certainly for the United States. All of our greatest successes as a country &#8212; victories in wars, successful policy reforms, integration of past waves of immigrants &#8212; have come from our use of the nation-state as a tool to promote individual rights, dignity, and empowerment. I told Keeperman that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/book-review-abundance">the Abundance Agenda</a> is, at least implicitly, an expression of liberal nationalism &#8212; the movement is about creating abundance for <em>Americans specifically</em>, with the implicit premise being that Americans deserve abundance. </p><p>Keeperman disagrees about the liberal part, of course, but he does feel that he has the best interests of the United States in mind. His worry is that immigration is stoking ethnic conflict in America, because recent immigrant groups &#8212; for example, Indians &#8212; are not assimilating into American society like previous groups did. </p><p>To me, assimilation has always been about <em>measurable behavior</em>. If the children and grandchildren of immigrants act culturally American &#8212; if they <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/22/us/newest-immigrants-assimilating-as-well-as-past-ones-report-says.html">speak English</a>, <a href="https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/2080725698549862530">intermarry</a>, give their kids <a href="https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20190079">typical American names</a>, go to college football games, <a href="https://ranabr.people.stanford.edu/sites/g/files/sbiybj26066/files/media/file/mobility_draft_august_1_2020.pdf">climb the income ladder</a>, <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060307_Frey.pdf">move out of enclaves</a>, and so on &#8212; then they&#8217;re assimilated. By all of these standards, the recent waves of immigrants &#8212; Mexicans, Chinese people, Indians, and so on &#8212; are assimilating just as fast as or faster than the East and South European wave did a century ago, or than the Irish and the Germans did two centuries ago. </p><p>The aspect of assimilation that Keeperman worries about most is <em>national identity</em> &#8212; the degree to which the children and grandchildren of immigrants feel bound up in a shared community and a shared identity with countrymen of different backgrounds. I agree that this is extremely important; many of the benefits of the nation-state, like the ability to provide public goods and <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2001/06/2001b_bpea_alesina.pdf">welfare states</a>, come from this sort of shared identity. It also <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0010414014543103?utm_source=chatgpt.com">probably leads</a> to <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0738894217724568?utm_source=chatgpt.com">greater toleration</a> of minorities (including <a href="https://www.waseda.jp/fpse/winpec/assets/uploads/2024/03/e48b2c8f7ab771708b65bda5d13e748b.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com">immigrants</a>). All of those goals should be very important to liberal nationalists. </p><p>Lomez &#8212; who is not a liberal, but cares about national cohesion nonetheless &#8212; worries that identity assimilation is lacking in the modern day. He argues that today&#8217;s immigrants retain their old-world allegiances much more strongly than the immigrants of a century ago &#8212; that second-generation Indian Americans in Texas still think of themselves as Indians rather than as Americans, and so on. </p><p>We do have lots of surveys about this, in fact. There&#8217;s a clear pattern &#8212; immigrants tend to identify more as their ethnicity than as &#8220;American&#8221;, but later generations are more likely to identify as &#8220;American&#8221;. Here&#8217;s a survey showing that third-generation Asian Americans are a lot more likely to identify as just &#8220;American&#8221;:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg" width="640" height="526" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:789,&quot;width&quot;:960,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:640,&quot;bytes&quot;:88589,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/i/219185700?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3pnA!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa34a0669-15fc-4cd4-8231-713bab3c01ea_960x789.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2023/05/08/asian-identity-in-the-us/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Pew</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>We see the same pattern even more strongly among Hispanics:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg" width="469" height="536.1169284467713" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_c4C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc1dc97bb-e5ae-464b-aa88-813aab4bbaf0_573x655.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2017/12/20/hispanic-identity-fades-across-generations-as-immigrant-connections-fall-away/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Pew</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Second and third generation immigrants are also <a href="https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/e-pluribus-unum-findings-cato-institute-2021-immigration-identity-national-survey?utm_source=chatgpt.com#section-4-perspectives-immigrants-second-generation">a lot less likely</a> to describe themselves as &#8220;global citizens&#8221;. </p><p>Now, these could be generational effects &#8212; people identifying more as &#8220;American&#8221; as their families stay in America for longer &#8212; or they could be cohort effects. It&#8217;s possible that due to identity politics, <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/711938/american-pride-falls-year-record-low.aspx">plummeting patriotism</a>, or to the ability to <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/vertical-communities">connect with co-ethnics abroad on the internet</a>, recent cohorts of immigrants are less likely to want to identify as &#8220;American&#8221;. </p><p>In fact, we have some evidence that this is happening for Indians, specifically. In 2020, the Indian American Attitudes Survey found that the second generation was a lot more likely than the first (i.e., immigrant) generation to identify as &#8220;more American than Indian&#8221;:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg" width="654" height="531.2630136986302" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k4kG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa77b59f4-ce52-4262-a472-595a0af07945_730x593.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2021/06/social-realities-of-indian-americans-results-from-the-2020-indian-american-attitudes-survey?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Carnegie Endowment</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>But by 2024, that pattern was somewhat weaker, with more U.S.-born Indian Americans identifying as &#8220;more Indian than American&#8221; and &#8220;equally Indian and American&#8221; than four years prior:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2025/07/indian-americans-social-survey-data?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Carnegie Endowment</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This is just two survey snapshots, a few years apart. It would be helpful if we had had good longitudinal surveys asking people about American identity versus ethnic identity for decades. But we don&#8217;t, so we&#8217;re left to worry and speculate. </p><p>Without longer-term data, my guess is that this identity shift &#8212; to the degree that it&#8217;s real and not just survey noise &#8212; is a short-term response to political conditions. Indian Americans had full access to the internet in 2020, and they were just as able to talk to ethnic Indians in India or Australia or Canada. Identity politics &#8212; including institutions such as ethnic clubs at universities &#8212; had been around for decades, and the sentiment behind it was probably at its height in 2020. </p><p>Instead, my bet is that we&#8217;re seeing a reaction to the rise of the MAGA Right itself. It was in 2024 &#8212; right before the second survey wave &#8212; that <a href="https://www.isdglobal.org/digital-dispatch/hindu-nationalists-push-conspiracy-theories-and-misinformation-ahead-of-elections/?utm_source=chatgpt.com">anti-Indian attitudes became extremely popular</a> among the online Right. 2024 is also when it became clear that <a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/642887/inflation-immigration-rank-among-top-issue-concerns.aspx">a wave of anti-immigrant sentiment</a> was sweeping the nation. My guess is that stronger ethnic identification among Indian Americans was probably a reaction to the perception that a substantial part of America was attacking Indians. </p><p>Keeperman &#8212; like other rightists I&#8217;ve talked to &#8212; seems to think that immigrant groups assimilate only under<em> aggressive pressure</em> from the majority. The model I usually hear is that of German Americans in World War I, who were the subject of feverish <a href="https://www.history.com/articles/anti-german-sentiment-wwi">forced-assimilation campaigns</a> &#8212; pressured to change their names, stop speaking German, and profess allegiance to America. In his discussion with Rufo, Keeperman <a href="https://x.com/JeremiahDJohns/status/2104626214405132454">argued</a> that vocal anti-Indian racism was part of a &#8220;hazing process&#8221;. </p><p>My argument is that this is <em>exactly backwards</em>. Ethnic identity is <em>fundamentally defensive in nature</em>. Identity groups are like gangs &#8212; if you no longer feel like a part of the big gang (the nation), you&#8217;re probably going to turn to a smaller gang (your ethnic group) for protection and support. For this reason, forced-assimilation campaigns can suppress visible expressions of ethnic difference, but they strengthen ethnic identity itself. </p><p>There&#8217;s plenty of evidence to support this. Although forced-assimilation campaigns in WWI made some Germans <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/how-do-immigrants-respond-to-discrimination-the-case-of-germans-in-the-us-during-world-war-i/73E94E2B4C8EFB3B5B11B4AEB95DAFEE?utm_source=chatgpt.com">change their names</a>, they caused Germans as a whole to <a href="https://academic.oup.com/restud/article-abstract/87/1/204/5472346?utm_source=chatgpt.com">intermarry less</a> and to volunteer less in World War II. <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ajps.12131?utm_source=chatgpt.com">Anti-Hispanic rhetoric</a> tends to increase Hispanic identification, and <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32105119/">perceived discrimination</a> makes Hispanics more likely to <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21736592/">identify with their ethnicity</a>. </p><p>This pattern is likely to play out again, with the new rightist fad for <a href="https://www.richardhanania.com/p/dumbest-form-of-capitalism-dumbest">anti-Indian bigotry</a>. Bo French&#8217;s tweet, and the outpouring of support it received from the grassroots Right, is going to make some Indian Americans question whether America really accepts them &#8212; and whether they might have to turn to other Indians for support rather than their countrymen of other races. </p><p>Rufo and Keeperman&#8217;s &#8220;Indian Question&#8221; podcast is, of course, only going to make things worse. When your race&#8217;s mere existence in America is being described as a &#8220;question&#8221; by <a href="https://manhattan.institute/person/christopher-f-rufo">a senior fellow in the Manhattan Institute</a>, you naturally tend to get a bit apprehensive &#8212; and a bit defensive. In the last ten minutes of my debate with Keeperman, I got very vehement and animated about the counterproductive nature of the anti-Indian rhetoric.</p><p>Keeperman argued that assimilation only worked so well in the 19th and 20th centuries because of &#8220;ethnogenesis&#8221; &#8212; we took a bunch of disparate European groups and made them all &#8220;White&#8221;. But I don&#8217;t think this is quite right. Yes, assimilation succeeded because of ethnogenesis, and yes, &#8220;White&#8221; ethnicity became more salient. But the ethnicity we tried to create in the 20th century was actually something else. It was &#8220;American&#8221;. </p><p>Attempts to create an &#8220;American&#8221; ethnicity date at least back to <a href="https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2026-07-01/theodore-roosevelt-melting-pot-america">Teddy Roosevelt</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> These intensified in the New Deal years, and during and after World War II. This effort partially failed. Black Americans never became part of the &#8220;American&#8221; ethnicity, for a variety of reasons &#8212; geographic and legal segregation, linguistic differences, pervasive anti-Black racism, the memory of slavery, the rise of Black Nationalism, and so on. But for other racial minorities &#8212; Asians, Hispanics, and Middle Easterners &#8212; it <em>partially</em> succeeded. </p><p>The idea that the efforts of FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ, and other liberal nationalists of the mid 20th century were all about creating <em>White</em> identity is a recent conceit; if you read anything from the time period, you realize that this wasn&#8217;t the goal, even if it was one of the lasting results. To understand the mood of the time, you should listen to the patriotic song &#8220;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballad_for_Americans">Ballad for Americans</a>&#8221;, by Paul Robeson, which was sung at the 1940 Republican national convention.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> Here&#8217;s a key excerpt:</p><blockquote><p>Now hold on here.<br>What are you trying to give us?<br>Are you an American?</p><p>Am I an American?<br>I&#8217;m just an&#8230;.<br>Irish, Negro, Jewish, Italian,<br>French and English, Spanish, Russian,<br>Chinese, Polish, Scot, Hungarian,<br>Litvak, Swedish, Finnish, Canadian,<br>Greek and Turk and Czech,<br>And double-check American!<br>And that ain&#8217;t all!<br>I was baptized Baptist, Methodist,<br>Congregationalist,<br>Lutheran, Atheist, Roman Catholic,<br>Orthodox Jewish, Presbyterian,<br>Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon, Quaker,<br>Christian Scientist,<br>And lots more!</p><p>You sure are something!</p><p>Our country&#8217;s strong, our country&#8217;s young,<br>And her greatest songs are yet unsung,<br>From her plains and mountains,<br>We have sprung to keep the faith<br>With those who went before.<br>We nobodies who are anybodies believe it.<br>We anybodies who are everybodies have no doubts!</p></blockquote><p>This mood is utterly absent from both the modern Right and the modern Left. On the Right, there is no attempt at ethnogenesis &#8212; only perpetual fragmentation, suspicion, and finger-pointing. Here is what I wrote in my post three weeks ago:</p><blockquote><p>It&#8217;s this pathological inability to understand alliances and coalition-building that will ultimately doom the New Right. Like the far Left, this is a movement built to exclude and divide and splinter &#8212; both because of the querulous personalities of rightists themselves, and because of the intransigence of a racial ideology that <a href="https://x.com/MegaBasedChad/status/2099557616708112711">abhors any impurity</a>. If they ever managed to see off the Hispanics and the Asians, the rightists would start in on the Greeks and the Italians, and so on. There&#8217;s no victory in sight &#8212; only eternal conflict. <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/this-thing-will-fail">These are not nation-builders</a>; they are nation-dismantlers.</p></blockquote><p>Meanwhile, the progressive movement has tried its hand at ethnogenesis &#8212; POC and BIPOC were both essentially attempts to create new racial categories defined in opposition to the White category. But these attempts fell apart. And there hasn&#8217;t been an attempt to create a broadly shared American ethnicity, because the modern progressive movement is also obsessed with purity, exclusion, and tent-shrinking. </p><p>But if we are going to flourish as a nation, the project of creating an American ethnicity is essential. The rightist approach &#8212; bullying nonwhite people until they meekly suppress any evidence of their backgrounds &#8212; will backfire spectacularly. In fact, it is already backfiring. Instead, the right approach is the liberal nationalist one &#8212; to allow or even encourage people to value their roots, while also emphasizing that they&#8217;re all one unified people now. When it comes to assimilation, a big tent beats a small one, and carrots work better than sticks. </p><p>That&#8217;s why there is no &#8220;Indian Question&#8221;. There is only the question of what sort of nation America is to be. We must pick up the discarded project of our 20th century forebears, and make it work completely this time. </p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/there-is-no-indian-question?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/there-is-no-indian-question?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div id="youtube2-LHCQGQdeL68" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;LHCQGQdeL68&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/LHCQGQdeL68?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>This made me sad, both because I wanted the chance to challenge Rufo in person over his promulgation of <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/yes-haitians-are-good-enough-to-be">the &#8220;Hatians eating cats&#8221; rumor</a> in 2024, and I thought it would be deliciously ironic to have a podcast in which two Jews and a second-generation Italian American with a Southeast Asian immigrant wife debated whether Indians belong in America. Oh well, maybe next time. </p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-2" href="#footnote-anchor-2" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">2</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>For a good history of Teddy Roosevelt&#8217;s racial ideas, I recommend the book <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/American-Crucible-Nation-Twentieth-Century/dp/0691102775">American Crucible</a></em>, by Gary Gerstle.</p></div></div><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-3" href="#footnote-anchor-3" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">3</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>And, interestingly, at the Communist Party convention!</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What the AI boom is doing for Americans]]></title><description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s not just &#8220;of, by and for 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height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Paul Krugman is the greatest econ writer in the world, and also a legendary economist. But I sometimes feel that he has a blind spot when it comes to the value of new technologies. In 1998 he famously wrote:</p><blockquote><p>The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in &#8216;Metcalfe&#8217;s law&#8217;&#8212;which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants&#8212;becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet&#8217;s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine&#8217;s.</p></blockquote><p>By the time he wrote that, America was already well into <a href="https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/economic-letter/2015/02/economic-growth-information-technology-factor-productivity/">an IT-driven productivity boom</a> that would temporarily interrupt the stagnation that had begun in the 1970s. The internet was surely <a href="https://researchworks.creighton.edu/esploro/outputs/journalArticle/The-Internets-Contribution-to-US-Productivity/991005972539202656">part of that story</a>; it allowed companies to reshuffle and optimize their supply chains for greater efficiency, find customers, suppliers, and workers more easily, conduct business communications cheaply and in greater depth, and so on. Dolfen et al. (2023) estimate <a href="https://web.stanford.edu/~leinav/pubs/AEJmacro2023.pdf">large consumer gains</a> from the rise of e-commerce, Barrero, Bloom, and Davis (2021) find <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1goqtTpCGgf8dgOkI1gMUjSedcUckY1Iy/view">large economic gains to households</a> from high-quality internet access, and so on. The internet is a <em>lot</em> more than just people yelling at each other on forums and social media. (Krugman <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/04/opinion/internet-economy.html">later argued</a> that the internet&#8217;s economic impact had been disappointing, but I suppose that depends on your expectations.)</p><p>In 2011, Krugman wrote that American kitchens <a href="https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/the-kitchen-test/">hadn&#8217;t changed much since 1957</a>. I can forgive him for not being an early adopter of the air fryer or the Instant Pot, which came out in 2010, but he really should have given more consideration to countertop microwaves, food processors, Keurig-type coffee machines, crock pots, and induction stoves, all of which became available between 1957 and when he wrote the post.</p><p>So although it&#8217;s always dangerous to disagree with Paul, I am going to go ahead and push back on his argument that AI technology &#8220;does nothing&#8221; for most Americans:</p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:218151622,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/one-more-reason-americans-hate-ai&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:277517,&quot;embedding_publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Paul Krugman&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e1Ly!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7295f5-c1bd-4d62-b641-6dfbf34258f8_951x951.png&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;One More Reason Americans Hate AI: It Does Nothing for Them&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;One unifying dynamic in America today: Americans really, really hate AI. What began as a form of NIMBYism &#8212; no one wants a data center in their neighborhood &#8212; has broadened into severe doubts about the technology as a whole. For those of us who remember the giddy optimism that greeted the tech boom of the 1990s, the widespread negativity towards AI is a&#8230;&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-30T10:24:34.425Z&quot;,&quot;like_count&quot;:2413,&quot;comment_count&quot;:641,&quot;bylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:26817325,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Paul Krugman&quot;,&quot;handle&quot;:&quot;paulkrugman&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5cd097e5-2750-4a19-aaf3-6425407e9b6c_951x951.jpeg&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Professor, CUNY Grad Center, Nobel laureate and former columnist, NY Times. Also, according to Donald Trump, a &#8220;Deranged BUM.&#8221;&quot;,&quot;profile_set_up_at&quot;:&quot;2022-12-17T15:45:57.485Z&quot;,&quot;reader_installed_at&quot;:&quot;2024-12-11T21:28:06.826Z&quot;,&quot;publicationUsers&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:227323,&quot;user_id&quot;:26817325,&quot;publication_id&quot;:277517,&quot;role&quot;:&quot;admin&quot;,&quot;public&quot;:true,&quot;is_primary&quot;:true,&quot;publication&quot;:{&quot;id&quot;:277517,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Paul Krugman&quot;,&quot;subdomain&quot;:&quot;paulkrugman&quot;,&quot;custom_domain&quot;:null,&quot;custom_domain_optional&quot;:false,&quot;hero_text&quot;:&quot;Notes on economics and more&quot;,&quot;logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7f7295f5-c1bd-4d62-b641-6dfbf34258f8_951x951.png&quot;,&quot;author_id&quot;:26817325,&quot;primary_user_id&quot;:26817325,&quot;theme_var_background_pop&quot;:&quot;#E8B500&quot;,&quot;created_at&quot;:&quot;2021-02-03T15:49:15.991Z&quot;,&quot;email_from_name&quot;:null,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Paul Krugman&quot;,&quot;founding_plan_name&quot;:&quot;Founding Member&quot;,&quot;community_enabled&quot;:true,&quot;invite_only&quot;:false,&quot;payments_state&quot;:&quot;enabled&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:null,&quot;explicit&quot;:false,&quot;homepage_type&quot;:&quot;magaziney&quot;,&quot;is_personal_mode&quot;:false,&quot;logo_url_wide&quot;:null}}],&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000,&quot;status&quot;:{&quot;bestsellerTier&quot;:10000,&quot;subscriberTier&quot;:10,&quot;leaderboard&quot;:null,&quot;vip&quot;:false,&quot;badge&quot;:{&quot;type&quot;:&quot;bestseller&quot;,&quot;tier&quot;:10000},&quot;subscriber&quot;:null}}],&quot;utm_campaign&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;,&quot;source&quot;:null}" data-component-name="EmbeddedPostToDOM"><a class="embedded-post" native="true" href="https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/one-more-reason-americans-hate-ai?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;embedding_publication_id=35345"><div class="embedded-post-header"><img class="embedded-post-publication-logo" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!e1Ly!,w_56,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7f7295f5-c1bd-4d62-b641-6dfbf34258f8_951x951.png"><span class="embedded-post-publication-name">Paul Krugman</span></div><div class="embedded-post-title-wrapper"><div class="embedded-post-title">One More Reason Americans Hate AI: It Does Nothing for Them</div></div><div class="embedded-post-body">One unifying dynamic in America today: Americans really, really hate AI. What began as a form of NIMBYism &#8212; no one wants a data center in their neighborhood &#8212; has broadened into severe doubts about the technology as a whole. For those of us who remember the giddy optimism that greeted the tech boom of the 1990s, the widespread negativity towards AI is a&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">a month ago &#183; 2413 likes &#183; 641 comments &#183; Paul Krugman</div></a></div><p>He writes:</p><blockquote><p>There is also, however, a more prosaic reasons for the public&#8217;s dislike of AI: This is a technology of, by and for oligarchs, with hardly any of the benefits trickling down to regular Americans&#8230;Or to put it a different way, never before in history have corporations spent so much money &#8212; playing a major role in <a href="https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/booms-bombs-and-bonds-interest-rates">soaring interest rates</a> &#8212; to create so few jobs.</p></blockquote><p>I think that this is basically wrong. Although we don&#8217;t know the long-term effects of AI on the distribution of income and wealth, right now we can see a substantial amount of economic benefit flowing &#8212; I wouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;trickling down&#8221;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> &#8212; to regular Americans. </p><p>This is not to say that regular Americans couldn&#8217;t stand to benefit more from the AI boom. I think they could. I like some (though not all) of <a href="https://econjared.substack.com/p/the-data-center-pause-we-need">Jared Bernstein&#8217;s ideas</a> for spreading the benefits of the data center boom more broadly. But I think Krugman has underestimated the benefits of the data center buildout in terms of direct employment, and has basically ignored the <em>fiscal</em>, <em>macroeconomic</em>, and <em>consumer</em> benefits of the current AI boom. </p><h4>The AI buildout is creating lots of construction jobs</h4><p>Building data centers takes a lot of labor. But Krugman argues that data centers aren&#8217;t doing much in the way of providing construction jobs:</p><blockquote><p>Given this spending surge, one should expect a sharp rise in nonresidential construction spending &#8212; basically construction for businesses rather than housing...But that&#8217;s not what we actually see. Nonresidential construction&#8230;has basically flatlined under Trump, despite the immense AI investment boom&#8230;[E]ven the physical construction of a data center involves relatively little construction.</p></blockquote><p>He quotes <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/4c_Van-Nieuwerburgh.pdf">Van Nieuwerburgh (2026)</a>, who shows that only about a third of the cost of a data center involves construction work.</p><p>But I don&#8217;t think Krugman proves his case here. First of all, if we&#8217;re talking about construction <em>jobs</em>, we should look at <em>employment levels</em>, not spending. 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And remember, this was at a time when Trump was <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/19/realestate/trumps-deportations-are-costing-americans-jobs.html">deporting construction workers en masse</a> &#8212; 13% of the construction workforce is undocumented, and deportations also have knock-on negative effects on the industry that result in the firing of native-born workers as well. This probably explains the pause in the increase of construction employment in 2025.  But even that couldn&#8217;t stop construction&#8217;s rise. </p><p>And it&#8217;s exactly the type of construction workers who are required for building data centers who are seeing the biggest job gains:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vXWO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71a282a6-771e-49f8-84a1-ef5b966cd01a_1026x682.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vXWO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71a282a6-771e-49f8-84a1-ef5b966cd01a_1026x682.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vXWO!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71a282a6-771e-49f8-84a1-ef5b966cd01a_1026x682.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vXWO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71a282a6-771e-49f8-84a1-ef5b966cd01a_1026x682.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vXWO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71a282a6-771e-49f8-84a1-ef5b966cd01a_1026x682.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vXWO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F71a282a6-771e-49f8-84a1-ef5b966cd01a_1026x682.jpeg" width="662" height="440.0428849902534" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/how-will-ai-affect-the-us-labor-market">Goldman Sachs</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Construction workers&#8217; <em>real wages</em> have also risen since the middle of 2022:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p_T7!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F28846353-853e-4fe7-9615-6585b8955191_1320x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p_T7!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F28846353-853e-4fe7-9615-6585b8955191_1320x450.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p_T7!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F28846353-853e-4fe7-9615-6585b8955191_1320x450.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!p_T7!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F28846353-853e-4fe7-9615-6585b8955191_1320x450.png 1272w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>You might be tempted to think that this is a composition effect from Trump deporting the lowest-paid construction workers in 2025. But in fact, there has been a big jump in construction workers&#8217; wages relative to national average wages just this year:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U_uq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b4c9d3e-b23c-4732-b169-43c2c64a12bf_1320x450.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!U_uq!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9b4c9d3e-b23c-4732-b169-43c2c64a12bf_1320x450.png 424w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>These are all signs of healthy labor demand. </p><p>In fact, although estimates of the effect of the data center buildout on construction employment produce very different numbers, they all agree that it&#8217;s a significant positive impact. The state of Virginia, for example, produced the following numbers:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jc5C!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F271261fc-abb7-409c-ac02-e4dc56b68073_772x445.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jc5C!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F271261fc-abb7-409c-ac02-e4dc56b68073_772x445.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!jc5C!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F271261fc-abb7-409c-ac02-e4dc56b68073_772x445.jpeg 848w, 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://jlarc.virginia.gov/pdfs/reports/Rpt598.pdf">JLARC</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>And of course these are just the numbers <em>so far</em>; the data center buildout is accelerating, and <a href="https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/how-will-ai-affect-the-us-labor-market">Goldman estimates</a> that 500,000 new construction and trades jobs will have to be added by 2030 in order to sustain it. </p><p>So while you can argue that this boost to labor demand isn&#8217;t worth the costs of AI (whatever you think those are), we need to count it on the positive side of the ledger here.</p><h4>Data centers can be a huge tax windfall for state and local governments</h4><p>Jobs aren&#8217;t the only way that the economic benefits of data centers get spread to ordinary Americans. There&#8217;s also the tax system. Data centers pay property taxes, sales taxes, corporate taxes, various fees, and so on &#8212; <a href="https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/state/data-centers-taxation/">here&#8217;s a good explainer</a> from the Tax Foundation. All in all, depending on their policies, local and state governments can reap large windfalls from data centers:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6yzp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafe499c3-60c0-4760-a316-5bfcb7969aef_897x787.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6yzp!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafe499c3-60c0-4760-a316-5bfcb7969aef_897x787.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6yzp!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fafe499c3-60c0-4760-a316-5bfcb7969aef_897x787.jpeg 848w, 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/state/data-centers-taxation/">Tax Foundation</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Those taxes go to pay for local public goods, like roads, public transit, and parks. They go to pay for public services like education and health care. Those expenditures all tend to benefit regular people. This is from <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/technology/data-centers-backlash-loudoun-virginia.html">a story in the </a><em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/19/technology/data-centers-backlash-loudoun-virginia.html">New York Times</a> </em>about Loudoun County in Virginia:</p><blockquote><p>A convergence of early fiber internet access and fast-track zoning has made Loudoun the data center hub of the world&#8230;Two decades into its experiment, Loudoun has become a case study for the rest of the nation on how to make data centers pay off. Thanks to the proliferation of the warehouses, the quiet bedroom community 30 minutes outside Washington, D.C., has transformed into a tech destination with trophy schools and libraries, and freshly tarred roads.</p></blockquote><p>Now that doesn&#8217;t mean data centers are necessarily good for a city or state on net. There are real costs, too &#8212; electric power demands that put strain on the grid, nuisance noise, and so on. But the benefits are real, and they don&#8217;t come in the form of job creation. </p><p>And crucially, state and local governments can demand even more benefits whenever they want! They can raise taxes and fees &#8212; in fact, they can even raise them <em>after</em> a data center is already up and running, so that relocation to avoid higher taxes becomes less attractive of an option. </p><p>And before construction, they can demand <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-community-benefit-agreements-are-necessary-for-data-centers/">&#8220;community benefit&#8221; agreements</a> that are actually just additional taxes. Here&#8217;s what Jared Bernstein suggests:</p><blockquote><p>Such agreements should include reduced electric and water rates for the surrounding community, funding for the local infrastructure upgrades (roads, substations, water systems) these facilities require anyway, and substantial investment in the schools, parks, and public goods that make a host community better off for having said yes.</p></blockquote><p>Bernstein wants much more of this, of course, and better enforceability. But note that even as things stand, taxes and fees are substantial, and community benefits agreements are common. </p><h4>AI is sustaining the macroeconomy in the face of Trump&#8217;s chaos</h4><p>I spent my early blogging years supporting Paul Krugman in his epic quest to remind people that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggregate_demand">aggregate demand</a> is a real and important thing. But for whatever reason, Paul doesn&#8217;t mention the demand-side benefits of AI investment in his post. </p><p>When Donald Trump came into office, he did a bunch of things that should have clobbered the economy. He announced high tariffs on nearly all of America&#8217;s trading partners, then created massive uncertainty by walking some of these back, periodically announcing new ones, granting tons of exceptions, and striking opaque and confusing &#8220;deals&#8221;. On top of that, he deported large swaths of America&#8217;s workforce, visibly weakened the U.S. international alliance system, ran enormous deficits, and behaved in a lawless and corrupt manner that <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/this-is-called-capital-flight">caused people around the world to question</a> the long-term stability of the U.S. government. </p><p>All of this created <em>huge</em> amounts of policy uncertainty:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xiQq!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6550b163-2dee-444d-8ba5-6ee998f37b14_807x538.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xiQq!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6550b163-2dee-444d-8ba5-6ee998f37b14_807x538.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xiQq!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6550b163-2dee-444d-8ba5-6ee998f37b14_807x538.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xiQq!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6550b163-2dee-444d-8ba5-6ee998f37b14_807x538.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xiQq!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F6550b163-2dee-444d-8ba5-6ee998f37b14_807x538.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.policyuncertainty.com/">Policyuncertainty.com</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Uncertainty on this scale usually <a href="https://www.policyuncertainty.com/media/EPU_BBD_Mar2016.pdf">causes big economic problems</a>. Businesses can&#8217;t invest if they don&#8217;t know if the president of the United States is going to destroy their business model with an executive order tomorrow. All of this Trumpian chaos and meddling should have caused a visible negative demand shock.</p><p>But it didn&#8217;t, because just as Trump was trying his best to hit the American economy over the head with a stick, the AI boom came along and pushed in the opposite direction. AI technology itself is a positive <em>supply </em>shock, of course, but the data center buildout is a positive demand shock. </p><p>How big of a shock? It&#8217;s hard to say, because causal estimates of aggregate demand are inherently difficult. But it&#8217;s clear that the data center boom has made up a large percent of economic growth for Trump&#8217;s entire second term so far:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg" width="643" height="440.1867043847242" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MNaS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3125bec1-2580-4e23-a81d-f9caf82aba70_707x484.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: Bridgewater via <a href="https://www.derekthompson.org/p/this-is-how-the-ai-bubble-will-pop">Derek Thompson</a></figcaption></figure></div><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/jasonfurman/status/1971995367202775284&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Investment in information processing equipment &amp;amp; software is 4% of GDP.\n\nBut it was responsible for 92% of GDP growth in the first half of this year.\n\nGDP excluding these categories grew at a 0.1% annual rate in H1. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;jasonfurman&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Jason Furman&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/822302571888922632/6X-Xm966_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2025-09-27T17:48:28.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/G13vVg-XIAEpcJ-.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/7p1eAI1aAa&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:37,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:190,&quot;like_count&quot;:760,&quot;impression_count&quot;:121742,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Now as I mentioned, it&#8217;s hard to know whether we&#8217;d just be building something else instead if this boom wasn&#8217;t happening. Data center construction certainly <a href="https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/08/18/how-americas-ai-boom-is-squeezing-the-rest-of-the-economy">crowds out some other forms of economic activity</a>, by sucking up scarce labor, and by raising interest rates (which makes it harder to finance other projects). </p><p>But to believe that the AI boom <em>isn&#8217;t </em>having a big effect on aggregate demand would require some heroic assumptions. You&#8217;d have to assume <em>very </em>strong crowd-out. You&#8217;d have to assume that Trump&#8217;s tariffs and other irresponsible policies are having basically<em> no</em> effect on demand, so that there isn&#8217;t any negative shock in need of canceling out. You&#8217;d have to assume that &#8220;animal spirits&#8221; &#8212; i.e. corporate bullishness &#8212; basically don&#8217;t affect the business cycle. And so on. </p><p>I don&#8217;t think those assumptions are realistic. I think if you see one industry contributing a very large percentage to U.S. economic growth, your prior should be that it&#8217;s causing a positive demand shock. </p><p>And if so, that means that the AI boom is the only thing standing between countless regular Americans and Trump&#8217;s self-destructive chaos. According to Okun&#8217;s Law, shaving just 1 percentage point off of economic growth would throw almost a million Americans out of work. That would be bad for regular people. </p><p>This macroeconomic benefit is hidden; it&#8217;s the proverbial dog that didn&#8217;t bark. But it&#8217;s pretty significant. </p><h4>Americans use AI a lot, and they value it a lot</h4><p>So far, I&#8217;ve been talking about the benefits of the data center construction boom. But I should also mention the impact that AI technology is already having on <em>consumers</em>. Krugman&#8217;s post seems to treat AI and the data center buildout as synonymous, and jobs as the main (or only) way by which regular Americans might benefit from the new technology. But the truth is that AI is also something that lots of Americans already use, and seem to derive a lot of utility from. </p><p>By <a href="https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2024/sep/rapid-adoption-generative-ai">every measure</a> I <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AgentsOfAI/comments/1pawrju/ai_is_the_fastestadopted_technology_in_human/">can find</a>, AI has seen <a href="https://x.com/exencial_RP/status/2068218594689982501/">more rapid</a> household adoption than any other consumer technology in <a href="https://epochai.substack.com/p/after-the-chatgpt-moment-measuring">recorded history</a>. And what do Americans use AI for? <em>Everything. </em>This poll is from over a year ago, but already it showed the incredible diversity of use cases for consumer AI:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg" width="582" height="731.5482815057284" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!G4nv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b129e86-e20c-45ca-aece-579ba7d7eeae_1222x1536.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://apnorc.org/projects/young-adults-leading-the-way-in-ai-adoption/">AP</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Here&#8217;s a more recent poll, asking what people <em>regularly </em>use AI for, rather than what they&#8217;ve <em>ever </em>used it for:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3xbR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02244b0a-2cb2-40db-8af7-a2a6dff74ce9_610x757.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3xbR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02244b0a-2cb2-40db-8af7-a2a6dff74ce9_610x757.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3xbR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02244b0a-2cb2-40db-8af7-a2a6dff74ce9_610x757.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3xbR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02244b0a-2cb2-40db-8af7-a2a6dff74ce9_610x757.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3xbR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02244b0a-2cb2-40db-8af7-a2a6dff74ce9_610x757.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3xbR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02244b0a-2cb2-40db-8af7-a2a6dff74ce9_610x757.jpeg" width="462" height="573.3344262295082" 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2026/06/17/americans-and-ai-2026-chatbots-smart-devices-and-views-on-impact/">Pew</a></figcaption></figure></div><p><a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2026/08/25/from-diagnoses-to-treatments-why-americans-use-ai-chatbots-for-health/">Medical advice and diagnosis</a> has emerged as a particularly important consumer use case. But in general, Americans say chatbots make them more productive, informed, and creative:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg 848w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7_DZ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F153ce897-f8f6-4211-b6ce-ef2ad4be8518_632x641.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div 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fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2026/06/17/americans-and-ai-2026-chatbots-smart-devices-and-views-on-impact/">Pew</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>This does not mean Americans like AI overall; in fact, they&#8217;re <a href="https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2026/06/17/americans-and-ai-2026-chatbots-smart-devices-and-views-on-impact/">overwhelmingly negative</a> on the technology. They&#8217;re afraid it&#8217;ll take their jobs, and increasingly <a href="https://echeloninsights.substack.com/p/friday-findings-will-ai-produce-self">afraid it&#8217;ll kill them</a>. But there are real, substantial consumer benefits from AI that we shouldn&#8217;t ignore. </p><p>How substantial? In April of this year, <a href="https://digitaleconomy.stanford.edu/publication/what-is-generative-ai-worth/">Brynjolfsson et al.</a> used surveys to estimate a total annual consumer surplus of $172 billion in the United States. That&#8217;s more than the run rate revenue of <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-08-17/anthropic-revenue-run-rate-surpasses-65-billion-ahead-of-ipo">Anthropic </a>and <a href="https://www.axios.com/2026/09/29/scoop-openais-annual-recurring-revenue-nears-70b">OpenAI </a>combined, and certainly much much more than their combined profits would be even if they stopped spending anything on fixed costs right now. It&#8217;s about half of the annual profits of Nvidia.</p><p>So when Krugman says that &#8220;this is a technology of, by and for oligarchs, with hardly any of the benefits trickling down to regular Americans,&#8221; he&#8217;s just wrong. Just the consumer surplus alone is substantial. On top of that the data center boom is creating a significant amount of jobs, generating a significant amount of local and state tax revenue, and propping up the macroeconomy and the job market as a whole. </p><p>There are plenty of big problems with AI. Malicious use or accidents might <a href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/heres-how-were-all-going-to-die">wipe out our whole species</a> in the not-too-distant future. Job loss <a href="https://aleximas.substack.com/p/has-ai-impacted-the-labor-market?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;embedding_publication_id=35345">hasn&#8217;t been a big deal so far</a>, but it might eventually be huge. Cognitive weakness from overreliance on AI could affect our society in strange and negative ways that we have yet to even comprehend, much less reckon with. When you ask Americans why they hate AI, <a href="https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-public-record">these are the things they&#8217;ll tell you</a>. Anger at &#8220;oligarchs&#8221; monopolizing the wealth from AI doesn&#8217;t typically make the list, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a great way of framing the AI issue.</p><div><hr></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/what-the-ai-boom-is-doing-for-americans?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/what-the-ai-boom-is-doing-for-americans?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>I&#8217;m kind of annoyed by the use of &#8220;trickling down&#8221; to describe the broad benefits of an investment boom. Yes, businesses make investment decisions, but this is the case in every boom, and for economic growth in general. By this definition, pretty much all benefits in the entire economy &#8220;trickle down&#8221;, except perhaps for the tiny amount produced by worker-owned co-ops. </p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The second Trump presidency is a world-historic failure]]></title><description><![CDATA[How did Trump fumble so badly?]]></description><link>https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-second-trump-presidency-is-a</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-second-trump-presidency-is-a</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noah Smith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2026 08:47:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!vtKs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe161105e-6879-47d0-b401-feeac9f8b643_960x978.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Photo by The White House via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:President_Donald_J._Trump_oversees_Operation_Epic_Fury_at_Mar-a-Lago_%2855124355922%29_%28cropped%29.jpg">Wikimedia Commons</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>There&#8217;s a large market for &#8220;Trump is bad&#8221; posts. I wrote one of them back in May:</p><div class="digest-post-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;nodeId&quot;:&quot;7ee4b700-20d0-42b6-9bf9-7b8bf139e1d7&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;I get a lot of flak from progressives for being a &#8220;both sides&#8221; kind of commentator. I spend a fair amount of time criticizing leftist ideology and expounding on the very real failures of progressive governance, both of which have gotten much worse over the last decade. Yes, I support the Democrats, but that support is&quot;,&quot;cta&quot;:null,&quot;showBylines&quot;:true,&quot;showDescription&quot;:true,&quot;showImage&quot;:true,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;sm&quot;,&quot;isEditorNode&quot;:true,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Are you tired of the Trump era yet? &quot;,&quot;publishedBylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:8243895,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Noah Smith&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Econ blogger&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/89fd964a-586f-461a-9f5a-ea4587d45728_397x441.png&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false,&quot;bestseller_tier&quot;:10000}],&quot;post_date&quot;:&quot;2026-05-25T08:14:11.880Z&quot;,&quot;cover_image&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VD0B!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F570e6532-da6a-4b96-90b1-1174e88f0c60_1029x686.jpeg&quot;,&quot;cover_image_alt&quot;:null,&quot;cover_image_crop&quot;:null,&quot;canonical_url&quot;:&quot;https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/are-you-tired-of-the-trump-era-yet&quot;,&quot;section_name&quot;:null,&quot;video_upload_id&quot;:null,&quot;id&quot;:199131984,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;newsletter&quot;,&quot;reaction_count&quot;:964,&quot;comment_count&quot;:133,&quot;publication_id&quot;:35345,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Noahpinion&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!l14h!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04281755-2cd6-42e5-a496-e69153abebb2_281x281.png&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;youtube_url&quot;:null,&quot;show_links&quot;:null,&quot;feed_url&quot;:null}"></div><p>It&#8217;s easy to tune these posts out, for at least two reasons. One is partisanship &#8212; as a reader, I&#8217;m sure you know how hard it is to separate &#8220;Trump is bad&#8221; from &#8220;Trump made me mad&#8221;. The second is fatigue &#8212; you&#8217;ve heard the familiar litany of all of Trump&#8217;s outrages, and reading it one more time is both redundant and depressing. </p><p>Today I&#8217;m going to do something a little different, which is to ask: Why, exactly, has the second Trump presidency been such a failure? </p><h4>Trump is a failure in the eyes of the nation</h4><p>Before I do that, we should establish that in the eyes of the nation, Trump&#8217;s second presidency <em>has</em> been a failure, at least so far. His approval rating, going into the midterm election, is at historic lows:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/2103666284403491069&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;WSJ POLL - Presidential approval before the midterms \n\n&#128994; G.H.W. Bush 1990: 75%  \n&#128994; Clinton 1998: 66%  \n&#128994; G.W. Bush 2002: 64%  \n&#128993; Clinton 1994: 48%  \n&#128993; Obama 2010: 46%  \n&#128996; Trump 2018: 44%  \n&#128996; Biden 2022: 43%  \n&#128996; Obama 2014: 40%  \n&#128308; G.W. 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By comparison, he was at a \&quot;mere\&quot; -11.6 at this point in 2018. &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;NateSilver538&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Nate Silver&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1771254203358355456/BZFn0E-J_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-23T17:21:43.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HS6u-zjWcAA257a.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/BTBkCoF4gx&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:122,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:606,&quot;like_count&quot;:4280,&quot;impression_count&quot;:478257,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>America was mildly disapproving of Trump in his first term; now, only his base is staying loyal. And even that base is eroding. On the cost of living &#8212; one of the key issues in 2024, and likely to be a key issue in the midterms &#8212; <em>Republicans</em> now disapprove of Trump:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/2102105468889895127&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Trump&#8217;s approval among Republicans on handling the cost of living:\n\n&#128994; Approve: 44% (-7)\n&#128996; Disapprove: 51%\n\nFirst time his net approval on the issue has been negative among Republicans.\n\nReuters/Ipsos | Sept. 17&#8211;20&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;IAPolls2022&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;InteractivePolls&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1436720319641817088/gEJZWcv1_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-21T18:39:33.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/media/HSwtvzkXYAAhdsL.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/Jt2BFGmXat&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;&#128202; IPSOS/REUTERS - Trump Approval \n\nPres. Trump \nApprove: 32% (-3)\nDisapprove: 66% (+4)\n\nHis lowest approval by Ipsos in either term\n&#8212;&#8212;\n17% approve on cost of living\n\n9/17-20 | 1,277 A \nhttps://t.co/ILSAuUtWdN&quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;IAPolls2022&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;InteractivePolls&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1436720319641817088/gEJZWcv1_normal.jpg&quot;},&quot;reply_count&quot;:15,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:105,&quot;like_count&quot;:473,&quot;impression_count&quot;:72463,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>Hilariously, a modest but growing number of people who voted for Trump in 2024 now <a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/the-trump-voters-telling-pollsters">say they never voted for him</a>. </p><p>And despite the widespread belief that Trump&#8217;s cult of personality dominates the GOP, Republicans now tend to say they support the party rather than the president himself:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3WLE!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bac41c1-ac03-42be-bc46-728ecc0f28f2_1238x543.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3WLE!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bac41c1-ac03-42be-bc46-728ecc0f28f2_1238x543.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3WLE!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7bac41c1-ac03-42be-bc46-728ecc0f28f2_1238x543.jpeg 848w, 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Prediction markets are increasingly sure that Dems will <a href="https://kalshi.com/markets/controlh/house-winner/controlh-2026">take the House</a>, and they now also give Dems a better-than-even chance of winning the <em>Senate</em>, despite a very difficult map:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FN9k!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1239b43-d22a-4c22-a0c5-1d496c1cf237_1117x596.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!FN9k!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa1239b43-d22a-4c22-a0c5-1d496c1cf237_1117x596.jpeg 424w, 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://kalshi.com/markets/controls/senate-winner/controls-2026">Kalshi</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>Polls showing Senate races <a href="https://x.com/mattyglesias/status/2105782841112244400">moving toward the Dems</a> might be overstating things, but polls have ended up <em>understating</em> Democratic support in special elections since Trump returned to power. Trump has resorted to desperately promising <a href="https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2106218692379922539">$5000 checks to every U.S. citizen</a> if Republicans win the midterms. But so far, these wild bribe attempts are falling decidedly flat &#8212; in fact, they&#8217;re <a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-dividend-5k-5000-check-republicans-cc80644e3168acd31c892129fb849436">actively driving voters away</a>.</p><p>All this is all the more remarkable because Democrats themselves are in disarray. The party has torn itself apart over Israel/Palestine, and the public is still deeply skeptical of Dems&#8217; &#8220;woke&#8221; progressive ideology. But whereas Americans still trusted Republicans more on many issues in 2025, now they tend to trust <em>Democrats</em> on <a href="https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/2026-midterm-elections-september-2026/">issues like the economy and immigration</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Td1Z!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33e4a2d0-283b-4cbd-8902-e517f58554b9_937x582.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Td1Z!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33e4a2d0-283b-4cbd-8902-e517f58554b9_937x582.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Td1Z!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33e4a2d0-283b-4cbd-8902-e517f58554b9_937x582.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Td1Z!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33e4a2d0-283b-4cbd-8902-e517f58554b9_937x582.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Td1Z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33e4a2d0-283b-4cbd-8902-e517f58554b9_937x582.jpeg 1456w" sizes="auto, 100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Td1Z!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F33e4a2d0-283b-4cbd-8902-e517f58554b9_937x582.jpeg" width="692" height="429.8228388473853" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" class="icon-noB79L"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image buttonBase-GK1x3M"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2 icon-noB79L"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/the-least-popular-war-since-vietnam">Lakshya Jain</a></figcaption></figure></div><p>The GOP was more popular than the Dems as of one year ago; now <a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/the-least-popular-war-since-vietnam">that has reversed</a>.</p><p>Even some of Trump&#8217;s most prominent allies are now distancing themselves from the president. Here&#8217;s Peter Thiel, one of the godfathers of the Tech Right:</p><div class="twitter-embed" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://x.com/pitdesi/status/2103917081913872840&quot;,&quot;full_text&quot;:&quot;Thiel on Trump:\n\n&#8220;There are a lot of things I got wrong... was crazier than I thought. It was more dangerous than I thought.&#8221;\n\n&#8220;You wish they&#8217;d appointed more competent people.&#8221;\n\n&#8220;administration is&#8230; staffed by not very smart but very loyal people&#8221; &quot;,&quot;username&quot;:&quot;pitdesi&quot;,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Sheel Mohnot&quot;,&quot;profile_image_url&quot;:&quot;https://pbs.substack.com/profile_images/1998468623392788480/dS-ftLeP_normal.jpg&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2026-09-26T18:38:15.000Z&quot;,&quot;photos&quot;:[{&quot;img_url&quot;:&quot;https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x-PG!,w_1028,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_progressive:steep/l_play_button_usfui2,w_88,e_colorize:0/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F__ss-rehost__tw-video-preview-13_2103544745943535616.jpg&quot;,&quot;link_url&quot;:&quot;https://t.co/eWsnGI9l4e&quot;}],&quot;quoted_tweet&quot;:{},&quot;reply_count&quot;:622,&quot;retweet_count&quot;:881,&quot;like_count&quot;:6367,&quot;impression_count&quot;:3785917,&quot;expanded_url&quot;:null,&quot;video_url&quot;:&quot;https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2103544745943535616/vid/avc1/1280x720/h9DVY1AEF4eiZfIA.mp4&quot;,&quot;video_preview_media_key&quot;:&quot;13_2103544745943535616&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true}" data-component-name="Twitter2ToDOM"></div><p>I can&#8217;t <em>rule out</em> the possibility that someday we&#8217;ll all look back on Trump&#8217;s second presidency as a success. Perhaps winning the AI race will prove to be so much more important than everything else that Trump&#8217;s decision to stall AI regulation ends up swamping everything else he ever does. </p><p>But I don&#8217;t find it very useful to indulge in this kind of &#8220;too early to tell&#8221; speculation. The blunt fact is that Trump&#8217;s second term has already failed in the court of public opinion. This is an incredible, world-historic failure. And it didn&#8217;t have to be that way &#8212; Trump simply made a bunch of avoidable errors, for a mix of ideological and personal reasons.</p><h4>Trump didn&#8217;t have to fail</h4>
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